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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby london blue 2 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:00 pm

Great challenge, apparently he's been watching glen Johnsons top ten tackles....
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby Blue Since 76 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:24 pm

Terrible tackle, but he'll only get banned if the media make a fuss. As we'll probably be short on highlights tonight, since we've already been on, it's doubtful it'll even get shown.

That's the real problem with football - the media and their favourite managers (or those with a column - Redknapp) basically get to decide what the FA need to look at. Mario last year got banned because the media picked up 'Arry's complaints. If that had been against Wigan, chances are nothing would have happened.
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby Arjan Van Schotte » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:36 pm

to be fair to webb, the tv angle from behind him showed that he genuinely couldn't see it.

i'd be amazed if he claims he did see it, and it was nfa.

i think whelan will get a ban for that.
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby Mikhail Chigorin » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:05 pm

london blue 2 wrote:Great challenge, apparently he's been watching glen Johnsons top ten tackles....


....or taking tips from Paul Scholes.
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby Beefymcfc » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:08 pm

Arjan Van Schotte wrote:to be fair to webb, the tv angle from behind him showed that he genuinely couldn't see it.

i'd be amazed if he claims he did see it, and it was nfa.

i think whelan will get a ban for that.

If he's asked to look at it again he's got to say he didn't see it so therefore got the judgement wrong. If he doesn't and says that it was a fair and legal challenge then he should hang up his whistle forthwith.

A retrospective ban is the only option.
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby Mase » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:21 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:If he's asked to look at it again he's got to say he didn't see it so therefore got the judgement wrong. If he doesn't and says that it was a fair and legal challenge then he should hang up his whistle forthwith.

A retrospective ban is the only option.


He'll say whatever the FA tell him to say.
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby Beefymcfc » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:25 pm

Mase wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:If he's asked to look at it again he's got to say he didn't see it so therefore got the judgement wrong. If he doesn't and says that it was a fair and legal challenge then he should hang up his whistle forthwith.

A retrospective ban is the only option.


He'll say whatever the FA tell him to say.

He won't need to, the FA will say it for him.
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby Beefymcfc » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:37 pm

Various quotes from Oatcake:
It didn't look too bad from where I was sitting, but I've just seen it again on tv and if he doesn't get a retrospective 3 match ban I'll eat my own scrotal sack.

He basically jumped in the air and stamped on him with 2 feet. Horrible tackle. I knew what he'd done at the time and was surprised he wasn't sent off because it was a definite red.

it was shocking......shocking he didnt break is leg!!

There is one who said that he'd get away with it because there was no contact!

Most of them are in agreement though, deserves a 3 match ban and very lucky to stay on the pitch. I wouldn't call it luck, I'd call it Webb'esque.
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby Arjan Van Schotte » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:38 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:Various quotes from Oatcake:
It didn't look too bad from where I was sitting, but I've just seen it again on tv and if he doesn't get a retrospective 3 match ban I'll eat my own scrotal sack.

He basically jumped in the air and stamped on him with 2 feet. Horrible tackle. I knew what he'd done at the time and was surprised he wasn't sent off because it was a definite red.

it was shocking......shocking he didnt break is leg!!

There is one who said that he'd get away with it because there was no contact!

Most of them are in agreement though, deserves a 3 match ban and very lucky to stay on the pitch. I wouldn't call it luck, I'd call it Webb'esque.


even though webb clearly didn't see it?
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby sheblue » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:48 pm

It was a bad one, Garcia lucky not to have suffered a serious injury. Thank god we don't have to play stoke anymore this season.
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby Beefymcfc » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:53 pm

Arjan Van Schotte wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:Various quotes from Oatcake:
It didn't look too bad from where I was sitting, but I've just seen it again on tv and if he doesn't get a retrospective 3 match ban I'll eat my own scrotal sack.

He basically jumped in the air and stamped on him with 2 feet. Horrible tackle. I knew what he'd done at the time and was surprised he wasn't sent off because it was a definite red.

it was shocking......shocking he didnt break is leg!!

There is one who said that he'd get away with it because there was no contact!

Most of them are in agreement though, deserves a 3 match ban and very lucky to stay on the pitch. I wouldn't call it luck, I'd call it Webb'esque.


even though webb clearly didn't see it?

Can you prove that assertion?

He obviously missed quite a few things so you are probably right. He did however see Kolarov touch a Stoke player and give him a yellow. Amazed he missed the crunching tackle on Zabs (?) ankle as well, he needs to get to Specsavers.
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby Beefymcfc » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:01 pm

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From the first view I'd say Zabba could've caused Webb to be unsighted (also shows him approx 45 degree onto the tackle) but from the second he's well behind the play. I've seen it from another view and Webb seems to have a perfect angle to see the lift and 2 footed stamp down. Does a player normally jump and stamp on the ball?
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby Arjan Van Schotte » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:05 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:Can you prove that assertion?



only mr webb can "prove" that. But it is my opinion. You're implying that webb "chose" note to see - i'm suggesting that from the angle shown on itv, directly behind webb, it was just a mass of bodies, so i'm personally not surprised he didn't send him off.

i would, however, be surprised if he didn't report it after seeing other angles.
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby Beefymcfc » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:09 pm

Arjan Van Schotte wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:Can you prove that assertion?



only mr webb can "prove" that. But it is my opinion. You're implying that webb "chose" note to see - i'm suggesting that from the angle shown on itv, directly behind webb, it was just a mass of bodies, so i'm personally not surprised he didn't send him off.

i would, however, be surprised if he didn't report it after seeing other angles.

I seen a similar angle mate and it was very clear that Webb had a great view from it. What I'm suggesting is that Webb decided to turn a blind eye, taking a Blatter type of stance like he did in the WC final.

Whelan could have gone just for intent, never mind actually landing on Javi.
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby Arjan Van Schotte » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:12 pm

Beefymcfc wrote: What I'm suggesting is that Webb decided to turn a blind eye,


i disagree, purely on the basis that he'll mention it in his report. and if he doesn't, he's a massive bellend.
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:12 pm

Webb had a perfectly clear view of it. He may not have seen Whelan launch himself at Garcia but he saw enough to send him off. Had it been a rag player that had happened to they'd already be serving their ban.
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby Arjan Van Schotte » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:13 pm

Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:Had it been a rag player that had happened to they'd already be serving their ban.


oh ffs, i give up. obsessed.
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby ZonaZooBlu » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:21 pm

Webb didn't even give the free-kick...the ball left Garcias foot and didn't change direction and then he is clearly hurt. Webb is bent.. what did he think had happened to Garcia!!!!
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby Beefymcfc » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:21 pm

Arjan Van Schotte wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote: What I'm suggesting is that Webb decided to turn a blind eye,


i disagree, purely on the basis that he'll mention it in his report. and if he doesn't, he's a massive bellend.

I agree with that. He's big enough with the powers that be to admit he didn't see it/got it wrong. This game was about a sort of giant killing, knocking the Premier League champions/former FA Cup winners out and the revenge story that would go with it. We know that referees receive orders before their games, this for me was one of those times.

Even before the game they were showing the different upbringings of the managers which in all honesty came across well, it did have a tinge of rags against riches.

No tin-foil hat mate, just a honest opinion.
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby dazby » Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:51 pm

ZonaZooBlu wrote:Webb didn't even give the free-kick...the ball left Garcias foot and didn't change direction and then he is clearly hurt. Webb is bent.. what did he think had happened to Garcia!!!!


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