Scott Sinclair

[Beeks]

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballna ... -31696411/

[blues2win]

Sinclair transfer no nearer completion and AJ transfer complete. Surely Swansea aren't thinking we're desperate and trying to screw us for more money. I'll reserve judgement till next week but if the window ends the way it looks I hope he's sacked soon.

[Beefymcfc]

Simply, Mancini doesn't fancy AJ. Sinclair is far a better bet for him.

Work rate and 90 minutes of play makes him the man.

Sinclair transfer no nearer completion and AJ transfer complete. Surely Swansea aren't thinking we're desperate and trying to screw us for more money. I'll reserve judgement till next week but if the window ends the way it looks I hope he's sacked soon.

Who, Mancini?

[Slim]

You don't need to be english to complete the quota (thats against eu law) you need to have been trained in england for 4 years before a certain age

i.e.

Weiss filled a quota for the CL of being club home grown
AJ filled a quota for the CL & PL of being domestic home grown

3 years, before the age of 21(this is weird, because it includes the season they turn 21).

Also any player who has completed two years at a club and is currently 20 or younger does not have to be registered in order to play in European competition.

Domestically anyone under the age of 21 doesn't have to be registered.

[phips]

why did we sign him? seriously..

it looked almost crystal clear that he was a replacement for AJ. he's a winger and should provide
width..but Bobby doesn't use wingers. he uses wing backs.

i honestly think that it was purely to replace the loss of an englishman (AJ) to keep our quota
up. i literally can't think of anything.

[kinkylola]

why did we sign him? seriously..

it looked almost crystal clear that he was a replacement for AJ. he's a winger and should provide
width..but Bobby doesn't use wingers. he uses wing backs.

i honestly think that it was purely to replace the loss of an englishman (AJ) to keep our quota
up. i literally can't think of anything.

I think it was down that we failed to acquire our first tier targets ... de rossi/martinez, sanchez/hazard ... probably more to that list ... and we ended up with javi garcia and scott sinclair, which seem to be AT BEST our 3rd choice in each category. To me it's clear that this is what precipitated the fight between Marwood and Mancini.

I back Mancini and trust him to do the job, but I had this nagging worry at the time, and it has persisted a bit ... Mancini wanted those players in order to be able to play his system the way he wants. His fight with Marwood was about not being able to get the players to accomplish this, and now he's playing his new systems to prove the point that we cannot compete (at least in europe) with these systems with these players. Seems silly, and I'm sure he's more professional than that ... but he is a stubborn bugger.

[phips]

so you're telling me that a club that has invested so highly in our squad would buy third choice players? isn't there someone outside of Mancini to be unbiased and say, "hey roberto, we know you didn't get Hazard and Martinez but these guys just aren't good enough and/or worth the price"

I'm actually curious. cuz it seems like Sinclair especially and maybe Garcia are definitely not good enough for our
club given our current squad and lofty ambitions...maybe they will improve and be good enough, but then maybe not.

i really don't see this club as buying for the sake of buying at this point..yet Sinclair (and Richard Wright) is here and
it definitely looks like Mancini doesn't favor him at all. plus, in all the Inside City's since he's arrived I always see him keeping
to himself and not really conversing. it doesn't look like he fits skill wise or personalty wise or w/e else...

[kinkylola]

so you're telling me that a club that has invested so highly in our squad would buy third choice players? isn't there someone outside of Mancini to be unbiased and say, "hey roberto, we know you didn't get Hazard and Martinez but these guys just aren't good enough and/or worth the price"

I'm actually curious. cuz it seems like Sinclair especially and maybe Garcia are definitely not good enough for our
club given our current squad and lofty ambitions...maybe they will improve and be good enough, but then maybe not.

i really don't see this club as buying for the sake of buying at this point..yet Sinclair (and Richard Wright) is here and
it definitely looks like Mancini doesn't favor him at all. plus, in all the Inside City's since he's arrived I always see him keeping
to himself and not really conversing. it doesn't look like he fits skill wise or personalty wise or w/e else...

Well, all I'm saying is that I think it is pretty well known that we were after hazard, after sanchez, after martinez and after de rossi. We didn't get any of those players. Only after it was known we didn't get those players, that we hear about garcia and sinclair.

I have no idea how things work in city's backroom, but I do believe that Mancini was not in charge of transfers. It might be that Mancini submitted lists, or maybe just some individual players, maybe he asked for certain player types and relied on scouting reports to come up with player profiles that Marwood/Mancini decided on ... no idea. We do know that Mancini was bent out of shape enough to go to the media about Marwood shitting the bed in terms of signings, leads me to believe the players coming in were not what he wanted at all.

Maicon and Nasti get games ... over established players. Garcia and Sinclair? they have not featured in an important game in any way ... although garcia might have been included in a game because of injury? I can't remember clearly. That's evidence to me that Mancini had nothing to do with bringing them in, and he considers it a failure. I dunno, maybe he signed off on a potential transfer list never dreaming we'd go so far down the pecking order ... like I said ... I have absolutely no idea how things are run, that's just my opinion, which I feel is supported by some of what is going on.

[kinkylola]

so you're telling me that a club that has invested so highly in our squad would buy third choice players? isn't there someone outside of Mancini to be unbiased and say, "hey roberto, we know you didn't get Hazard and Martinez but these guys just aren't good enough and/or worth the price"

I'm actually curious. cuz it seems like Sinclair especially and maybe Garcia are definitely not good enough for our
club given our current squad and lofty ambitions...maybe they will improve and be good enough, but then maybe not.

i really don't see this club as buying for the sake of buying at this point..yet Sinclair (and Richard Wright) is here and
it definitely looks like Mancini doesn't favor him at all. plus, in all the Inside City's since he's arrived I always see him keeping
to himself and not really conversing. it doesn't look like he fits skill wise or personalty wise or w/e else...

Well, all I'm saying is that I think it is pretty well known that we were after hazard, after sanchez, after martinez and after de rossi. We didn't get any of those players. Only after it was known we didn't get those players, that we hear about garcia and sinclair.

I have no idea how things work in city's backroom, but I do believe that Mancini was not in charge of transfers. It might be that Mancini submitted lists, or maybe just some individual players, maybe he asked for certain player types and relied on scouting reports to come up with player profiles that Marwood/Mancini decided on ... no idea. We do know that Mancini was bent out of shape enough to go to the media about Marwood shitting the bed in terms of signings, leads me to believe the players coming in were not what he wanted at all.

Maicon and Nasti get games ... over established players. Garcia and Sinclair? they have not featured in an important game in any way ... although garcia might have been included in a game because of injury? I can't remember clearly. That's evidence to me that Mancini had nothing to do with bringing them in, and he considers it a failure. I dunno, maybe he signed off on a potential transfer list never dreaming we'd go so far down the pecking order ... like I said ... I have absolutely no idea how things are run, that's just my opinion, which I feel is supported by some of what is going on.

To address your other point, I agree that Sinclair is probably not good enough to be a starter for this club ... from watching him at swansea, I did think that he could give us some depth though. I'm not so sure now, but I think it's hardly fair to judge him based on how little he's played. Life isn't always fair though and he really does need to take his chances better.

Garcia, I think does have the talent to be good enough, despite his speed limitations. He may be over-awed right now, not adapted to the league. The difference in speed in the Prem coming from Portugal is immense, as is the quality of every single player on the field. Some players adapt instantly and hit the ground running, other players take longer ... I don't think quickness in adapting is necessarily an indicator of what their final skill/ability/performance level will be. Of course, it's always nice when someone hits the ground running ... Vinny certainly didn't remember.

These players need time, and if they haven't shown us something by the end of the year, then it's time to think ... I'd still like to see sinclair and garcia around next season with a full pre-season and (for garcia) a better understanding of the league.

I don't think that we will have these types of problems in the future, with Bergi and Soriano in the mix now.

[phips]

yeah for sure. I agree about Garcia and needing time to adapt due to differences in style of play and the country.

i just really like Mancini is over Sinclair and i don't think he will make more than 15 appearances this season for us
(he's already made 6)

i do think that Maicon is rather poor at defending and he wouldn't get (as many) games if Micah and Zaba and Clichy and AK
are all healthy, which 3 are not at this point.

I see Sinclair being loaned out in Janaury

[DoomMerchant]

so proud that you two have each written like 4,000 words about a player who can't even get any time on the pitch in a game that matters. jesus...don't they do the equivalent of Civil War reenactments around where either of you two live?

He's clearly not rated, a bag of wank, or perhaps....wait for it....both.

who do i blame? The leatherface.

Cheers

[kinkylola]

so proud that you two have each written like 4,000 words about a player who can't even get any time on the pitch in a game that matters. jesus...don't they do the equivalent of Civil War reenactments around where either of you two live?

He's clearly not rated, a bag of wank, or perhaps....wait for it....both.

who do i blame? The leatherface.

Cheers

haha .. they've cut down on the civil war reenactments in Taiwan recently, don't know why ... it's a shame! I get why your messages are always so direct though, death is only a door away in Florida.

wank and not rated ... is looking about right, hopefully just the later, or who will buy him?

[DoomMerchant]

haha .. they've cut down on the civil war reenactments in Taiwan recently, don't know why ... it's a shame! I get why your messages are always so direct though, death is only a door away in Florida.

wank and not rated ... is looking about right, hopefully just the later, or who will buy him?

Arrry wants him. On the cheap no doubt. Probably on a free cuz yknow he's Arry and he rates 'im. But he's not tapping him up. No siree.

[phips]

so proud that you two have each written like 4,000 words about a player who can't even get any time on the pitch in a game that matters. jesus...don't they do the equivalent of Civil War reenactments around where either of you two live?

im glad you're so proud and i only wish i could be as snarky as you