Do they really want to be here?

[Original Dub]

Do any of us actually want to be at the companies we work for? We do it for a reason and that is to earn money, nothing else. If another company came in for me to do the same job for treble my current wages i would be off like a shot as long as it benefitted me in other ways ie: the family was happy to move etc.
I would still have the same attitude at that new company as i did at the old one and that would be to do the same job to the best of my abilities and hopefully reap the rewards they promised.
We would leave our jobs if we were miserable, unhappy or under-used. Footballers are the same but on a shit load more money than us.

Exactly!

I've always said the same when commitment issues and "how much they love us" questions come up. It's their job, just like we have ours. We have different levels of commitment to our work places but truth is if someone came in offering to triple my wages for same job, I'd be off. That's why I work, to earn money. I don't love (although I don't hate my job either, it's alright) my job but I'm delighted to hear my job praised sometimes.

Sitting on the bench is same as when you've been transferred to less important assignments at work. You still get your pay check but you also know that at some stage they are going to try and get rid of you. Same as with Petrov.

World leader in your area of work is looking for a director and your named is being touted. Same as with Robinho.

You've moved to other company to take up pretty similar job but you were formerly employed by bigger company. You were forced to leave because you couldn't get along with boss. Same as with Adebayor.

You had bit of a backstabbing collegue who was brown nosing the boss and in the end of the day you were fighting for the same spot with this feller and the boss gave it to him. So you thought "fuck it " and left to another company. Same as with Toure.

You've won in lottery and you got shitloads of money. You are considering whether you keep on working especially if that big deal you are working on will come off next summer. Maybe sailing in Caribbean with the family? Same as with Tevez.

And so on and so on. They don't love us or the club particularily, it's just their job.

I am two ways on that mate and thanks for turning a shite topic into something to talk about lol. I think some players do like playing but I agree its rare to find a player who likes playing for their team. Players like Gerrard for example is a rarity I think he really does love it their and loves every game. Though I do think its very rare in the modern game. Their is just too much money involved... Maybe this should be made into another topic? as it would be actually something worth talking about?

I think NQDP just took the OP and broke it down to debate it. You really should have done the same thing instead of abusing the OP Vhero.

As for your comment on Gerrard, we'll see how much he loves it if Liverpool don't finish top four this season.

They are ALL mercanaries in some form or another and there is a price for everyone, so if a player didn't move before because he 'loves the club', its because the people looking for him didn't offer enough. Simple as.

Money makes the world go round. That doesn't mean that the professional footballer does not love what he does though. I have no problem with the players mentioned above, as long as they are playing an important part in driving us forward.

[ENIAM NAM]

Do any of us actually want to be at the companies we work for? We do it for a reason and that is to earn money, nothing else. If another company came in for me to do the same job for treble my current wages i would be off like a shot as long as it benefitted me in other ways ie: the family was happy to move etc.
I would still have the same attitude at that new company as i did at the old one and that would be to do the same job to the best of my abilities and hopefully reap the rewards they promised.
We would leave our jobs if we were miserable, unhappy or under-used. Footballers are the same but on a shit load more money than us.

Exactly!

I've always said the same when commitment issues and "how much they love us" questions come up. It's their job, just like we have ours. We have different levels of commitment to our work places but truth is if someone came in offering to triple my wages for same job, I'd be off. That's why I work, to earn money. I don't love (although I don't hate my job either, it's alright) my job but I'm delighted to hear my job praised sometimes.

Sitting on the bench is same as when you've been transferred to less important assignments at work. You still get your pay check but you also know that at some stage they are going to try and get rid of you. Same as with Petrov.

World leader in your area of work is looking for a director and your named is being touted. Same as with Robinho.

You've moved to other company to take up pretty similar job but you were formerly employed by bigger company. You were forced to leave because you couldn't get along with boss. Same as with Adebayor.

You had bit of a backstabbing collegue who was brown nosing the boss and in the end of the day you were fighting for the same spot with this feller and the boss gave it to him. So you thought "fuck it " and left to another company. Same as with Toure.

You've won in lottery and you got shitloads of money. You are considering whether you keep on working especially if that big deal you are working on will come off next summer. Maybe sailing in Caribbean with the family? Same as with Tevez.

And so on and so on. They don't love us or the club particularily, it's just their job.

I am two ways on that mate and thanks for turning a shite topic into something to talk about lol. I think some players do like playing but I agree its rare to find a player who likes playing for their team. Players like Gerrard for example is a rarity I think he really does love it their and loves every game. Though I do think its very rare in the modern game. Their is just too much money involved... Maybe this should be made into another topic? as it would be actually something worth talking about?

Now you are pushing your luck!!

Their are so many things I could comment on, but their are simply not enough hours in the day!

[LookMumImOnMCF.net]

The "Do we like for the companies we work for?" argument is a week one. There's a big difference between football tems and punpushing companies. Plus you don't have to like the company to work hard at your job.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

....and meanwhile...the Finnish water polo team are practising in the Helsinki subway.

Shouldn't you be down there with your mop and bucket...commitment...huh!

HAHA!

You might be the Pelé of taxi drivers but I'm Georgios Samaras of engineers!

[ant london]

The "Do we like for the companies we work for?" argument is a week one. There's a big difference between football tems and punpushing companies. Plus you don't have to like the company to work hard at your job.

Is it though?

I actually don't think it is..... I'm sure there are those who would think that someone earning several hundred grand a year, who is still young and who works "penpushing" should be "committed" to his company....but in likelihood he will act just in the same way as the man who works driving a stacker truck or the lad who's a footballer when it comes to his motivations and his "commitment to the cause"

The numbers are different but the basic factors are identical

[bluej]

Do any of us actually want to be at the companies we work for? We do it for a reason and that is to earn money, nothing else. If another company came in for me to do the same job for treble my current wages i would be off like a shot as long as it benefitted me in other ways ie: the family was happy to move etc.
I would still have the same attitude at that new company as i did at the old one and that would be to do the same job to the best of my abilities and hopefully reap the rewards they promised.
We would leave our jobs if we were miserable, unhappy or under-used. Footballers are the same but on a shit load more money than us.

Exactly!

I've always said the same when commitment issues and "how much they love us" questions come up. It's their job, just like we have ours. We have different levels of commitment to our work places but truth is if someone came in offering to triple my wages for same job, I'd be off. That's why I work, to earn money. I don't love (although I don't hate my job either, it's alright) my job but I'm delighted to hear my job praised sometimes.

Sitting on the bench is same as when you've been transferred to less important assignments at work. You still get your pay check but you also know that at some stage they are going to try and get rid of you. Same as with Petrov.

World leader in your area of work is looking for a director and your named is being touted. Same as with Robinho.

You've moved to other company to take up pretty similar job but you were formerly employed by bigger company. You were forced to leave because you couldn't get along with boss. Same as with Adebayor.

You had bit of a backstabbing collegue who was brown nosing the boss and in the end of the day you were fighting for the same spot with this feller and the boss gave it to him. So you thought "fuck it " and left to another company. Same as with Toure.

You've won in lottery and you got shitloads of money. You are considering whether you keep on working especially if that big deal you are working on will come off next summer. Maybe sailing in Caribbean with the family? Same as with Tevez.

And so on and so on. They don't love us or the club particularily, it's just their job.

Exactly.

You can extend that to youth team players as well. I'm currently in a student placement position for 12 months. I earn considerably less than everyone I work with, despite doing the same (and sometimes better) job than them. But I know that if I knuckle down, work hard to impress then I am likely to be offered a position within this (or a similar) company upon graduating with a good wage and prospects.

[Nick]

I keep seeing quote after quote from players who either felt forced out of their old club, or want to leave us for pastures new and I just can't help thinking that our money has allowed us to 'hijack' several high profile players - but do they really want to be here?

Robinho

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 95,00.html

Tevez

http://www.thespoiler.co.uk/index.php/2 ... -world-cup

Adebayor

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/ ... 12,00.html

Toure

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 06,00.html

Petrov

Probably more to do with his lack of 1st team action, but he is definitely disillusioned.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... _city_exit

Lescott & Barry

They haven't actually been quoted. They were both very settled at their old clubs, but obviously moved to us for the money.

I know the press can manufacture these things, but all the links have direct quotes.

Of course all the players are being professional, but maybe we just need that bit more from them. As a squad, they certainly have the potential to finish top 4, but they will really have to want it, every one of them.

Mate this is EXACTLY what I was just thinking, with ADE / TOURE AND TEVEZ anyway. Just I read the latest of Ade/Toure Arsenal arse licking article and im quite sick of hearing how they loved/ wanted to stay at arsenal. That coupled with reports from you guys that saw the match on saturday that ''Ade didnt look interested'' it kind of raises the question. I hope Tevez was seriously mis-quoted as that article was scary and he finally showed his class at Anfield.

Lescott and barry I really believe want to be here, maybe Barry's motives are questionable but he was amazing for us early on andhopefully lescott is turning the corner. I think with Lescott; its due to the fact he wants to be a success so much and the price tag and pressure has weighed him down. Although the ''im playing regularly, im in the England team, what more could i achieve?'' quote he made the other week pissed me off. Im sure hes aware of his bad games for us now though. I saw an interview on BBC where they actually told him how shit Hansen thought he played against Burnley!

[eastlands-lostboy]

The higher up the ladder you are in any walk of life, the more shite will be thrown at you. We have to expect this attention now. Its funny that poor players are never unsettled are they. They never make waves just keep their heads down and take the cash. A good clear out might make the better players think and feel more positive about everything.

[gillie]

Do any of us actually want to be at the companies we work for? We do it for a reason and that is to earn money, nothing else. If another company came in for me to do the same job for treble my current wages i would be off like a shot as long as it benefitted me in other ways ie: the family was happy to move etc.
I would still have the same attitude at that new company as i did at the old one and that would be to do the same job to the best of my abilities and hopefully reap the rewards they promised.
We would leave our jobs if we were miserable, unhappy or under-used. Footballers are the same but on a shit load more money than us.

I hate my boss...I am self employed.

I luv your boss lol.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

I have been asked about applying to X Country in the past. They earn around seven grand a year more than us. But it was based in Leeds and their working terms and conditions are far looser than ours and it would mean probably missing between six and ten home games a season. at that point I probably wouldn't bother with my season ticket, as it wouldn't be worth it. And then for all the extra cash, I'd be losing one of my great loves in life, and what's the point if you can't spend the dosh on the things you enjoy?
Where does this fit into the company loyalty/extra bunce analogy?

[ronk]

I have been asked about applying to X Country in the past. They earn around seven grand a year more than us. But it was based in Leeds and their working terms and conditions are far looser than ours and it would mean probably missing between six and ten home games a season. at that point I probably wouldn't bother with my season ticket, as it wouldn't be worth it. And then for all the extra cash, I'd be losing one of my great loves in life, and what's the point if you can't spend the dosh on the things you enjoy?
Where does this fit into the company loyalty/extra bunce analogy?

You're loyal and you love your job. Your customers should adore you for it. They do, right?

[Nick]

You cant really compare football to company jobs IMO. Most of these players (such as Ade and Toure) have been quoted saying that they played football 24/7 growing up in Africa with no shoes on etc . etc. and Im sure I've read from one of them that they would play for free. I think it was Ade - How ironic !!!! Thats why I cant understand it when you see say Ade Or Tevez not 100% getting into it. Tevez breaths footbal, the fuck would he retire for!

Bluej - Out of interest what kind of placement are you doing? Im in my final year of uni and applyin for full time grad jobs. Thing is I want to stay in Manc and most of the grad jobs are in London (or other random shitty towns!)

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

You cant really compare football to company jobs IMO. Most of these players (such as Ade and Toure) have been quoted saying that they played football 24/7 growing up in Africa with no shoes on etc . etc. and Im sure I've read from one of them that they would play for free. I think it was Ade - How ironic !!!! Thats why I cant understand it when you see say Ade Or Tevez not 100% getting into it. Tevez breaths footbal, the fuck would he retire for!

See there's a big difference, I played football 24/7 when I was growing up and I still play. But that's my hobby. I skip practise when I don't feel up to it and when my knees hurt I might not go to a game. The point is I don't HAVE to do any of that.

It's very very very different when the hobby changes to work. Your bones ache every morning but you still have to go to practise. Your wife is ill at home with kids but hey, you do have that European game and have to stay away from home for few days. Every transfer window you have to worry about uprooting your family and moving elsewhere. And so on and so on. Very much different thing to having a kick about with mates after work and then having a pint at pub.

It's your job and while different sort of job to 9 to 5 office job, they are still human beings and think about same pro's and con's of their jobs just as we all do. It would be extremely naive to think they do it for adoration of 47k people. That's nice thing in your work for sure and makes you try that little bit harder when at work but certainly not the reason why they get out of the bed.

[Rag_hater]

You cant really compare football to company jobs IMO. Most of these players (such as Ade and Toure) have been quoted saying that they played football 24/7 growing up in Africa with no shoes on etc . etc. and Im sure I've read from one of them that they would play for free. I think it was Ade - How ironic !!!! Thats why I cant understand it when you see say Ade Or Tevez not 100% getting into it. Tevez breaths footbal, the fuck would he retire for!

See there's a big difference, I played football 24/7 when I was growing up and I still play. But that's my hobby. I skip practise when I don't feel up to it and when my knees hurt I might not go to a game. The point is I don't HAVE to do any of that.

It's very very very different when the hobby changes to work. Your bones ache every morning but you still have to go to practise. Your wife is ill at home with kids but hey, you do have that European game and have to stay away from home for few days. Every transfer window you have to worry about uprooting your family and moving elsewhere. And so on and so on. Very much different thing to having a kick about with mates after work and then having a pint at pub.

It's your job and while different sort of job to 9 to 5 office job, they are still human beings and think about same pro's and con's of their jobs just as we all do. It would be extremely naive to think they do it for adoration of 47k people. That's nice thing in your work for sure and makes you try that little bit harder when at work but certainly not the reason why they get out of the bed.

I hope youre a bit wrong there.
Personally I would like to think that footballers do give a bit of a toss about how, where and for whom they perform,and its more than just a job for them.Players wanting to play for their countries gives a little indication of the mentality of some.
I would like to think that they do really want to be here,whether they think that they can do better is a matter for the individual.
Also I would hope that a player stepping out in front of thousands of fans would not be immune to the feelings of the people he is there to entertain.
If you have a job that you enjoy doing and pleasing people is part of that job, then its is surely beneficial to both parties to be happy in being where you want to be.
I agree footballers are mercenaries to some degree but I'm sure a bit of job satisfaction comes into the equation before they sign for us and suggests to me that they do want to be here.

[bluej]

Bluej - Out of interest what kind of placement are you doing? Im in my final year of uni and applyin for full time grad jobs. Thing is I want to stay in Manc and most of the grad jobs are in London (or other random shitty towns!)

I work at SSL International near the Trafford Centre mate. To cut a long story short I work in IT. My placement is part of my course, as I'm on a sandwich course, so I go back to uni for my final year next september.