Top four and no cup or top six and a cup?

[BlueinBosnia]

What a lot of people are forgetting is that 4th place doesn't guarantee a group place. Due to our UEFA correlation ranking, I'm guessing we'd be an unseeded team in the draw for non-champions. This year, that would have meant we'd have faced one of:

Sporting Club
Panathanaikos/Atletico Madrid
Lyon
Arsenal
Stuttgart

over 2 legs. Lose that (even on away goals), and we're down to Europa. In this case, I'd far rather win a cup, which would leave us in this situation anyway.

[edge275]

What a lot of people are forgetting is that 4th place doesn't guarantee a group place. Due to our UEFA correlation ranking, I'm guessing we'd be an unseeded team in the draw for non-champions. This year, that would have meant we'd have faced one of:

Sporting Club
Panathanaikos/Atletico Madrid
Lyon
Arsenal
Stuttgart

over 2 legs. Lose that (even on away goals), and we're down to Europa. In this case, I'd far rather win a cup, which would leave us in this situation anyway.

It's ridiculous it's like that.

It's just a ploy so all the traditionally bigger clubs are always towards the end.

It all comes down to money, the sponsors wouldn't be happy if two lesser teams made it to the final, a bit like Monaco and Porto did.

[Slim]

What a lot of people are forgetting is that 4th place doesn't guarantee a group place. Due to our UEFA correlation ranking, I'm guessing we'd be an unseeded team in the draw for non-champions. This year, that would have meant we'd have faced one of:

Sporting Club
Panathanaikos/Atletico Madrid
Lyon
Arsenal
Stuttgart

over 2 legs. Lose that (even on away goals), and we're down to Europa. In this case, I'd far rather win a cup, which would leave us in this situation anyway.

It's ridiculous it's like that.

It's just a ploy so all the traditionally bigger clubs are always towards the end.

It all comes down to money, the sponsors wouldn't be happy if two lesser teams made it to the final, a bit like Monaco and Porto did.

What they are trying to do is avoid getting 4 English teams in the last 8, and 3 in the semi finals again.

[CITYSTEVEDON]

WEMBLEY WEMBLEY WERE THE FAMOUS MAN CITY AND WE ARE GOING TO WEMBLEY. top 6

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Cup without a shadow of doubt. I'd actually take relegation and cup over Mickey Mouse league spot.

You can't be serious?

Of course I am. Premier League is no be all end all. Who's going to remember some decent finishes among generations to come? No one, that's who. However silverware stays with us forever. We had two 5th spot finishes little over 15 years ago yet no one speaks about those anymore. 76 league cup does keep geeting mention though.

[Feed The Goat]

I'll take a trophy this season please. I'm 27 years old and like lots of others never seen us win a domestic trophy and I think that represents the next step up from where we are right now. Carling cup first then FA cup in may and if we happen to finish 4th happy days

[edge275]

Cup without a shadow of doubt. I'd actually take relegation and cup over Mickey Mouse league spot.

You can't be serious?

Of course I am. Premier League is no be all end all. Who's going to remember some decent finishes among generations to come? No one, that's who. However silverware stays with us forever. We had two 5th spot finishes little over 15 years ago yet no one speaks about those anymore. 76 league cup does keep geeting mention though.

Quarter of a billion spent and relegated. I think people would mention it mate ;)

[ENIAM NAM]

Cup without a shadow of doubt. I'd actually take relegation and cup over Mickey Mouse league spot.

You can't be serious?

Of course I am. Premier League is no be all end all. Who's going to remember some decent finishes among generations to come? No one, that's who. However silverware stays with us forever. We had two 5th spot finishes little over 15 years ago yet no one speaks about those anymore. 76 league cup does keep geeting mention though.

You lose credibility by the day!!!!

[Dronny]

Cup without a shadow of doubt. I'd actually take relegation and cup over Mickey Mouse league spot.

You can't be serious?

Of course I am. Premier League is no be all end all. Who's going to remember some decent finishes among generations to come? No one, that's who. However silverware stays with us forever. We had two 5th spot finishes little over 15 years ago yet no one speaks about those anymore. 76 league cup does keep geeting mention though.

Nurse, nurse whats the time? I appear to have missed my meds?

Agree with Antii - apart from the relegation bollox - but there will be no mention in years to come on the Roll of Honour for finishing 4th in the league.....BUT win the League Cup so we can stick it right up the scums noses when we play them in April....Yes fucklin please, yes fucklin please.

[ENIAM NAM]

Cup without a shadow of doubt. I'd actually take relegation and cup over Mickey Mouse league spot.

You can't be serious?

Of course I am. Premier League is no be all end all. Who's going to remember some decent finishes among generations to come? No one, that's who. However silverware stays with us forever. We had two 5th spot finishes little over 15 years ago yet no one speaks about those anymore. 76 league cup does keep geeting mention though.

Nurse, nurse whats the time? I appear to have missed my meds?

Agree with Antii - apart from the relegation bollox - but there will be no mention in years to come on the Roll of Honour for finishing 4th in the league.....BUT win the League Cup so we can stick it right up the scums noses when we play them in April....Yes fucklin please, yes fucklin please.

You honestly think winning the league cup will allow us to stick it right up the scums noses? Fulcking deluded! How many scums to you have to verbally battle with on a daily basis?

[edge275]

Cup without a shadow of doubt. I'd actually take relegation and cup over Mickey Mouse league spot.

You can't be serious?

Of course I am. Premier League is no be all end all. Who's going to remember some decent finishes among generations to come? No one, that's who. However silverware stays with us forever. We had two 5th spot finishes little over 15 years ago yet no one speaks about those anymore. 76 league cup does keep geeting mention though.

Nurse, nurse whats the time? I appear to have missed my meds?

Agree with Antii - apart from the relegation bollox - but there will be no mention in years to come on the Roll of Honour for finishing 4th in the league.....BUT win the League Cup so we can stick it right up the scums noses when we play them in April....Yes fucklin please, yes fucklin please.

You honestly think winning the league cup will allow us to stick it right up the scums noses? Fulcking deluded! How many scums to you have to verbally battle with on a daily basis?

Finishing 4th would concern then more than us winning the Carling Cup or FA Cup. Tottenham, Middlesborough and Portsmouth have won it in recent times.

[shawzy]

Cup without a shadow of doubt. I'd actually take relegation and cup over Mickey Mouse league spot.

You can't be serious?

Of course I am. Premier League is no be all end all. Who's going to remember some decent finishes among generations to come? No one, that's who. However silverware stays with us forever. We had two 5th spot finishes little over 15 years ago yet no one speaks about those anymore. 76 league cup does keep geeting mention though.

Nurse, nurse whats the time? I appear to have missed my meds?

Agree with Antii - apart from the relegation bollox - but there will be no mention in years to come on the Roll of Honour for finishing 4th in the league.....BUT win the League Cup so we can stick it right up the scums noses when we play them in April....Yes fucklin please, yes fucklin please.

You honestly think winning the league cup will allow us to stick it right up the scums noses? Fulcking deluded! How many scums to you have to verbally battle with on a daily basis?

They mock us about all this 33yrs winning fookall bollox.The Carling Cup will end all of that ..Its silverware for christ sake and oh boy do we need it more than ever..The chumps league can wait another season for me..We are not ready for it..Lets end the mocking and win summat :-)#

[Dronny]

Cup without a shadow of doubt. I'd actually take relegation and cup over Mickey Mouse league spot.

You can't be serious?

Of course I am. Premier League is no be all end all. Who's going to remember some decent finishes among generations to come? No one, that's who. However silverware stays with us forever. We had two 5th spot finishes little over 15 years ago yet no one speaks about those anymore. 76 league cup does keep geeting mention though.

Nurse, nurse whats the time? I appear to have missed my meds?

Agree with Antii - apart from the relegation bollox - but there will be no mention in years to come on the Roll of Honour for finishing 4th in the league.....BUT win the League Cup so we can stick it right up the scums noses when we play them in April....Yes fucklin please, yes fucklin please.

You honestly think winning the league cup will allow us to stick it right up the scums noses? Fulcking deluded! How many scums to you have to verbally battle with on a daily basis?

What's your point ENIAM NAM, cos I'm from down Sarf I haven't had to put up with shit from the red inbreds?

As most folks know they breed like rabbits down here, so pretty much since the late 60's I've had the dubious distinction of being the odd one out through schooldays and beyond.

So deluded??? Yep, deluded and why don't you come down here and enjoy the delusion when we win our first Cup in 33 years.

[Dronny]

You can't be serious?[/quote]

Of course I am. Premier League is no be all end all. Who's going to remember some decent finishes among generations to come? No one, that's who. However silverware stays with us forever. We had two 5th spot finishes little over 15 years ago yet no one speaks about those anymore. 76 league cup does keep geeting mention though.[/quote]

Nurse, nurse whats the time? I appear to have missed my meds?

Agree with Antii - apart from the relegation bollox - but there will be no mention in years to come on the Roll of Honour for finishing 4th in the league.....BUT win the League Cup so we can stick it right up the scums noses when we play them in April....Yes fucklin please, yes fucklin please.[/quote]

You honestly think winning the league cup will allow us to stick it right up the scums noses? Fulcking deluded! How many scums to you have to verbally battle with on a daily basis?[/quote]

Finishing 4th would concern then more than us winning the Carling Cup or FA Cup. Tottenham, Middlesborough and Portsmouth have won it in recent times.[/quote]

Can't wait to see the look on the their faces when they have to take down that "No top four finishes for 30 odd years"

[ENIAM NAM]

Dronny, I had no idea whether you were from Salford, Stockport, or down Sarf, but I just can't believe that you think that winning the league cup would give us bragging rights over utd fans.

Yes, a banner might have to come down, but if I started bragging about winning the league cup once to my rag mates they would piss themselves.

IMO, finishing in the top 4, with the players this would give us access to with our owners investment would be the best thing that could happen to us. The sooner this could happen the better, given all the restrictions platini is talking about. Once we are established in the Champions League, believe me, the trophies will follow.

[Dronny]

Dronny, I had no idea whether you were from Salford, Stockport, or down Sarf, but I just can't believe that you think that winning the league cup would give us bragging rights over utd fans.

Yes, a banner might have to come down, but if I started bragging about winning the league cup once to my rag mates they would piss themselves.

IMO, finishing in the top 4, with the players this would give us access to with our owners investment would be the best thing that could happen to us. The sooner this could happen the better, given all the restrictions platini is talking about. Once we are established in the Champions League, believe me, the trophies will follow.

Fair point mate, but tbf, I and no doubt thousands of us, have had to put up with them bragging after last Saturday. So, how about we beat them in the LC or FA Cup next year!!

I wouldn't get to het up about Michel, where there's a means there's way and I'm sure we would not roll over when we get to the head table.

For we are ravenous and we will feast as you say!!

[King Kev]

I NEED to see us win a cup! I would wet myself and wouldn't care who saw it!

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

In what way would finishing 4th give us bragging rights over rags that winning the league cup wouldn't. Those arrogant knobs wouldn't give us any respect for either.

However seeing City win something would stay on with me forever. That would be for us, the long suffering fans.

Champion's League, well what can I say, most people know I don't rate the competition much as I prefered old European Cup. Finishing fourth would be fantastic achievement and would show we are on the right course. However let's be honest here, we need to learn to walk before we can run and we aren't ready to challenge for Champion's League next season.

Personally I feel that we need to advance gradually. To win something would be first step, then try and have a crack at league title and only after that are we ready to take on European giants seriously. But again, that first cup is the key step for me.

And maybe I should've clarified that the relegation comment was said in jest as there's obviously no chance we'd be relegated. I suppose I said to show how much winnin something would mean to me.

[Im_Spartacus]

If we finish top 4, that means we are good enough to win a cup.

Therefore on balance I think I would like to finish top 4, and the pots should follow soon after

I think there is a fair to middling chance of both this year after the league cup draw today

[BlueinBosnia]

Champion's League, well what can I say, most people know I don't rate the competition much as I prefered old European Cup. Finishing fourth would be fantastic achievement and would show we are on the right course. However let's be honest here, we need to learn to walk before we can run and we aren't ready to challenge for Champion's League next season.

On this, I totally agree. Remember, Leeds and Newcastle both made it to the Champions' League.