The hughes Thread

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I fully understand....and Antti...why do I just NOT believe you?

That was a load of bollocks and you and I both know it. Your hatred of Hughes drove every initial argument you put forward. It was the motor factor behind your opposition to him. It was the reason you posted Lie after lie about him and it was hypocritical to say the least.

...and once again I know it and so do you.....understand????

Lie? What have I lied about him? And yes, I hate Mark Hughes just like all the cunts in rag hall of fame, I don't think that's any big secret.

But I understand that you are gutted that he could never prove right all the theories (see, I didn't call you a lier) you put forward for him.

[mcfcyounggun]

mark hughes was never good enough to manage us, he was never going to be good im very happy hes gone bring in mourinho , cook asap

[BobKowalski]

My comment was less about Hughes then about your statement that Hughes taking on the City job was probably the biggest step out of a comfort zone made by any manager in the history of football. I mean seriously. Manager of small midtable NW PL club takes on job of bigger midtable PL club. Like that has never happened before and the Fat Sam comparison is on the money. As I said what will define Hughes career is what he does next.

You know exactly what I meant by that comment & you know exactly what MH represented to some people & what he had to deal with. You've purposely ignored it again & must think everyone reading that is stupid if they can't see it. I honestly don't understand why you're even bothering to try & argue the point. The continuing comments directed towards him on here are proof that his appointment wasn't a routine one.

Of all the ex players in the history of football that could take the City job, only K**ne, Cant*** or Nev**** would be a more controversial choice. It was the football equivalent of Bin Laden becoming a Rabbi. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it, why bother to pretend otherwise? Anyhow he's gone now, you don't have to suffer the pain of watching him anymore, why not just let it go?

I have let go. Which is why I said I felt for the guy because the sacking clearly hurt and why like previous City managers I will take a passing interest in what he does next. Equally a few on here have not let go as they mope around wishing he was back and conjouring up fantasies that 'we might have won a cup' not to mention 'what he had to deal with' - like there was a sizeable section of fans calling for his head during games or chanting 'sack the red cunt' from day 1. He took stick when we had poor results just as Mancini took stick for getting knocked out of the FA Cup or gets stick for winning games but with a poor performance. That just goes with territory and is not a qualification for official martyrdom.

The fact that some people couldn't stand Hughes because of his past connections would not have mattered if Hughes had delivered where it counted. There are some fans who will give Mancini an equally hard time for equally flimsy reasons and if we get Mourinho in the summer some will take against him as well. Life is harsh and people are wankers. It was ever thus and always will be.

[btajim]

Interesting Jim, where will Hughes go next? Looking at the state of clubs and his previous assignments, I can see him taking over from Steve Bruce. Sunderland don't mind spending a bit of money but have brought in plenty of dross (Quantity rather Quality) since they got back in the Prem. At least Hughes would use their money wisely and would get them in a decent position.

Shame if it was to happen though, 'cos Quinney would go down in my estimations. Keane and then Bruce may be a coincidence, however if he's going for trips, then there's something seriously wrong!

Sunderland have surprised me this season. If their poor form carries on then they could be an outside bet for the 3rd relegation spot. All it takes is for Wolves or someone to get a run together and The Mackems are looking over their shoulders. It'll be a shame for Niall Quinn because he's a honourable Football Man.

If you look at our last few Managers as Eriksson, Pearce and Keegan then you'll see that none of them have gone on to thrive in their next Jobs. Sven buried himself at Notts County following his disaster at Mexico, Pearce is a member of the England backroom Team and Keegan made a gaffe by returning to Newcastle following several seasons of nothing. Hughes will most definitely buck the trend, IMHO.

A RAG reliably informs me that Bruce and Hughes never really saw eye to eye as Team Mates. Hughes replacing Bruce at Sunderland will be ironic.

[Ted Hughes]

My comment was less about Hughes then about your statement that Hughes taking on the City job was probably the biggest step out of a comfort zone made by any manager in the history of football. I mean seriously. Manager of small midtable NW PL club takes on job of bigger midtable PL club. Like that has never happened before and the Fat Sam comparison is on the money. As I said what will define Hughes career is what he does next.

You know exactly what I meant by that comment & you know exactly what MH represented to some people & what he had to deal with. You've purposely ignored it again & must think everyone reading that is stupid if they can't see it. I honestly don't understand why you're even bothering to try & argue the point. The continuing comments directed towards him on here are proof that his appointment wasn't a routine one.

Of all the ex players in the history of football that could take the City job, only K**ne, Cant*** or Nev**** would be a more controversial choice. It was the football equivalent of Bin Laden becoming a Rabbi. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it, why bother to pretend otherwise? Anyhow he's gone now, you don't have to suffer the pain of watching him anymore, why not just let it go?

I have let go. Which is why I said I felt for the guy because the sacking clearly hurt and why like previous City managers I will take a passing interest in what he does next. Equally a few on here have not let go as they mope around wishing he was back and conjouring up fantasies that 'we might have won a cup' not to mention 'what he had to deal with' - like there was a sizeable section of fans calling for his head during games or chanting 'sack the red cunt' from day 1. He took stick when we had poor results just as Mancini took stick for getting knocked out of the FA Cup or gets stick for winning games but with a poor performance. That just goes with territory and is not a qualification for official martyrdom.

The fact that some people couldn't stand Hughes because of his past connections would not have mattered if Hughes had delivered where it counted. There are some fans who will give Mancini an equally hard time for equally flimsy reasons and if we get Mourinho in the summer some will take against him as well. Life is harsh and people are wankers. It was ever thus and always will be.

I think we'd've beaten the rags but that's purely my opinion. I am however just as entitled to it as you are & you have no evidence to say I'm wrong, we'll never know the answer to that.
For the most part though, I was responding to a remark about him 'staying in his comfort zone' not making a martyr out of him or criticising Mancini or anything else. You do not go to a club where everyone hates you if you're staying in a comfort zone. You know that as does everyone else but for some reason you choose to argue about it. I don't know why.

[BobKowalski]

My comment was less about Hughes then about your statement that Hughes taking on the City job was probably the biggest step out of a comfort zone made by any manager in the history of football. I mean seriously. Manager of small midtable NW PL club takes on job of bigger midtable PL club. Like that has never happened before and the Fat Sam comparison is on the money. As I said what will define Hughes career is what he does next.

You know exactly what I meant by that comment & you know exactly what MH represented to some people & what he had to deal with. You've purposely ignored it again & must think everyone reading that is stupid if they can't see it. I honestly don't understand why you're even bothering to try & argue the point. The continuing comments directed towards him on here are proof that his appointment wasn't a routine one.

Of all the ex players in the history of football that could take the City job, only K**ne, Cant*** or Nev**** would be a more controversial choice. It was the football equivalent of Bin Laden becoming a Rabbi. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it, why bother to pretend otherwise? Anyhow he's gone now, you don't have to suffer the pain of watching him anymore, why not just let it go?

I have let go. Which is why I said I felt for the guy because the sacking clearly hurt and why like previous City managers I will take a passing interest in what he does next. Equally a few on here have not let go as they mope around wishing he was back and conjouring up fantasies that 'we might have won a cup' not to mention 'what he had to deal with' - like there was a sizeable section of fans calling for his head during games or chanting 'sack the red cunt' from day 1. He took stick when we had poor results just as Mancini took stick for getting knocked out of the FA Cup or gets stick for winning games but with a poor performance. That just goes with territory and is not a qualification for official martyrdom.

The fact that some people couldn't stand Hughes because of his past connections would not have mattered if Hughes had delivered where it counted. There are some fans who will give Mancini an equally hard time for equally flimsy reasons and if we get Mourinho in the summer some will take against him as well. Life is harsh and people are wankers. It was ever thus and always will be.

I think we'd've beaten the rags but that's purely my opinion. I am however just as entitled to it as you are & you have no evidence to say I'm wrong, we'll never know the answer to that.
For the most part though, I was responding to a remark about him 'staying in his comfort zone' not making a martyr out of him or criticising Mancini or anything else. You do not go to a club where everyone hates you if you're staying in a comfort zone. You know that as does everyone else but for some reason you choose to argue about it. I don't know why.

Because I don't actually think a majority of fans hated him because of his manu connections. A minority yes but the vast majority no. Some were concerned about the football that would be played etc but joining a club where everyone hates him? No not by a long way. I think Fat Sam was hated more be the Newcastle fans then Hughes ever was by City fans. Forums such as this and BM showed a lot of support for Hughes in polls that were ran, especially this season. When he started there was a lot of support for the idea of making City strong physically and mentally and his teams at Blackburn were cited as an example of what Hughes could bring to City. I remember it all been pretty positive stuff to be honest. Perhaps we just view or remember it differently and that is why I do not regard Hughes managing City as such a bold move.

[Ted Hughes]

My comment was less about Hughes then about your statement that Hughes taking on the City job was probably the biggest step out of a comfort zone made by any manager in the history of football. I mean seriously. Manager of small midtable NW PL club takes on job of bigger midtable PL club. Like that has never happened before and the Fat Sam comparison is on the money. As I said what will define Hughes career is what he does next.

You know exactly what I meant by that comment & you know exactly what MH represented to some people & what he had to deal with. You've purposely ignored it again & must think everyone reading that is stupid if they can't see it. I honestly don't understand why you're even bothering to try & argue the point. The continuing comments directed towards him on here are proof that his appointment wasn't a routine one.

Of all the ex players in the history of football that could take the City job, only K**ne, Cant*** or Nev**** would be a more controversial choice. It was the football equivalent of Bin Laden becoming a Rabbi. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it, why bother to pretend otherwise? Anyhow he's gone now, you don't have to suffer the pain of watching him anymore, why not just let it go?

I have let go. Which is why I said I felt for the guy because the sacking clearly hurt and why like previous City managers I will take a passing interest in what he does next. Equally a few on here have not let go as they mope around wishing he was back and conjouring up fantasies that 'we might have won a cup' not to mention 'what he had to deal with' - like there was a sizeable section of fans calling for his head during games or chanting 'sack the red cunt' from day 1. He took stick when we had poor results just as Mancini took stick for getting knocked out of the FA Cup or gets stick for winning games but with a poor performance. That just goes with territory and is not a qualification for official martyrdom.

The fact that some people couldn't stand Hughes because of his past connections would not have mattered if Hughes had delivered where it counted. There are some fans who will give Mancini an equally hard time for equally flimsy reasons and if we get Mourinho in the summer some will take against him as well. Life is harsh and people are wankers. It was ever thus and always will be.

I think we'd've beaten the rags but that's purely my opinion. I am however just as entitled to it as you are & you have no evidence to say I'm wrong, we'll never know the answer to that.
For the most part though, I was responding to a remark about him 'staying in his comfort zone' not making a martyr out of him or criticising Mancini or anything else. You do not go to a club where everyone hates you if you're staying in a comfort zone. You know that as does everyone else but for some reason you choose to argue about it. I don't know why.

Because I don't actually think a majority of fans hated him because of his manu connections. A minority yes but the vast majority no. Some were concerned about the football that would be played etc but joining a club where everyone hates him? No not by a long way. I think Fat Sam was hated more be the Newcastle fans then Hughes ever was by City fans. Forums such as this and BM showed a lot of support for Hughes in polls that were ran, especially this season. When he started there was a lot of support for the idea of making City strong physically and mentally and his teams at Blackburn were cited as an example of what Hughes could bring to City. I remember it all been pretty positive stuff to be honest. Perhaps we just view or remember it differently and that is why I do not regard Hughes managing City as such a bold move.

When Hughes took the City job, he didn't have polls to go off, all he had were memories of City fans shouting swearing & giving him v signs. The fact that a small majority of us wanted to give him a chance AFTER he'd took the job is irrelevant. If you ever went to a City game when Hughes played, he was the Devil to City fans. We hated his guts. He knew that & yet still took the job. I can't think of many examples of a similar hated figure taking on such a job.

Whatever he gets accused of I'm simply not accepting City as being a comfort zone for Mark Hughes.

[Rag_hater]

When Hughes took the City job, he didn't have polls to go off, all he had were memories of City fans shouting swearing & giving him v signs. The fact that a small majority of us wanted to give him a chance AFTER he'd took the job is irrelevant. If you ever went to a City game when Hughes played, he was the Devil to City fans. We hated his guts. He knew that & yet still took the job. I can't think of many examples of a similar hated figure taking on such a job.

Whatever he gets accused of I'm simply not accepting City as being a comfort zone for Mark Hughes.[/quote]













I think that the much improved contract Frank offered Hughes would have dispelled any fears or misgivings Hughes might have had regarding his past and the dislike of him felt, still,by some City fans.
I think he knew he could take the job with us without having to change much from his comfort zone and having a modicum of success would be enough to appease his employers the media and some fans.
I dont think he took a big risk in taking the job with us.
He has done alright out of us.
Maybe his rep and definately his bank balance , have benefitted.

[Original Dub]

Rag Hater - why do you think his rep has improved?

[Rag_hater]

Rag Hater - why do you think his rep has improved?

I dont really know if it has.
Like others have said , his next job will probably be more of an indicatipon.
I dont think we have done him any harm though.And he has shown that given oodles of money he can buy some half decent players.He is not scared of spending.

[dazby]

His rep will have improved because he was the victim. His sacking would be considered by many as being unfair. He'll be deserving of being worth another chance elsewhere which he is more than entitled to. If Strachan were to get the chop at Boro he would be an ideal replacement. I know it is a step down but I'm sure he could do a lot with them.

[Ted Hughes]

[quote="Rag_hater"]I think he knew he could take the job with us without having to change much from his comfort zone and having a modicum of success would be enough to appease his employers the media and some fans.
I dont think he took a big risk in taking the job with us.
quote]

Based on how fairly Sven was treated previously by those employers I presume? He was sat there watching Sven squirming through the tour of Thailand knowing he was about to be sacked thinking 'Thakisin seems like a good bloke to work for, I'll be right in my comfort zone there especially with all those City fans behind me'. Jesus H Christ!

I can't believe how absolutely unreasonable people have been with Hughes. It's the only reason I've argued his case over the past years, it does my fucking head in. I don't even fucking care about him, I thought he did ok & deserved to continue for a while longer that's all but the absolute shite that people post about him winds me up.

[The Man In Blue]

I can't believe how absolutely unreasonable people have been with Hughes. It's the only reason I've argued his case over the past years, it does my fucking head in. I don't even fucking care about him, I thought he did ok & deserved to continue for a while longer that's all but the absolute shite that people post about him winds me up.

YES TED


fucking hell my thoughts exactly.

[Rag_hater]

I think he knew he could take the job with us without having to change much from his comfort zone and having a modicum of success would be enough to appease his employers the media and some fans.
I dont think he took a big risk in taking the job with us.
quote]

Based on how fairly Sven was treated previously by those employers I presume? He was sat there watching Sven squirming through the tour of Thailand knowing he was about to be sacked thinking 'Thakisin seems like a good bloke to work for, I'll be right in my comfort zone there especially with all those City fans behind me'. Jesus H Christ!

I can't believe how absolutely unreasonable people have been with Hughes. It's the only reason I've argued his case over the past years, it does my fucking head in. I don't even fucking care about him, I thought he did ok & deserved to continue for a while longer that's all but the absolute shite that people post about him winds me up.

Thought he did ok and deserved to continue a bit longer seems to suggest to me that a small amount of success was quite adequate in the eyes of some.A modicum of success I'd say.
And if he was watching what was happening in Thailand I'm sure he knew the kind of person Frank was and what our club had to offer.Surely he wasn't conned into it.If he thought Frank was such a bad person why did he sign the contract while he was still in charge.
Winds me up the shit come out about clueless.
He had plenty of time,money,support from the fans and board and still failed miserably.

[Ted Hughes]

I think he knew he could take the job with us without having to change much from his comfort zone and having a modicum of success would be enough to appease his employers the media and some fans.
I dont think he took a big risk in taking the job with us.
quote]

Based on how fairly Sven was treated previously by those employers I presume? He was sat there watching Sven squirming through the tour of Thailand knowing he was about to be sacked thinking 'Thakisin seems like a good bloke to work for, I'll be right in my comfort zone there especially with all those City fans behind me'. Jesus H Christ!

I can't believe how absolutely unreasonable people have been with Hughes. It's the only reason I've argued his case over the past years, it does my fucking head in. I don't even fucking care about him, I thought he did ok & deserved to continue for a while longer that's all but the absolute shite that people post about him winds me up.

Thought he did ok and deserved to continue a bit longer seems to suggest to me that a small amount of success was quite adequate in the eyes of some.A modicum of success I'd say.
And if he was watching what was happening in Thailand I'm sure he knew the kind of person Frank was and what our club had to offer.Surely he wasn't conned into it.If he thought Frank was such a bad person why did he sign the contract while he was still in charge.
Winds me up the shit come out about clueless.
He had plenty of time,money,support from the fans and board and still failed miserably.

Where did I say he was conned? I'm saying the opposite; he knew he was entering into an unsure situation but went for it anyway the exact opposite of entering a comfort zone like he's been accused of.

YOU'RE WOUND UP ABOUT PEOPLE'S OPINIONS OF HUGHES?!! HE'S BEEN FUCKING SACKED, HE'S GONE, NEVER TO RETURN. THIS IS A HUGHES THREAD. IF IT WINDS YOU UP PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT HIM WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ON IT?!!

[john68]

Don't take the bait Ted.
I happen to agree with you entirely.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I think he knew he could take the job with us without having to change much from his comfort zone and having a modicum of success would be enough to appease his employers the media and some fans.
I dont think he took a big risk in taking the job with us.
quote]

Based on how fairly Sven was treated previously by those employers I presume? He was sat there watching Sven squirming through the tour of Thailand knowing he was about to be sacked thinking 'Thakisin seems like a good bloke to work for, I'll be right in my comfort zone there especially with all those City fans behind me'. Jesus H Christ!

I can't believe how absolutely unreasonable people have been with Hughes. It's the only reason I've argued his case over the past years, it does my fucking head in. I don't even fucking care about him, I thought he did ok & deserved to continue for a while longer that's all but the absolute shite that people post about him winds me up.

Thought he did ok and deserved to continue a bit longer seems to suggest to me that a small amount of success was quite adequate in the eyes of some.A modicum of success I'd say.
And if he was watching what was happening in Thailand I'm sure he knew the kind of person Frank was and what our club had to offer.Surely he wasn't conned into it.If he thought Frank was such a bad person why did he sign the contract while he was still in charge.
Winds me up the shit come out about clueless.
He had plenty of time,money,support from the fans and board and still failed miserably.

Where did I say he was conned? I'm saying the opposite; he knew he was entering into an unsure situation but went for it anyway the exact opposite of entering a comfort zone like he's been accused of.

YOU'RE WOUND UP ABOUT PEOPLE'S OPINIONS OF HUGHES?!! HE'S BEEN FUCKING SACKED, HE'S GONE, NEVER TO RETURN. THIS IS A HUGHES THREAD. IF IT WINDS YOU UP PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT HIM WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ON IT?!!

THAT was the point of this topic. So that people could freely discuss anything and everything to do with him. That's why this topic is here and will remain here until we have properly moved on. This isn't here to wind people up either way, if someone do NOT want to talk about him then they need to stay away from this topic.

[Ted Hughes]

I think he knew he could take the job with us without having to change much from his comfort zone and having a modicum of success would be enough to appease his employers the media and some fans.
I dont think he took a big risk in taking the job with us.
quote]

Based on how fairly Sven was treated previously by those employers I presume? He was sat there watching Sven squirming through the tour of Thailand knowing he was about to be sacked thinking 'Thakisin seems like a good bloke to work for, I'll be right in my comfort zone there especially with all those City fans behind me'. Jesus H Christ!

I can't believe how absolutely unreasonable people have been with Hughes. It's the only reason I've argued his case over the past years, it does my fucking head in. I don't even fucking care about him, I thought he did ok & deserved to continue for a while longer that's all but the absolute shite that people post about him winds me up.

Thought he did ok and deserved to continue a bit longer seems to suggest to me that a small amount of success was quite adequate in the eyes of some.A modicum of success I'd say.
And if he was watching what was happening in Thailand I'm sure he knew the kind of person Frank was and what our club had to offer.Surely he wasn't conned into it.If he thought Frank was such a bad person why did he sign the contract while he was still in charge.
Winds me up the shit come out about clueless.
He had plenty of time,money,support from the fans and board and still failed miserably.

Where did I say he was conned? I'm saying the opposite; he knew he was entering into an unsure situation but went for it anyway the exact opposite of entering a comfort zone like he's been accused of.

YOU'RE WOUND UP ABOUT PEOPLE'S OPINIONS OF HUGHES?!! HE'S BEEN FUCKING SACKED, HE'S GONE, NEVER TO RETURN. THIS IS A HUGHES THREAD. IF IT WINDS YOU UP PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT HIM WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ON IT?!!

THAT was the point of this topic. So that people could freely discuss anything and everything to do with him. That's why this topic is here and will remain here until we have properly moved on. This isn't here to wind people up either way, if someone do NOT want to talk about him then they need to stay away from this topic.

I should probably do that!

Thing is I'm not even arsed he's gone if we play like 2nd half v Chelsea. I only liked him because I thought he was doing ok & played good attacking football. If that hadn't continued to improve I'd have wanted him replaced. I just want to see quality football & I don't really care who's in charge as long as they provide it, they don't even have to provide trophies or top 4 at this stage for me, just good football & a good attempt to get there.

[Rag_hater]

I should probably do that!

Thing is I'm not even arsed he's gone if we play like 2nd half v Chelsea. I only liked him because I thought he was doing ok & played good attacking football. If that hadn't continued to improve I'd have wanted him replaced. I just want to see quality football & I don't really care who's in charge as long as they provide it, they don't even have to provide trophies or top 4 at this stage for me, just good football & a good attempt to get there.[/quote]












I can sit through most borefest quite easily thats why I sat through the games we played against Fulham and Birmingham which were pretty boring.And teams managed by Hughes.There were probably many others but they were so boring I've erased them from memory.All this BS about Hughes providing thrilling football is a load of rubbish,he was guilty of plenty of boring matches.
And I cant believe you say that a manager who got us less points,more losses and a worse league position than his predecessor to is not settling for a bit of success and deserves more time.How is that not lowering your expectations?

[Ted Hughes]

I should probably do that!

Thing is I'm not even arsed he's gone if we play like 2nd half v Chelsea. I only liked him because I thought he was doing ok & played good attacking football. If that hadn't continued to improve I'd have wanted him replaced. I just want to see quality football & I don't really care who's in charge as long as they provide it, they don't even have to provide trophies or top 4 at this stage for me, just good football & a good attempt to get there.

I can sit through most borefest quite easily thats why I sat through the games we played against Fulham and Birmingham which were pretty boring.And teams managed by Hughes.There were probably many others but they were so boring I've erased them from memory.All this BS about Hughes providing thrilling football is a load of rubbish,he was guilty of plenty of boring matches.
And I cant believe you say that a manager who got us less points,more losses and a worse league position than his predecessor to is not settling for a bit of success and deserves more time.How is that not lowering your expectations?

Every team in the world has a percentage of boring games. You didn't find the football entertaining but some people did including most neutrals who often commented on it. Neutrals haven't enjoyed watching us much since then & often comment on it. I haven't enjoyed a home game since Hughes left & rarely an away game but I enjoyed the 2nd half v Chelsea very much. However, I don't go to away games anymore & I pay money to watch all the home games so I want good football there whoever provides it. I hope & believe Mancini will start to do that now the turmoil of Hughes' sacking & changing methods is wearing off the players.

I don't see how my standards could have dropped seeing as we were right on target for everything I'd hoped for at the moment Hughes was sacked so I was gutted when it happened. I don't want Mancini sacking either but I recon they have a plan for Mourinho if he'll come so it doesn't matter what I want.