FFP Part 2

[Scatman]

A new UEFA study has shown that Manchester United has the highest net debt of any club in the world.

The amount of money that United owe has now grown to €536million (£464m), according to the European Football Landscape report.


United's debt has grown by 25 per cent in the last year alone, which is a complete contrast to the rest of Europe, where UEFA say overall debt has decreased every year over the past five years.

The debt accrued by United have been a source of anger from some fans over the past decade. Gill and his rag hat on hiding under a desk.

I think, given how the club was run until uncle Malc's demise, it will come as no surprise that their recent spending sprees will have been accompanied by more debt being saddled to the cockney hoards season tickets.

I forgot he was dead. I'm not sure whether to be happy or sad

[Mikhail Chigorin]

A new UEFA study has shown that Manchester United has the highest net debt of any club in the world.

The amount of money that United owe has now grown to €536million (£464m), according to the European Football Landscape report.


United's debt has grown by 25 per cent in the last year alone, which is a complete contrast to the rest of Europe, where UEFA say overall debt has decreased every year over the past five years.

The debt accrued by United have been a source of anger from some fans over the past decade. Gill and his rag hat on hiding under a desk.

Fucking madness.

I'd love to see them do a Leeds. Impossible with Gill pulling the strings and the FA in it's current set up.

Very clever move getting Gill high up the ranks in UEFA.

I think the FA are afraid of the PL either going solo, as it were, or a number of teams in it joining a European Super League, as always seems a possibility lurking around the corner. If this were to happen, the FA, in their own eyes, would lose a lot of influence, importance and part of their reason for existing so, on that basis, they toady up continually to those they regard as the important players in the PL.

Since Sky money rules all in the PL and the Sky4 are the be all and end all to them, the FA have to pay particular deference to the Sky4 cartel and all that that entails; hence the way that City are wronged and mistreated continually, as we are perceived to be a threat to the cosy situation which has prevailed until fairly recently.

Paradoxically, the only redeeming aspect towards saving English football would be if, because of the growing importance and power of the Chinese football scene, the money currently being lavished by Sky on the PL, would be transferred to China instead, because that would be the football the world would want to watch.

This would cause the PL to, firstly, wither and then, finally, to completely collapse, leaving English football (and the FA) to pick up the pieces and, hopefully, restore some sanity and administrative matters to pre PL levels.

This still doesn't solve the problem of UEFA, but if other European Leagues are affected by the Chinese 'explosion', in the same way as I feel it will happen in this country, then UEFA will diminish in importance and, without the same volume of money swilling around as at present, all thoughts of Financial Foul Play could disappear in a climate where many Clubs throughout Europe, will be 'going to the wall'.

How that will leave City is anyone's guess, but in the next 10-15 years, I feel football in this country will be totally different from the situation as at present but, overall and in the bigger picture, it couldn't be any worse than the corrupt way things have developed to this point in time.

One thing I do feel certain about, is that China definitely aren't going to go away.

[BookJunior]

Not sure how much more of this sort of shite I can tolerate. The game is completely losing its appeal with this continuous moving of the posts.

Don't forget the bent seeding system and draw. I quite agree with you. Turning me off as well.

[patrickblue]

Well, according to septic bladder, the game was invented in China.

[BookJunior]

A new UEFA study has shown that Manchester United has the highest net debt of any club in the world.

The amount of money that United owe has now grown to €536million (£464m), according to the European Football Landscape report.


United's debt has grown by 25 per cent in the last year alone, which is a complete contrast to the rest of Europe, where UEFA say overall debt has decreased every year over the past five years.

The debt accrued by United have been a source of anger from some fans over the past decade. Gill and his rag hat on hiding under a desk.

Fucking madness.

I'd love to see them do a Leeds. Impossible with Gill pulling the strings and the FA in it's current set up.

Very clever move getting Gill high up the ranks in UEFA.

I think the FA are afraid of the PL either going solo, as it were, or a number of teams in it joining a European Super League, as always seems a possibility lurking around the corner. If this were to happen, the FA, in their own eyes, would lose a lot of influence, importance and part of their reason for existing so, on that basis, they toady up continually to those they regard as the important players in the PL.

Since Sky money rules all in the PL and the Sky4 are the be all and end all to them, the FA have to pay particular deference to the Sky4 cartel and all that that entails; hence the way that City are wronged and mistreated continually, as we are perceived to be a threat to the cosy situation which has prevailed until fairly recently.

Paradoxically, the only redeeming aspect towards saving English football would be if, because of the growing importance and power of the Chinese football scene, the money currently being lavished by Sky on the PL, would be transferred to China instead, because that would be the football the world would want to watch.

This would cause the PL to, firstly, wither and then, finally, to completely collapse, leaving English football (and the FA) to pick up the pieces and, hopefully, restore some sanity and administrative matters to pre PL levels.

This still doesn't solve the problem of UEFA, but if other European Leagues are affected by the Chinese 'explosion', in the same way as I feel it will happen in this country, then UEFA will diminish in importance and, without the same volume of money swilling around as at present, all thoughts of Financial Foul Play could disappear in a climate where many Clubs throughout Europe, will be 'going to the wall'.

How that will leave City is anyone's guess, but in the next 10-15 years, I feel football in this country will be totally different from the situation as at present but, overall and in the bigger picture, it couldn't be any worse than the corrupt way things have developed to this point in time.

One thing I do feel certain about, is that China definitely aren't going to go away.

BT money as well as Sky.

[FA cup winners 2006]

An absolute non story.

Nine clubs were mentioned (us, utd, arse, pool, chelsea, real, barca, munich and psg) as being so financially strong that no one else can get near.

There was no mention of re-investigating the etihad deal or anything singling out city.

The article is a mish mash of past events and trying to apply them again in relation to this report

[Cocacolajojo]

Agree with the above post. The article made specfic mentions about city but it doesn't look like City's targeted specifically by the new rules.

[Beefymcfc]

A new UEFA study has shown that Manchester United has the highest net debt of any club in the world.

The amount of money that United owe has now grown to €536million (£464m), according to the European Football Landscape report.


United's debt has grown by 25 per cent in the last year alone, which is a complete contrast to the rest of Europe, where UEFA say overall debt has decreased every year over the past five years.

The debt accrued by United have been a source of anger from some fans over the past decade. Gill and his rag hat on hiding under a desk.

And this is why we are seeing what we are seeing this season. Yes, they lost a little on the Brexit vote due to the downturn in the pound but the majority is due to huge purchases and wages - funny how nobody questions FFP with them. Not being in the CL is disastrous for their books, especially if they don't qualify this year. We earned approx £76 mil last season which was higher than the eventual winners, Real, due to our share of the huge English television deal. Not only could they possibly be losing that but they also have a clause with Adidas that 2 years out of the CL sees it reduced by 30% over the period which means they lose out on at least another £50 mil for the 2 year period. Factor in loss on gates, loss of plastic supporters and loss of reputation, this season could really harms them going forward, especially with the likes of the Glazer's also trying to syphon money out for their own means.

Does anybody really think that pressure isn't being asserted by all parties in this?

Scudamore has already stated that he aims to get a new name on the trophy every six years and that the Rags not competing, not winning the PL, harms the brand. Sky/BT n turn lose out on commercial revenue as people switch off and the FA lose out because of their deal with the PL/BT/Sky who give them their backhander to push down the league. The big clubs in Europe have shown their hand with the implementation of the very dubiously named FFP from UEFA and the well known instigation of a similar (not full) system in the PL. Each time the custodians have buckled to their whims, there is no doubt at all that they aren't doing it again.

But how does this manifest on the field of play?

Well, do I really have to explain it? Clear two footed challenges only seen as a minor infringement whilst other clubs see red for a lesser incident. Or what about brutal challenges where flying body checks aren't even frowned upon whilst elbows are dismissed as leverage. Offside goals (what is it, 6 in the last 4 games) classed as the best the PL has ever seen or worded by commentators as 'Being too close to call', while a toe offside at speed by other teams is examined for a week, scrutinised from every conceivable angle. Those commentators are the very same who scream like a girl having their first orgasm at the thought of a Rag goal but when a clear dive the whole place turns silent before cutting quickly to a different scene and normal love-in resumes.

It's all there for everybody to see but the question is, in order for the Rags to get in the CL places, who takes the fall?

[BookJunior]

A new UEFA study has shown that Manchester United has the highest net debt of any club in the world.

The amount of money that United owe has now grown to €536million (£464m), according to the European Football Landscape report.


United's debt has grown by 25 per cent in the last year alone, which is a complete contrast to the rest of Europe, where UEFA say overall debt has decreased every year over the past five years.

The debt accrued by United have been a source of anger from some fans over the past decade. Gill and his rag hat on hiding under a desk.

And this is why we are seeing what we are seeing this season. Yes, they lost a little on the Brexit vote due to the downturn in the pound but the majority is due to huge purchases and wages - funny how nobody questions FFP with them. Not being in the CL is disastrous for their books, especially if they don't qualify this year. We earned approx £76 mil last season which was higher than the eventual winners, Real, due to our share of the huge English television deal. Not only could they possibly be losing that but they also have a clause with Adidas that 2 years out of the CL sees it reduced by 30% over the period which means they lose out on at least another £50 mil for the 2 year period. Factor in loss on gates, loss of plastic supporters and loss of reputation, this season could really harms them going forward, especially with the likes of the Glazer's also trying to syphon money out for their own means.

Does anybody really think that pressure isn't being asserted by all parties in this?

Scudamore has already stated that he aims to get a new name on the trophy every six years and that the Rags not competing, not winning the PL, harms the brand. Sky/BT n turn lose out on commercial revenue as people switch off and the FA lose out because of their deal with the PL/BT/Sky who give them their backhander to push down the league. The big clubs in Europe have shown their hand with the implementation of the very dubiously named FFP from UEFA and the well known instigation of a similar (not full) system in the PL. Each time the custodians have buckled to their whims, there is no doubt at all that they aren't doing it again.

But how does this manifest on the field of play?

Well, do I really have to explain it? Clear two footed challenges only seen as a minor infringement whilst other clubs see red for a lesser incident. Or what about brutal challenges where flying body checks aren't even frowned upon whilst elbows are dismissed as leverage. Offside goals (what is it, 6 in the last 4 games) classed as the best the PL has ever seen or worded by commentators as 'Being too close to call', while a toe offside at speed by other teams is examined for a week, scrutinised from every conceivable angle. Those commentators are the very same who scream like a girl having their first orgasm at the thought of a Rag goal but when a clear dive the whole place turns silent before cutting quickly to a different scene and normal love-in resumes.

It's all there for everybody to see but the question is, in order for the Rags to get in the CL places, who takes the fall?

Absolutely spot on Mate.

[Beefymcfc]

A new UEFA study has shown that Manchester United has the highest net debt of any club in the world.

The amount of money that United owe has now grown to €536million (£464m), according to the European Football Landscape report.


United's debt has grown by 25 per cent in the last year alone, which is a complete contrast to the rest of Europe, where UEFA say overall debt has decreased every year over the past five years.

The debt accrued by United have been a source of anger from some fans over the past decade. Gill and his rag hat on hiding under a desk.

Fucking madness.

I'd love to see them do a Leeds. Impossible with Gill pulling the strings and the FA in it's current set up.

Very clever move getting Gill high up the ranks in UEFA.

I think the FA are afraid of the PL either going solo, as it were, or a number of teams in it joining a European Super League, as always seems a possibility lurking around the corner. If this were to happen, the FA, in their own eyes, would lose a lot of influence, importance and part of their reason for existing so, on that basis, they toady up continually to those they regard as the important players in the PL.

Since Sky money rules all in the PL and the Sky4 are the be all and end all to them, the FA have to pay particular deference to the Sky4 cartel and all that that entails; hence the way that City are wronged and mistreated continually, as we are perceived to be a threat to the cosy situation which has prevailed until fairly recently.

Paradoxically, the only redeeming aspect towards saving English football would be if, because of the growing importance and power of the Chinese football scene, the money currently being lavished by Sky on the PL, would be transferred to China instead, because that would be the football the world would want to watch.

This would cause the PL to, firstly, wither and then, finally, to completely collapse, leaving English football (and the FA) to pick up the pieces and, hopefully, restore some sanity and administrative matters to pre PL levels.

This still doesn't solve the problem of UEFA, but if other European Leagues are affected by the Chinese 'explosion', in the same way as I feel it will happen in this country, then UEFA will diminish in importance and, without the same volume of money swilling around as at present, all thoughts of Financial Foul Play could disappear in a climate where many Clubs throughout Europe, will be 'going to the wall'.

How that will leave City is anyone's guess, but in the next 10-15 years, I feel football in this country will be totally different from the situation as at present but, overall and in the bigger picture, it couldn't be any worse than the corrupt way things have developed to this point in time.

One thing I do feel certain about, is that China definitely aren't going to go away.

Nice piece MC and mentioned a few things I didn't. The thing with the Chinese league is that it probably wouldn't appeal to the European market due to the time difference and I'd hazard a guess that Europe is the main footballing area around the world. I've also read that they are possibly bringing in a monetary cap for the Chinese league, which again, may affect their chance of buying up all the top players, because that's what they'd have to do.

The breakaway league in Europe is an interesting one because it seems that it is a regular prose spouted whenever the old G14 want to take their ball home which ends up with UEFA and the PL moving the goalposts in order to pander to their will. Never seems to come around though, does it.

Note that I say PL rather than FA in the above paragraph and the reason is simple. The FA are no longer the power, they pander to the money that the PL hand to them. They also pander to the clubs with the biggest profiles, not allowing the game to be played out with the best players but those that the sponsors demand to be played.

Just like the FA don't control PL referees, that power was abdicated when the OL decided to fund their own 'Professional' body which meant that they had ultimate control of the man in the middle. Some would say that it's a conflict of interest,they would just say 'Business as usual'.

[Beefymcfc]

A new UEFA study has shown that Manchester United has the highest net debt of any club in the world.

The amount of money that United owe has now grown to €536million (£464m), according to the European Football Landscape report.


United's debt has grown by 25 per cent in the last year alone, which is a complete contrast to the rest of Europe, where UEFA say overall debt has decreased every year over the past five years.

The debt accrued by United have been a source of anger from some fans over the past decade. Gill and his rag hat on hiding under a desk.

And this is why we are seeing what we are seeing this season. Yes, they lost a little on the Brexit vote due to the downturn in the pound but the majority is due to huge purchases and wages - funny how nobody questions FFP with them. Not being in the CL is disastrous for their books, especially if they don't qualify this year. We earned approx £76 mil last season which was higher than the eventual winners, Real, due to our share of the huge English television deal. Not only could they possibly be losing that but they also have a clause with Adidas that 2 years out of the CL sees it reduced by 30% over the period which means they lose out on at least another £50 mil for the 2 year period. Factor in loss on gates, loss of plastic supporters and loss of reputation, this season could really harms them going forward, especially with the likes of the Glazer's also trying to syphon money out for their own means.

Does anybody really think that pressure isn't being asserted by all parties in this?

Scudamore has already stated that he aims to get a new name on the trophy every six years and that the Rags not competing, not winning the PL, harms the brand. Sky/BT n turn lose out on commercial revenue as people switch off and the FA lose out because of their deal with the PL/BT/Sky who give them their backhander to push down the league. The big clubs in Europe have shown their hand with the implementation of the very dubiously named FFP from UEFA and the well known instigation of a similar (not full) system in the PL. Each time the custodians have buckled to their whims, there is no doubt at all that they aren't doing it again.

But how does this manifest on the field of play?

Well, do I really have to explain it? Clear two footed challenges only seen as a minor infringement whilst other clubs see red for a lesser incident. Or what about brutal challenges where flying body checks aren't even frowned upon whilst elbows are dismissed as leverage. Offside goals (what is it, 6 in the last 4 games) classed as the best the PL has ever seen or worded by commentators as 'Being too close to call', while a toe offside at speed by other teams is examined for a week, scrutinised from every conceivable angle. Those commentators are the very same who scream like a girl having their first orgasm at the thought of a Rag goal but when a clear dive the whole place turns silent before cutting quickly to a different scene and normal love-in resumes.

It's all there for everybody to see but the question is, in order for the Rags to get in the CL places, who takes the fall?

Absolutely spot on Mate.

Cheers bud, good to see I'm not the only one.

I keep meaning to put my thoughts down in full but then I realise it'll take a lifetime to write

[Mikhail Chigorin]

A new UEFA study has shown that Manchester United has the highest net debt of any club in the world.

The amount of money that United owe has now grown to €536million (£464m), according to the European Football Landscape report.


United's debt has grown by 25 per cent in the last year alone, which is a complete contrast to the rest of Europe, where UEFA say overall debt has decreased every year over the past five years.

The debt accrued by United have been a source of anger from some fans over the past decade. Gill and his rag hat on hiding under a desk.

And this is why we are seeing what we are seeing this season. Yes, they lost a little on the Brexit vote due to the downturn in the pound but the majority is due to huge purchases and wages - funny how nobody questions FFP with them. Not being in the CL is disastrous for their books, especially if they don't qualify this year. We earned approx £76 mil last season which was higher than the eventual winners, Real, due to our share of the huge English television deal. Not only could they possibly be losing that but they also have a clause with Adidas that 2 years out of the CL sees it reduced by 30% over the period which means they lose out on at least another £50 mil for the 2 year period. Factor in loss on gates, loss of plastic supporters and loss of reputation, this season could really harms them going forward, especially with the likes of the Glazer's also trying to syphon money out for their own means.

Does anybody really think that pressure isn't being asserted by all parties in this?

Scudamore has already stated that he aims to get a new name on the trophy every six years and that the Rags not competing, not winning the PL, harms the brand. Sky/BT n turn lose out on commercial revenue as people switch off and the FA lose out because of their deal with the PL/BT/Sky who give them their backhander to push down the league. The big clubs in Europe have shown their hand with the implementation of the very dubiously named FFP from UEFA and the well known instigation of a similar (not full) system in the PL. Each time the custodians have buckled to their whims, there is no doubt at all that they aren't doing it again.

But how does this manifest on the field of play?

Well, do I really have to explain it? Clear two footed challenges only seen as a minor infringement whilst other clubs see red for a lesser incident. Or what about brutal challenges where flying body checks aren't even frowned upon whilst elbows are dismissed as leverage. Offside goals (what is it, 6 in the last 4 games) classed as the best the PL has ever seen or worded by commentators as 'Being too close to call', while a toe offside at speed by other teams is examined for a week, scrutinised from every conceivable angle. Those commentators are the very same who scream like a girl having their first orgasm at the thought of a Rag goal but when a clear dive the whole place turns silent before cutting quickly to a different scene and normal love-in resumes.

It's all there for everybody to see but the question is, in order for the Rags to get in the CL places, who takes the fall?

Absolutely spot on Mate.

I concur.

Absolutely brilliant post Beefy, spelling out in no uncertain terms, the greedy corrupt cesspit and accompanying agendas which exist today and in which our poor City has to ply its trade.

Where is there a journalist of probity, integrity and a courageous independence of mind to speak the truth, when you need one ?? It's a disgusting shame that this can only be a rhetorical question.

[Hazy2]

David Gill placed in the right position at Manuefa to guide the ship as the scum flounder after red nose ?

[Mikhail Chigorin]

David Gill placed in the right position at Manuefa to guide the ship as the scum flounder after red nose ?

What a terrific encapsulation Hazy.

Well done to you.

[Original Dub]

Of course hazy, mate.

It was obvious to me at the time and everything since them has just reinforced it.

And for those who say this is a mish mash of old news... these are media releases organised by the organisation in questiom and this goes on in every major business.

It's a way to both gauge opinion and to prepare for a major announcent.

It's smoke and there is definitely fire.

[mr_nool]

If you combine this with the talk from the Italian clubs et al a while ago about preferential treatment for historically important clubs, and it's all quite worrying

[Mikhail Chigorin]

If you combine this with the talk from the Italian clubs et al a while ago about preferential treatment for historically important clubs, and it's all quite worrying

When, against all odds, we next win the League title, it would be wonderful if the Club were to come out and declare that we would not enter their corrupt and worthless competition until UEFA (or ManUEFA, which is so relevant) put their own house in order.

Obviously, this could never happen in a million years, but it would be rather wonderful and would certainly create a lot of newsworthy ripples which might, conceivably, build up into a Tsunami.

.......a couple of pigs have just flown past my window, so I'd better stop at this point..................

[BookJunior]

A new UEFA study has shown that Manchester United has the highest net debt of any club in the world.

The amount of money that United owe has now grown to €536million (£464m), according to the European Football Landscape report.


United's debt has grown by 25 per cent in the last year alone, which is a complete contrast to the rest of Europe, where UEFA say overall debt has decreased every year over the past five years.

The debt accrued by United have been a source of anger from some fans over the past decade. Gill and his rag hat on hiding under a desk.

And this is why we are seeing what we are seeing this season. Yes, they lost a little on the Brexit vote due to the downturn in the pound but the majority is due to huge purchases and wages - funny how nobody questions FFP with them. Not being in the CL is disastrous for their books, especially if they don't qualify this year. We earned approx £76 mil last season which was higher than the eventual winners, Real, due to our share of the huge English television deal. Not only could they possibly be losing that but they also have a clause with Adidas that 2 years out of the CL sees it reduced by 30% over the period which means they lose out on at least another £50 mil for the 2 year period. Factor in loss on gates, loss of plastic supporters and loss of reputation, this season could really harms them going forward, especially with the likes of the Glazer's also trying to syphon money out for their own means.

Does anybody really think that pressure isn't being asserted by all parties in this?

Scudamore has already stated that he aims to get a new name on the trophy every six years and that the Rags not competing, not winning the PL, harms the brand. Sky/BT n turn lose out on commercial revenue as people switch off and the FA lose out because of their deal with the PL/BT/Sky who give them their backhander to push down the league. The big clubs in Europe have shown their hand with the implementation of the very dubiously named FFP from UEFA and the well known instigation of a similar (not full) system in the PL. Each time the custodians have buckled to their whims, there is no doubt at all that they aren't doing it again.

But how does this manifest on the field of play?

Well, do I really have to explain it? Clear two footed challenges only seen as a minor infringement whilst other clubs see red for a lesser incident. Or what about brutal challenges where flying body checks aren't even frowned upon whilst elbows are dismissed as leverage. Offside goals (what is it, 6 in the last 4 games) classed as the best the PL has ever seen or worded by commentators as 'Being too close to call', while a toe offside at speed by other teams is examined for a week, scrutinised from every conceivable angle. Those commentators are the very same who scream like a girl having their first orgasm at the thought of a Rag goal but when a clear dive the whole place turns silent before cutting quickly to a different scene and normal love-in resumes.

It's all there for everybody to see but the question is, in order for the Rags to get in the CL places, who takes the fall?

Absolutely spot on Mate.

Cheers bud, good to see I'm not the only one.

I keep meaning to put my thoughts down in full but then I realise it'll take a lifetime to write

It strikes me that someone could get ESRC funding for a PhD on the subject of financing football (semi serious)!

[iwasthere2012]

So. Beefy,Hazy,MC, BJ, OD.
I'm a bit unclear.
Are you saying there is some sort of agenda or conspiracy going on?

[Mikhail Chigorin]

So. Beefy,Hazy,MC, BJ, OD.
I'm a bit unclear.
Are you saying there is some sort of agenda or conspiracy going on?

Are you saying there's not, IWT ??