Mase wrote:Andre Gray was one
Dameerto wrote:I think in the long term we'll see clubs adopt a policy on homophobia similar to those on racism, but for it to happen we need gay players (both male and female) to declare themselves - which I'm guessing is far easier for me to say than for the players concerned to do.
john@staustell wrote:Dameerto wrote:I think in the long term we'll see clubs adopt a policy on homophobia similar to those on racism, but for it to happen we need gay players (both male and female) to declare themselves - which I'm guessing is far easier for me to say than for the players concerned to do.
I don't know mate. It mystifies me why people feel the need to 'declare', 'come out' or say anything about their sexuality.
I couldn't care less to honest - isn't that the way it should be?
I Just Blue Myself wrote:john@staustell wrote:Dameerto wrote:I think in the long term we'll see clubs adopt a policy on homophobia similar to those on racism, but for it to happen we need gay players (both male and female) to declare themselves - which I'm guessing is far easier for me to say than for the players concerned to do.
I don't know mate. It mystifies me why people feel the need to 'declare', 'come out' or say anything about their sexuality.
I couldn't care less to honest - isn't that the way it should be?
Maybe 'people feel the need' to not having to hide a major part of their life? You must live in cuckoo land if you think a gay footballer could just go out & be seen with his partner in the same way a straight footballer does with his girlfriend or wife. That alone equals a de facto declaration/coming out without speaking a single word or addressing anyone in particular.
If you struggle to comprehend that, life on planet earth must be a real mystery to you in general.
Wonderwall wrote:I Just Blue Myself wrote:john@staustell wrote:Dameerto wrote:I think in the long term we'll see clubs adopt a policy on homophobia similar to those on racism, but for it to happen we need gay players (both male and female) to declare themselves - which I'm guessing is far easier for me to say than for the players concerned to do.
I don't know mate. It mystifies me why people feel the need to 'declare', 'come out' or say anything about their sexuality.
I couldn't care less to honest - isn't that the way it should be?
Maybe 'people feel the need' to not having to hide a major part of their life? You must live in cuckoo land if you think a gay footballer could just go out & be seen with his partner in the same way a straight footballer does with his girlfriend or wife. That alone equals a de facto declaration/coming out without speaking a single word or addressing anyone in particular.
If you struggle to comprehend that, life on planet earth must be a real mystery to you in general.
I don't think John was struggling to comprehend at all. He was stating how he sees it and the way it should be. I agree with him, I couldn't care less about a footballers sexuality, it has nothing to do with how he plays the game.
john@staustell wrote:Dameerto wrote:I think in the long term we'll see clubs adopt a policy on homophobia similar to those on racism, but for it to happen we need gay players (both male and female) to declare themselves - which I'm guessing is far easier for me to say than for the players concerned to do.
I don't know mate. It mystifies me why people feel the need to 'declare', 'come out' or say anything about their sexuality.
I couldn't care less to honest - isn't that the way it should be?
Gringo Twatburger wrote:Mase wrote:Feed The Goat wrote:Weren't city fans singing oshea takes it up the arse a few years back and then when Giggs came on in tights the chant was here comes another one. And that was at the Ethiad I can guarantee whoever it is as an away player will get the same treatment. I don't know why but they will
I think it was wolf whistles when Giggs came on in tights.
I think if it's a rag the line gets further and further away. I'd probably chant anything as long as it didn't involve the colour of someone's skin. That's me being honest.
I tend to know that i have certain prejudices, and we all do so let's just be honest and not bullshit about it, and i fight hard as hell to make sure they don't inform or colour, punintentionally, any personal interaction i have so that i can judge people on merit and what they truly deserve, positively or negatively.
Those prejudices that i hold are borne of experience in life, but they don't mean that every person of a certain culture or race or nationality fits the profile even if many in my experience do, or did, in a certain time or certain locale.
I'll given an example since we're all friends here....Filipinos. Are they the laziest, trying to get over community of people in the world? Maybe not, but I wouldn't know that if i based it on the Filipinos who worked with me, for me or were around me in the SF Bay Area. And is their language the worst in the world? Maybe not, but...it's...fucking...horrific. And the sound of their English? The blub-blub-blub tones of both tagalog and Filipino English makes me want to stab myself in the ears. And the singing? And the basketball tho they are all midgets? And the fried fucking food? Could i go on about gaudy, Catholic, money-obsessed/gold digging, electronics-obsessed bullshit? A: Yes. I could.
Anyway, yes, i have some close Filipino friends. And yes they probably have 8 fucking televisions in their goddam house. And no i don't judge individuals by the broad strokes i painted above, tho in my very core when i write what i wrote above i'm not trying to be "funny" just trying to show that i do have these feelings at some level, and i realize that they cannot be universally applied to every individual you met in life.
That's the definition of not being a prejudiced, racist, homophobic asshole. You don't let the stupid shit that you think you might believe, or that your dad taught you or that 3 fucktards who worked in some office building with you when you were 25 dictate your world view. You take people as individuals and treat them with respect and fairness and give them what they earn, and expect the same in return from them.
Mabuhay.
john@staustell wrote:Dameerto wrote:I think in the long term we'll see clubs adopt a policy on homophobia similar to those on racism, but for it to happen we need gay players (both male and female) to declare themselves - which I'm guessing is far easier for me to say than for the players concerned to do.
I don't know mate. It mystifies me why people feel the need to 'declare', 'come out' or say anything about their sexuality.
I couldn't care less to honest - isn't that the way it should be?
iwasthere2012 wrote:Gringo Twatburger wrote:Mase wrote:Feed The Goat wrote:Weren't city fans singing oshea takes it up the arse a few years back and then when Giggs came on in tights the chant was here comes another one. And that was at the Ethiad I can guarantee whoever it is as an away player will get the same treatment. I don't know why but they will
I think it was wolf whistles when Giggs came on in tights.
I think if it's a rag the line gets further and further away. I'd probably chant anything as long as it didn't involve the colour of someone's skin. That's me being honest.
I tend to know that i have certain prejudices, and we all do so let's just be honest and not bullshit about it, and i fight hard as hell to make sure they don't inform or colour, punintentionally, any personal interaction i have so that i can judge people on merit and what they truly deserve, positively or negatively.
Those prejudices that i hold are borne of experience in life, but they don't mean that every person of a certain culture or race or nationality fits the profile even if many in my experience do, or did, in a certain time or certain locale.
I'll given an example since we're all friends here....Filipinos. Are they the laziest, trying to get over community of people in the world? Maybe not, but I wouldn't know that if i based it on the Filipinos who worked with me, for me or were around me in the SF Bay Area. And is their language the worst in the world? Maybe not, but...it's...fucking...horrific. And the sound of their English? The blub-blub-blub tones of both tagalog and Filipino English makes me want to stab myself in the ears. And the singing? And the basketball tho they are all midgets? And the fried fucking food? Could i go on about gaudy, Catholic, money-obsessed/gold digging, electronics-obsessed bullshit? A: Yes. I could.
Anyway, yes, i have some close Filipino friends. And yes they probably have 8 fucking televisions in their goddam house. And no i don't judge individuals by the broad strokes i painted above, tho in my very core when i write what i wrote above i'm not trying to be "funny" just trying to show that i do have these feelings at some level, and i realize that they cannot be universally applied to every individual you met in life.
That's the definition of not being a prejudiced, racist, homophobic asshole. You don't let the stupid shit that you think you might believe, or that your dad taught you or that 3 fucktards who worked in some office building with you when you were 25 dictate your world view. You take people as individuals and treat them with respect and fairness and give them what they earn, and expect the same in return from them.
Mabuhay.
Gringo,
that is quite a refreshingly honest self appraisal. We all have our prejudices. I think it is important that we recognise our own faults regardless of whether it changes the way we feel or not. It keeps most of us in check, when we know it is not necessarily rational on our part.
Not everyone looks so closely introspectively though and I think most of us get lost in group/mob mentality when caught up in the fervour of a football match.
People, and we're all guilty, chant stuff at games that would not be deemed acceptable in society, anywhere else. We are quite willing to use any weapon on our armoury to give our team the edge. If that means picking on any weakness we can find in the opposing team, we do it.
Is it right. No. definitely not if you are talking about something as blatant as racism or homophobia. But what about bullying?
I 'm not going to condone any of it because one is as bad as the other. But is it ok for a nationwide bullying campaign in all media against a player, that then continues at every ground in the country from all opposing fans. And what if this was a young player of 19-21 years old and his career was being put at jeopardy and his confidence being crushed. Would it be justified for the good of our side.
Sounds familiar doesn't it. Homophobia is a problem. You can understand why players would not want to come out, but it's not the only problem that rears it's head on the terraces(if there were any left).
People behave terribly in a crowd because they relinquish their personal resposibilities. It's the anonymity that makes them feel ok about doing things they wouldn't do face to face.
I like the idea of a City crowd cheering on an openly gay opponent, but in all honesty how can you organise that. You cannot decide someone else's idea of morality for them. It would have to start with individual choice on the terrace (see above). The individual decision to do what's right. You get a group clapping then and a ripple affect can happen as more and more get confidence to do what's right.
Anyway nice honest post gringo. You've been making quite a few calm sensible scribblings recently. Ae you sure you're alright?
Sister of fu wrote:Can you imagine the scenes if say a Man U player came out as gay and played at the Etihad. Are people on here honestly saying that wouldn't join in with homophobic chanting when it started? Or would people have the courage to stand up to these people and say no?
That IMO is why you will not get a high profile player coming out as gay. Look at the abuse Raheem has got for being a bit shit and buying his Mum a dodgy sink. Jesus imagine the scenes if someone was gay. Not worth the harassment and intrusion.
nottsblue wrote:Sadly, as a society, we are a long way off accepting our elite sportspeople, both male and female, are gay. Heaven knows why that is. It doesn't happen in other walks of life. You wouldn't care less if your doctor or dentist or postman or local shopkeeper or bar tender or indeed any of your colleagues were gay. It just doesn't matter.
Justified logic wrote:nottsblue wrote:Sadly, as a society, we are a long way off accepting our elite sportspeople, both male and female, are gay. Heaven knows why that is. It doesn't happen in other walks of life. You wouldn't care less if your doctor or dentist or postman or local shopkeeper or bar tender or indeed any of your colleagues were gay. It just doesn't matter.
Agree with you and I've socialised, worked, and shared an office with gay work colleagues. However, I wouldn't want to shower with them. Sadly I never got to shower with any of my female work colleagues. There's something about being naked in a shower as opposed to being with someone doing everyday stuff. Can't quite put my finger on it though.
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