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Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:38 pm

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:The irony is all the people saying he is tactically inept are the same ones calling for us to play two defensive midfielders, which in my opinion is the main reason we have been generally poor this year.
We have stopped being an attacking threat as we usually only have four attack minded players on the pitch. All this to break down teams playingnine and ten behind the ball. It is so obvious we are going to struggle to get through the massed ranks.
Furthermore, not only does this inhibit our ability to score Bt it makes it even more likely we will be hit on the counter attack. There is no guile or craft from the midfield and these less gifted players are going to give the ball away around the final third.
I've watched it time and again and then read that we need this 'sokid base'. It's a myth.
I also hear Yaya getting crucified and yet we muss him more than any other player, with the possible exception of Serg.
The two most feeble woeful performances of the season were at Liverpool and that wretched effort at Stoke. And that is how I always think of us without Yaya and with the fabled two defensive midfielders.
I've been saying all season long, "Attack, it's what we do best"

We seem to have become a possession side, as in we keep hold of the ball without actually doing anything with it. It's bewildering to watch almost every single game.
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Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:43 pm

Cocacolajojo wrote:Good point PP.

Also, Navas almost always receives the ball standing still close to the penalty area. He's at his best when he receives the ball running at the defense already. He's almost completely wasted in our lethargic pace of attack but he still manages to be of use to us. I think that's worthy of a prize.

It is a good point. And it's also interesting that Ian Nacho attacks the front post in anticipation of crosses coming in and rarely gets picked.
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Postby iwasthere2012 » Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:59 pm

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Cocacolajojo wrote:Good point PP.

Also, Navas almost always receives the ball standing still close to the penalty area. He's at his best when he receives the ball running at the defense already. He's almost completely wasted in our lethargic pace of attack but he still manages to be of use to us. I think that's worthy of a prize.

It is a good point. And it's also interesting that Ian Nacho attacks the front post in anticipation of crosses coming in and rarely gets picked.


Both points I have observed also, and agree with.
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Postby Cocacolajojo1 » Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:08 pm

Can we guesstimate here or are we on safer ground?
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Postby Cocacolajojo1 » Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:13 pm

I should have been clearer mate , I was taking the piss, re Bony, getting at the end of fuckign anything (The useless TIT) Cocacolajojo is a Bony defender and I wanted to highlight the fact. (He might have changed his stance now........eventually the penny drops with some fans)


TBF, if he played like he did at Swansea and we played to his strengths, we wouldn't be having this conversation. He didn't score the most goal in a 2014 (I think) by playing like has with us.

With that said, you gotta wonder if he'd ever be a good match for us (and why Txiki indulged Pellegrini). The big target man, as a type, is a liability for sides that want to compete for the highest honours IMO. When we're defending, everyone has to chip in and a player like Bony can't because they're too heavy. Zlatan works because he used to be a dribbler but was converted into a target man at Juventus and Inter so he sort of combines the two. Other than that, I don't think the out and out target man will help anyone win the Champion's league for the next few years. That is, unless Leicester starts a new trend, then the target man is the man to be.
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Postby Cocacolajojo1 » Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:18 pm

PS

Someone else said it earlier in this thread and I remember saying it at the Chelsea game: Dzeko would've thrived under how we played at the beginning of this season.
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Postby Wonderwall » Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:21 pm

In game play tactics. This is my biggest gripe with Pellers, I used to manage a youth team and reacted to the circumstances at all times.

if I was 1 goal ahead and it was heading into the final few minutes I would make sure my strikers defended the goal and I got everyman behind the ball, everyone back for set pieces.

If I was a goal behind, I would try and pressure the opposition in a defensive situation. E.G. The opposition have a free kick or corner, I would sent my speed merchants up towards 1/2 way and the rest of the team know to get the ball up the field in the quickest possible way and every one gets out ASAP.

This seems common sense to me? I dont understand why we bring every man behind the ball for a free kick in the closing stages when we need a goal. How many times have we seen Hart collect a catch and then have no outlet? We might as well take a chance and Tell Sergio and Navas to stay up, they are both 5' tall and not much use defensively anyway
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Postby Hazy2 » Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:30 pm

Cocacolajojo wrote:
I should have been clearer mate , I was taking the piss, re Bony, getting at the end of fuckign anything (The useless TIT) Cocacolajojo is a Bony defender and I wanted to highlight the fact. (He might have changed his stance now........eventually the penny drops with some fans)


TBF, if he played like he did at Swansea and we played to his strengths, we wouldn't be having this conversation. He didn't score the most goal in a 2014 (I think) by playing like has with us.

With that said, you gotta wonder if he'd ever be a good match for us (and why Txiki indulged Pellegrini). The big target man, as a type, is a liability for sides that want to compete for the highest honours IMO. When we're defending, everyone has to chip in and a player like Bony can't because they're too heavy. Zlatan works because he used to be a dribbler but was converted into a target man at Juventus and Inter so he sort of combines the two. Other than that, I don't think the out and out target man will help anyone win the Champion's league for the next few years. That is, unless Leicester starts a new trend, then the target man is the man to be.


Zlatan is a top class footballer, Bony is a 1 trick Pony !
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Postby iwasthere2012 » Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:32 pm

Cocacolajojo wrote:
I should have been clearer mate , I was taking the piss, re Bony, getting at the end of fuckign anything (The useless TIT) Cocacolajojo is a Bony defender and I wanted to highlight the fact. (He might have changed his stance now........eventually the penny drops with some fans)


TBF, if he played like he did at Swansea and we played to his strengths, we wouldn't be having this conversation. He didn't score the most goal in a 2014 (I think) by playing like has with us.

With that said, you gotta wonder if he'd ever be a good match for us (and why Txiki indulged Pellegrini). The big target man, as a type, is a liability for sides that want to compete for the highest honours IMO. When we're defending, everyone has to chip in and a player like Bony can't because they're too heavy. Zlatan works because he used to be a dribbler but was converted into a target man at Juventus and Inter so he sort of combines the two. Other than that, I don't think the out and out target man will help anyone win the Champion's league for the next few years. That is, unless Leicester starts a new trend, then the target man is the man to be.


Lewandowski got Bayern out of jail with that very tactic in the last round. They looked dead and buried and started whipping the ball into the box for him to get on the end of.
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Postby Cocacolajojo1 » Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:38 pm

Lewandowski got Bayern out of jail with that very tactic in the last round. They looked dead and buried and started whipping the ball into the box for him to get on the end of.


Yeah, I'm more talking about the type of Bony-Zigic-etc type of player. Mind, I'm not dissing crosses, long balls and using players as target men. I'm talking about the out and out target man. And, most teams don't aspire to win the CL so there's plenty of teams for these players to thrive in.
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Postby Hazy2 » Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:41 pm

The quality of crosses was on a dif level to anything we see at City, Bony got a decent ball V Villa from Glichy he missed a certain goal by a mile.
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Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:43 pm

What exactly are Bony's strengths? He is supposed to be good at holding the ball up, keeping defenders at bay and laying the ball off but he rarely does that to any good effect as he has no control and his short passing ability is very hit and miss even if does hold the ball.
He is supposed to be a good header of the ball and he will manage the occasional one but all I see is a lump competing for the ball and making it hard for the defender. Not a big strength for me at all.

His shooting ability is almost nil from what we have seen. He sometimes tries to pass the ball in and it ends up a pass back or on other occassions he tries to smash it and it's in row Z often off the wrong part of his boot.

Iheanacho is a miles better player who should have been used more but I would even have Nmecha before Bony. He is only 17 but I am convniced would be better for the team.
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Postby Hazy2 » Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:54 pm

From a scum player. United midfielder Jesse Lingard said: ‘Obviously we knew that lack of pace was one of their weaknesses, with Marcus’s pace running in behind and he has got his reward for it as well. ‘They are a difficult side to play against because they keep the ball very well, but go side to side. We exploited their weaknesses and we came away with the goal, which we knew would be crucial. We said at half time be smart and we win.
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Postby Wonderwall » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:12 pm

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:What exactly are Bony's strengths? He is supposed to be good at holding the ball up, keeping defenders at bay and laying the ball off but he rarely does that to any good effect as he has no control and his short passing ability is very hit and miss even if does hold the ball.
He is supposed to be a good header of the ball and he will manage the occasional one but all I see is a lump competing for the ball and making it hard for the defender. Not a big strength for me at all.

His shooting ability is almost nil from what we have seen. He sometimes tries to pass the ball in and it ends up a pass back or on other occassions he tries to smash it and it's in row Z often off the wrong part of his boot.

Iheanacho is a miles better player who should have been used more but I would even have Nmecha before Bony. He is only 17 but I am convniced would be better for the team.


I too would have Kelechi instead of Bony. It is going to be interesting how Pep sees it next season as Both Kelechi AND Bony will be off on AFCON duty in January. Leaves us with an injury prone Sergio on his own for a month?
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Postby Dameerto » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:42 pm

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:What exactly are Bony's strengths? He is supposed to be good at holding the ball up, keeping defenders at bay and laying the ball off but he rarely does that to any good effect as he has no control and his short passing ability is very hit and miss even if does hold the ball.
He is supposed to be a good header of the ball and he will manage the occasional one but all I see is a lump competing for the ball and making it hard for the defender. Not a big strength for me at all.

His shooting ability is almost nil from what we have seen. He sometimes tries to pass the ball in and it ends up a pass back or on other occassions he tries to smash it and it's in row Z often off the wrong part of his boot.

Iheanacho is a miles better player who should have been used more but I would even have Nmecha before Bony. He is only 17 but I am convniced would be better for the team.

He briefly showed some promise when he played with his back to goal and got a few assists with short layoffs to whoever was in close support - but we stopped using him like that (or he was coached out of doing it).
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Postby sheblue » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:51 pm

Hazy2 wrote:From a scum player. United midfielder Jesse Lingard said: ‘Obviously we knew that lack of pace was one of their weaknesses, with Marcus’s pace running in behind and he has got his reward for it as well. ‘They are a difficult side to play against because they keep the ball very well, but go side to side. We exploited their weaknesses and we came away with the goal, which we knew would be crucial. We said at half time be smart and we win.



The problem is we could all see it before the game, except for one very important person. We could have all written that script.
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Postby sheblue » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:53 pm

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Douglas Higginbottom wrote:What exactly are Bony's strengths? He is supposed to be good at holding the ball up, keeping defenders at bay and laying the ball off but he rarely does that to any good effect as he has no control and his short passing ability is very hit and miss even if does hold the ball.
He is supposed to be a good header of the ball and he will manage the occasional one but all I see is a lump competing for the ball and making it hard for the defender. Not a big strength for me at all.

His shooting ability is almost nil from what we have seen. He sometimes tries to pass the ball in and it ends up a pass back or on other occassions he tries to smash it and it's in row Z often off the wrong part of his boot.

Iheanacho is a miles better player who should have been used more but I would even have Nmecha before Bony. He is only 17 but I am convniced would be better for the team.


I too would have Kelechi instead of Bony. It is going to be interesting how Pep sees it next season as Both Kelechi AND Bony will be off on AFCON duty in January. Leaves us with an injury prone Sergio on his own for a month?


OMG not that African cup shite again next season, AGHHHHH I will tear my hair out, not for losing Bony but loosing Ian, who will surely be a major piece on the chess-board next season.
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Postby iwasthere2012 » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:56 pm

Hazy2 wrote:The quality of crosses was on a dif level to anything we see at City, Bony got a decent ball V Villa from Glichy he missed a certain goal by a mile.


The quality of the crossing was fabulous and it showed that when push came to shove Bayern were well capable of being devastating with a change of tactic and the same players, more or less, on the park. Coman certainly made a difference. But The Big Pole was getting nowhere with the Italian defence until they changed tact and started bombarding their box. Pinpoint crosses to him and Muller. Game over.
If you have the personnel that can do it so well, it can work.
This is obviously so different to the aerial bombardment you would normally see the likes of the rags and Bogbrush attempting.
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Postby Hazy2 » Mon Mar 21, 2016 5:08 pm

iwasthere2012 wrote:
Hazy2 wrote:The quality of crosses was on a dif level to anything we see at City, Bony got a decent ball V Villa from Glichy he missed a certain goal by a mile.


The quality of the crossing was fabulous and it showed that when push came to shove Bayern were well capable of being devastating with a change of tactic and the same players, more or less, on the park. Coman certainly made a difference. But The Big Pole was getting nowhere with the Italian defence until they changed tact and started bombarding their box. Pinpoint crosses to him and Muller. Game over.
If you have the personnel that can do it so well, it can work.
This is obviously so different to the aerial bombardment you would normally see the likes of the rags and Bogbrush attempting.


When it's on the line mate, top teams similarity to us, with manager at the exit door, they get it done, and let's not forget both centre halfs were missing an Robben plus Thiago did not either start or play. Juve got no luck but Bayern were ruthless once they had the momentum. Another thing we are not is clinical. Pep will change a lot stuff here.
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Postby Moonchesteri » Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:17 pm

South Stand Balti wrote:Bournemouth away just before the Paris game. Expect Yaya etc to be rested and another league defeat. We have no chance of top 4 with MP in charge.


We are 100% throwing away that game too. Doesn't matter if we put the "best" players there or not their minds will be elsewhere (but just wait for interviews where they will tell they're taking one game at a time, full focus on Bournemouth etc etc before they go out there not giving a fuck)

When we crash out from CL we will start to win games but by then it might be too late.
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