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Re: PV 2 NYCFC

Postby DoomMerchant » Mon Nov 09, 2015 8:47 pm

PrezIke wrote:Yet, to me, the stadium issue is a deterrent. I'd have liked to have gone this past season but I don't like the idea of paying so much for tickets in a stadium that has the kinds of views that you are forced to get unless you pay a lot of money. What they are going to do about this is also complicated as NYC has a serious real estate problem regarding space, and impact (i.e. overcrowding/gentrification) that is constantly on the mind of its residents, and current government. They need a real place to play, and how that will happen in NYC is a major question mark.


it's absolute shit stadium for footy. And fans of the team who aren't historically City fans are complete dickwads.

NYCFC can go fuck itself, sideways.

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Re: PV 2 NYCFC

Postby iwasthere2012 » Mon Nov 09, 2015 8:51 pm

Wonderwall wrote:I am not convinced by paddy v as a manager. He has left me wondering wtf he was thinking at many a youth game.

I will be very interested to see how he gets on at nycfc. I hope he does great but I wouldn't bet on it.

I know what you mean. I often thought the excuse of player development over results at EDS level could mask deficiency in the manager rather than the players.
At least at this level, he will be tested at game management and ability to get results with whatever he has available to him.
The same will go for whoever goes over on loan. They will be expected to play his way but also manage a game as it plays out. Results are expected.
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Re: PV 2 NYCFC

Postby dazby » Mon Nov 09, 2015 8:55 pm

They should build a stadium on top of the Empire State Building. Or the top of Donald Trumps head. It to be moe practical knock over the Seinfeld restaurant and do it there.

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Re: PV 2 NYCFC

Postby Beefymcfc » Mon Nov 09, 2015 9:42 pm

The family own loads of land in and around New York and will build when ready. To start they realise that tapping into the current NY populous by using their stadium will bring greater benefits down the line.
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Re: PV 2 NYCFC

Postby getdressedmctavish » Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:04 pm

Watch it a fair bit on tele. Its fucking shite. I don't think its a great move for Patrick at all. Bares no relation to top level football anywhere as far as I can see.(have I got the right bare)
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Re: PV 2 NYCFC

Postby AG7 » Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:17 pm

getdressedmctavish wrote:Watch it a fair bit on tele. Its fucking shite. I don't think its a great move for Patrick at all. Bares no relation to top level football anywhere as far as I can see.(have I got the right bare)


No sir, you haven't; it has only 'bared' your grasp on the language ;)

As for the real issue at hand ... I am not sure what to think of the appointment. I thought he'd step up to be the no. 2 to Gurdiola in summer, three years his assistant and then ready to step up ...

But this might actually work out better for us ... we get to test him at full manager level and if he cuts it, he comes back to Manchester as no. 2 to Pep ... he doesn't cut it, then he go to Arsenal and take over from when Wenger retires ...
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Re: PV 2 NYCFC

Postby nottsblue » Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:27 pm

From the sounds of it, managing an MLS team is not a brilliant job. Is this an actual step up from his current position? Would he not have been better off going to a Huddersfield or a Fulham or a Barnsley?
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Re: PV 2 NYCFC

Postby halnone » Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:59 pm

DoomMerchant wrote:
PrezIke wrote:Yet, to me, the stadium issue is a deterrent. I'd have liked to have gone this past season but I don't like the idea of paying so much for tickets in a stadium that has the kinds of views that you are forced to get unless you pay a lot of money. What they are going to do about this is also complicated as NYC has a serious real estate problem regarding space, and impact (i.e. overcrowding/gentrification) that is constantly on the mind of its residents, and current government. They need a real place to play, and how that will happen in NYC is a major question mark.


it's absolute shit stadium for footy. And fans of the team who aren't historically City fans are complete dickwads.

NYCFC can go fuck itself, sideways.

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It's not ideal, but it's not as bad as you're making it seem. I had a decent view when I went in March
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Re: PV 2 NYCFC

Postby phips » Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:40 am

supposedly the US fans aren't happy with this and liked Kreis and feel like City are meddling too much
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Re: PV 2 NYCFC

Postby halnone » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:08 am

phips wrote:supposedly the US fans aren't happy with this and liked Kreis and feel like City are meddling too much


http://nycfcforums.com/index.php?thread ... oach.3897/

take a look yourself. seems the majority of supporters are excited. fair share of cunts as well though
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Re: PV 2 NYCFC

Postby Mase » Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:12 am

halnone wrote:
phips wrote:supposedly the US fans aren't happy with this and liked Kreis and feel like City are meddling too much


http://nycfcforums.com/index.php?thread ... oach.3897/

take a look yourself. seems the majority of supporters are excited. fair share of cunts as well though


Same with the Yanks on this forum as well then.
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Re: PV 2 NYCFC

Postby Alioune DVToure » Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:14 am

The MLS is coming in for some stick here but I honestly don't think it's that bad. I've been to 4 or 5 games live (Philadelphia Union) and watch it on TV a lot when I'm over in the States. The better sides (NYRB, LAG etc) would probably finish about half way up the Championship; the worst teams would be League One also-rans. Maybe it's a similar standard to the top two divisions in Scotland, if we take Celtic out of the equation.

The main problem, for me, is the gulf in quality within squads themselves. Most squads are packed with decent-if-not-great players and have one talisman (Henry, Drogba, Kaka, Villa etc). This makes them a bit disjointed. Galaxy ran the show for years when they had Beckham, Donovan and Keane and a few other decent players, but the 'star player' thing doesn't work so well when said player is surrounded by mediocrity. Some of the sides need to think more carefully about how they can fit a European star player into their settled team rather that just signing the biggest name they can and trying to build a team around them. Another problem with this is that the star players tend to be 32+ and only have a bit of time left in them anyway.

Standards are improving, though, and it's a really fun evening out. Crucially, the fans are having it. 20,000-seater modern-but-traditional (as in, footy-specific) grounds routinely sell out, so it's not like going to a lower-league game over here. The atmosphere is impressive. I think the powers have got it almost right. Widening participation will improve grassroots quality, which might enable them to attract players from Europe at the peak of their powers.
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Re: PV 2 NYCFC

Postby lets all have a disco » Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:04 am

Oh the pain for Paddy.

Paddy want to be Head Coach? Where? New York,How Much? oh a few million a season.

......Soriano looks and Paddy has already packed a case.
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Re: PV 2 NYCFC

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:31 am

phips wrote:supposedly the US fans aren't happy with this and liked Kreis and feel like City are meddling too much


City meddling too much in their own affairs? How dare they! Fucking weird some of these NYCFC fans.
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Re: PV 2 NYCFC

Postby sheblue » Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:49 am

a huge backward step for him.
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Re: PV 2 NYCFC

Postby DoomMerchant » Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:43 am

halnone wrote:
phips wrote:supposedly the US fans aren't happy with this and liked Kreis and feel like City are meddling too much


http://nycfcforums.com/index.php?thread ... oach.3897/

take a look yourself. seems the majority of supporters are excited. fair share of cunts as well though


Phipstardo is correctomundo tho gents. The general vibe that has been vocal at least has been pro-Kreis and anti-City. Paddy will soften that sentiment for most but prior two weeks has been fairly anti-City about unreasonable expectations from one of the best managers they coulee had in Kreis etc.

And to the point about MLS experiences....going to a match in Orlando is the closest I've come to an English footballing experience in terms of scope and scale and entertainment. Portland and Seattle are there as well. Most are shit. I've never seen a football match at Yankees stadium but I've also never sucked a cock or injected Heroin. Those are mutually exclusive life experiences I would hope.

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Re: PV 2 NYCFC

Postby Alioune DVToure » Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:28 pm

DoomMerchant wrote:
halnone wrote:
phips wrote:supposedly the US fans aren't happy with this and liked Kreis and feel like City are meddling too much


http://nycfcforums.com/index.php?thread ... oach.3897/

take a look yourself. seems the majority of supporters are excited. fair share of cunts as well though


Phipstardo is correctomundo tho gents. The general vibe that has been vocal at least has been pro-Kreis and anti-City. Paddy will soften that sentiment for most but prior two weeks has been fairly anti-City about unreasonable expectations from one of the best managers they coulee had in Kreis etc.

And to the point about MLS experiences....going to a match in Orlando is the closest I've come to an English footballing experience in terms of scope and scale and entertainment. Portland and Seattle are there as well. Most are shit. I've never seen a football match at Yankees stadium but I've also never sucked a cock or injected Heroin. Those are mutually exclusive life experiences I would hope.

Cheers


Philly is decent (even though the team is perennially poor). Check it out next time you're in the NE. PPL Park is a cool little ground. The stadium has to be footy-specific or it's not the same.
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Re: PV 2 NYCFC

Postby CTID Hants » Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:56 pm

nottsblue wrote:From the sounds of it, managing an MLS team is not a brilliant job. Is this an actual step up from his current position? Would he not have been better off going to a Huddersfield or a Fulham or a Barnsley?


Yes i honestly think it is a step up.

Without wanting to demean the Academy, the role there is more about nurturing the players and getting them playing the "holistic" way that club is using as the blueprint. Yes the EDS and U's play competitive games but they don't really count for anything except bragging rights?

By going to NYCFC he will have the pressure that comes with being the manager where results really do count and at the same time be able to carry on the way he has in the academy i.e. holistically with full support of the board (funny that).

If he went to Huddersfield etc he might be forced by the chairman/board to deviate from what City want from him in the future?
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Re: PV 2 NYCFC

Postby bigblue » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:23 pm

Alioune DVToure wrote:The MLS is coming in for some stick here but I honestly don't think it's that bad. I've been to 4 or 5 games live (Philadelphia Union) and watch it on TV a lot when I'm over in the States. The better sides (NYRB, LAG etc) would probably finish about half way up the Championship; the worst teams would be League One also-rans. Maybe it's a similar standard to the top two divisions in Scotland, if we take Celtic out of the equation.

The main problem, for me, is the gulf in quality within squads themselves. Most squads are packed with decent-if-not-great players and have one talisman (Henry, Drogba, Kaka, Villa etc). This makes them a bit disjointed. Galaxy ran the show for years when they had Beckham, Donovan and Keane and a few other decent players, but the 'star player' thing doesn't work so well when said player is surrounded by mediocrity. Some of the sides need to think more carefully about how they can fit a European star player into their settled team rather that just signing the biggest name they can and trying to build a team around them. Another problem with this is that the star players tend to be 32+ and only have a bit of time left in them anyway.

Standards are improving, though, and it's a really fun evening out. Crucially, the fans are having it. 20,000-seater modern-but-traditional (as in, footy-specific) grounds routinely sell out, so it's not like going to a lower-league game over here. The atmosphere is impressive. I think the powers have got it almost right. Widening participation will improve grassroots quality, which might enable them to attract players from Europe at the peak of their powers.


I've been to a few games on and off since 1995 and it has been getting better. The main problem (and NYCFC has been a prime example) is a complete lack of organization. The players individually are talented and very athletic. But players can't make the correct decisions on the ball or organize a defense to save their lives. Maybe it has to do with the difference in quality within squads, but I believe the problem is much more endemic (as in a continuation from the youth system, USSF training of coaches, etc...). Keep in mind the league has an interest in high scoring, exciting games to boost attendances.

In regards to fans it's getting better as well and the MLS is doing a good job to pull in all those futbol loving latinos over here. At lease in DC, they make up most of the support. DC united regularly plays friendly against Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala with ~90% of the fans in the stadium being from the 'visiting' country. Marketing to moms and dads whose kids play youth soccer will only get you so far.

Paddy V has a big job ahead of him since NYCFC's defending has been atrocious (marginally worse than everyone else).
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Re: PV 2 NYCFC

Postby Crossie » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:35 pm

This is good, it keeps him in the "club".

Let him get 3 years experience whilst we probably get Pep or (possibly better) keep Pellers for another 3 years. Then bring back Paddy V to the parent club, he'll have perfected his managerial technique across the pond and we're all happy.

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