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Re: Finishing 4th?

Postby Mikhail Chigorin » Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:46 am

Beefymcfc wrote:
mr_nool wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:The BBC have asked their pundits to predict the outcome of this years PL. The average result looks like this:

Chelsea
Arsenal
Rags
City

Had to rub my eyes as the best team over the last 5 years but we are now predicted to come fourth, with the Rags, who I don't think have strengthened, coming above us?

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You don't think Schneidersteiger is an improvement of their midfield?
I think they are idiots to get rid of di Maria, but he wasn't contributing last seasons, so in that respect they haven't got weaker. RvP was over the hill, so real loss there either ... I think the scum look dangerous this season (it pains me to say). I still think we will end up above them, mind.

If they lose the donut thief then I'd say they are definitely weaker. Do Maria is a class player and I'm glad he's gone and with falcao gone we'll have to see if he becomes the player he once was, just a little pissed he went to the chavs.

And although I like the pig fucker there is a huge element of risk, confirmed by PGs recent comments. The rest are on trial and the only exception I'll put to my original statement would be the money they bring in on the 2 deals and how they further strengthen. At present I'd put them on par with the Dippers, fighting for the Wenger Trophy.

However, 4th for us is just not taking anything binto account and just playing up to the old Sky 4 bullshit. I prefer to see what the bookies say, at least they have an element of objectivity.


Beefy old pal, I'm not playing up to anything other than trying to be totally realistic.

Apart from the Aguero/Bony concern, we don't know what sort of season PabZab is going to have, although the portents may not be too promising if he's now in decline.

Sagna is also a spent force and Kolarov doesn't justify his place in the team, based upon all the negative attributes he displays. Clichy can be solid enough, given a lengthy run in the side, but he's not going to set the world on fire, in an attacking sense, down the left

Kompany is an accident waiting to happen in every game and Mangala gives me the shudders (he might, conceivably, be better at left back, rather than in the middle).

Yaya, in spite of all his periodic spouting, is always liable to go missing in any game and fail to put in consistent levels of performances overall.

Nasri is so erratic and of questionable mental strength, whilst Fernando is a complete mystery as to what he brings to the table. Delph looks as though he has all the makings of being another sick-note, whilst Fernandinho, at the age of thirty, might find his best days are all behind him.

That leaves a heavy burden to fall upon the shoulders of old man DeMichelis, together with Silva and Sterling (and Joe, providing his head - and shoulders - is right) and will be a lot to ask for any youngsters who might be drafted in this season to fill the gaps.


I hope I'm totally wrong and that our rapidly ageing and declining squad has a brilliant and injury free 'Indian Summer' before finally being dismantled, to be completely rebuilt, by the [putative] new manager who will likely be coming in from the following season.

I just can't see it however and, on that basis and no matter how unpalatable it may be, I feel the best we can hope for is to finish fourth.
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Re: Finishing 4th?

Postby clippo22 » Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:47 am

To be honest it makes a nice change from being expected to win the league and being beaten with a stick when we don't retain it. Maybe a little less pressure from the media will benefit us?

I still think we will be challenging right to the end as will Chelsea and arsenal, Scum will confortably get 4th but not do enough worry the top 3. Can't really separate us, arse and chavs.

I'm a bit more optimistic than some on here by the looks of it though!
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Re: Finishing 4th?

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:52 am

Pass the noose Mikhail, fuckin' hell mate.
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Re: Finishing 4th?

Postby Beefymcfc » Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:07 am

Mikhail Chigorin wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:
mr_nool wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:The BBC have asked their pundits to predict the outcome of this years PL. The average result looks like this:

Chelsea
Arsenal
Rags
City

Had to rub my eyes as the best team over the last 5 years but we are now predicted to come fourth, with the Rags, who I don't think have strengthened, coming above us?

Premier League Predictions


You don't think Schneidersteiger is an improvement of their midfield?
I think they are idiots to get rid of di Maria, but he wasn't contributing last seasons, so in that respect they haven't got weaker. RvP was over the hill, so real loss there either ... I think the scum look dangerous this season (it pains me to say). I still think we will end up above them, mind.

If they lose the donut thief then I'd say they are definitely weaker. Do Maria is a class player and I'm glad he's gone and with falcao gone we'll have to see if he becomes the player he once was, just a little pissed he went to the chavs.

And although I like the pig fucker there is a huge element of risk, confirmed by PGs recent comments. The rest are on trial and the only exception I'll put to my original statement would be the money they bring in on the 2 deals and how they further strengthen. At present I'd put them on par with the Dippers, fighting for the Wenger Trophy.

However, 4th for us is just not taking anything binto account and just playing up to the old Sky 4 bullshit. I prefer to see what the bookies say, at least they have an element of objectivity.


Beefy old pal, I'm not playing up to anything other than trying to be totally realistic.

Apart from the Aguero/Bony concern, we don't know what sort of season PabZab is going to have, although the portents may not be too promising if he's now in decline.

Sagna is also a spent force and Kolarov doesn't justify his place in the team, based upon all the negative attributes he displays. Clichy can be solid enough, given a lengthy run in the side, but he's not going to set the world on fire, in an attacking sense, down the left

Kompany is an accident waiting to happen in every game and Mangala gives me the shudders (he might, conceivably, be better at left back, rather than in the middle).

Yaya, in spite of all his periodic spouting, is always liable to go missing in any game and fail to put in consistent levels of performances overall.

Nasri is so erratic and of questionable mental strength, whilst Fernando is a complete mystery as to what he brings to the table. Delph looks as though he has all the makings of being another sick-note, whilst Fernandinho, at the age of thirty, might find his best days are all behind him.

That leaves a heavy burden to fall upon the shoulders of old man DeMichelis, together with Silva and Sterling (and Joe, providing his head - and shoulders - is right) and will be a lot to ask for any youngsters who might be drafted in this season to fill the gaps.


I hope I'm totally wrong and that our rapidly ageing and declining squad has a brilliant and injury free 'Indian Summer' before finally being dismantled, to be completely rebuilt, by the [putative] new manager who will likely be coming in from the following season.

I just can't see it however and, on that basis and no matter how unpalatable it may be, I feel the best we can hope for is to finish fourth.

Mate, I'll leave you to your thoughts as I couldn't actually answer your concerns on nearly every one of our best players.

You could also say that injury and form are a concern for every club and the same could happen to just about every club.

You seem to be saying that we've written the season off in preparation for a new manager (Pep?) But it doesn't work like that. If anything, and if we new He was coming, TB would be doing everything he can to get his players in and ready for the changeover.

If you're right though, somebody better have a word in Khaldoon's ear as he must be strictly off-message.
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Re: Finishing 4th?

Postby everyonehatesus » Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:56 am

With us being tipped anywhere between 4th and 6th because we havent improved the squad and the pundits thinking we were nothing short off shit the end of last season our odds must be good so worrh a punt. I dont see us winning to be honest but 3rd looks about right.
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Re: Finishing 4th?

Postby dave watson's perm » Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:07 pm

clippo22 wrote: being beaten with a stick when we don't retain it


Whilst I totally agree with you, I imagine we will be beaten with a stick even if we do finish 4th (probably a stick with a nail in it as well). Every sentence from those pundits will have the same old cliche in it of "with the money City have spent..................etc"

Mind you, the pressure is all on Chelsea this season and we know that Maureen tends not to cope when the heat is on. I still believe if we had put up more of a fight in the run-in last season they would have buckled.

It's going to be a funny old season.....................
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Re: Finishing 4th?

Postby PrezIke » Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:54 pm

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blo ... redictions

Well, seems two Guardian writers actually have picked us to win the league (Daniel Taylor, Barney Rownay).
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Re: Finishing 4th?

Postby bigblue » Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:03 pm

PrezIke wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/aug/05/premier-league-2015-16-season-predictions

Well, seems two Guardian writers actually have picked us to win the league (Daniel Taylor, Barney Rownay).


I think Louis Taylor is on crack. Or just doesn't give a shit at all. This year's predictions:

Title winners - Arsenal
Player of the Season - Aaron Ramsey
Surprise of the Season - Stoke City
Signing of the season - Yohan Cabaye just takes it over Stewart Downing (?!?! what the fuck)
Young Player of the year - Rolando Aarons
Relegated- Norwich, Bournemouth and Watford.


Louise Taylor's last year's predictions:

Title winners - Liverpool
Player of the Season - Robin Van Persie
Surprise of the Season - Newcastle Utd
Signing of the season - Jack Rodwell
Young Player of the year - Rolando Aarons
Relegated- QPR, Leicester, West Brom.


And 2 years ago:

Title winners - Tottenham. Europa League involvement and the potential loss of Gareth Bale are worries but Roberto Soldado and Paulinho look excellent signings and AVB is a class coach.
Player of the Season - Hatem Ben Arfa
Signing of the season - Paulinho
Young Player of the year - Philippe Coutinho
Manager to Watch: Paolo Di Canio


They might as well have phips, milnersjaw, PALUS, and raghater giving predictions
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Re: Finishing 4th?

Postby phips » Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:25 pm

well we haven't improved since last season so im not surprised
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Re: Finishing 4th?

Postby DoomMerchant » Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:36 pm

phips wrote:well we haven't improved since last season so im not surprised


we have improved tho. Sterling is amazing. How can this team WITH him in it not be better? A: They can't, cuz they are.

Delph is a tidy player who will make a difference.

New youth injection looks promising as well.

Mangala a full season, and he's not some mug that many would have you believe. He's going to be fantastic.

Yes we need 1 more big signing and some housekeeping signings (maybe 2 depending on outgoings) but it's fucking the 5th of August. I may not be happy with the speed of our transactions this summer, but i've still got a glimmer of hope that we're getting more folks in and will be even better than the better that we are now. I'd like them sooner rather than later just like the rest of us.

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Re: Finishing 4th?

Postby bigblue » Wed Aug 05, 2015 2:18 pm

agree and don't forget about fernando coming back fresh in his 2nd season. If he can play like he did for Porto, (plus a rested Yaya after his first full preseason in 3 years) we'll have our center mid problems 95% solved.
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Re: Finishing 4th?

Postby london blue 2 » Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:29 pm

And Nasri is gonna be like a new signing...



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Re: Finishing 4th?

Postby nottsblue » Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:45 pm

Wouldn't be the end of the world. Got to say if someone offered fourth, a pot and getting to qtrs in Champs League i'd take it.

Even fourth with no pot but a right good go in Champs League with the academy providing four or five players, I'd consider acceptable.

Lets remember there are five teams going for fourth, six if we include spuds and most have bought better than us up to now. Would be amazed if we finished outside top four mind, but it is not a right.
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Re: Finishing 4th?

Postby Original Dub » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:11 pm

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They might as well have phips, milnersjaw, PALUS, and raghater giving predictions[/quote]

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Re: Finishing 4th?

Postby I Just Blue Myself » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:19 pm

bigblue wrote:
PrezIke wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/aug/05/premier-league-2015-16-season-predictions

Well, seems two Guardian writers actually have picked us to win the league (Daniel Taylor, Barney Rownay).


I think Louis Taylor is on crack. Or just doesn't give a shit at all.


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Re: Finishing 4th?

Postby Beefymcfc » Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:26 pm

Just looking at Falcao, he's looking a bit of a nuisance, like our Sergio. I think he's more confident with his injury.
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Re: Finishing 4th?

Postby zuricity » Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:39 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:Just looking at Falcao, he's looking a bit of a nuisance, like our Sergio. I think he's more confident with his injury.


I'm watching Bayern vs Real Madrid in the Audi cup final. With a Ref from Munich( or should I say München ?) and he just denied the most blatant Penalty appeal against Boateng in the 44th minute. Isco is looking good though , very impressed with him so far. Still worth a punt i think. He seems to be very robust now and is very strong on the ball today.
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Re: Finishing 4th?

Postby kinkylola » Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:56 pm

zuricity wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:Just looking at Falcao, he's looking a bit of a nuisance, like our Sergio. I think he's more confident with his injury.


I'm watching Bayern vs Real Madrid in the Audi cup final. With a Ref from Munich( or should I say München ?) and he just denied the most blatant Penalty appeal against Boateng in the 44th minute. Isco is looking good though , very impressed with him so far. Still worth a punt i think. He seems to be very robust now and is very strong on the ball today.


If madrid are ever daft enough to even think about letting Isco get unsettled, I would want us to go for him in a heartbeat. He is a natural and his ability is out of this world. He is a player that I 100% want to see at city.

re: predictions of 4th. I'm happy to have everyone count us out of a title race ... if they think sterling isn't going to succeed at City they are smoking crack, but I'm happy for them to think it. They're also about to see an explosion of young talent that has not been matched in the PL in a long time, and honestly I don't think they'll know how to handle it when they do.

I think this season is going to hold a lot of joy for us as a club, outside of finishing 1st or 4th, and I am fucking ready to go!
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Re: Finishing 4th?

Postby patrickblue » Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:00 pm

mr_nool wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:The BBC have asked their pundits to predict the outcome of this years PL. The average result looks like this:

Chelsea
Arsenal
Rags
City

Had to rub my eyes as the best team over the last 5 years but we are now predicted to come fourth, with the Rags, who I don't think have strengthened, coming above us?

Premier League Predictions


You don't think Schneidersteiger is an improvement of their midfield?
I think they are idiots to get rid of di Maria, but he wasn't contributing last seasons, so in that respect they haven't got weaker. RvP was over the hill, so real loss there either ... I think the scum look dangerous this season (it pains me to say). I still think we will end up above them, mind.


Schneidersteiger hasn't been fit for three seasons according to Pep.
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Re: Finishing 4th?

Postby PrezIke » Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:01 pm

Mikhail Chigorin wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:
mr_nool wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:The BBC have asked their pundits to predict the outcome of this years PL. The average result looks like this:

Chelsea
Arsenal
Rags
City

Had to rub my eyes as the best team over the last 5 years but we are now predicted to come fourth, with the Rags, who I don't think have strengthened, coming above us?

Premier League Predictions


You don't think Schneidersteiger is an improvement of their midfield?
I think they are idiots to get rid of di Maria, but he wasn't contributing last seasons, so in that respect they haven't got weaker. RvP was over the hill, so real loss there either ... I think the scum look dangerous this season (it pains me to say). I still think we will end up above them, mind.

If they lose the donut thief then I'd say they are definitely weaker. Do Maria is a class player and I'm glad he's gone and with falcao gone we'll have to see if he becomes the player he once was, just a little pissed he went to the chavs.

And although I like the pig fucker there is a huge element of risk, confirmed by PGs recent comments. The rest are on trial and the only exception I'll put to my original statement would be the money they bring in on the 2 deals and how they further strengthen. At present I'd put them on par with the Dippers, fighting for the Wenger Trophy.

However, 4th for us is just not taking anything binto account and just playing up to the old Sky 4 bullshit. I prefer to see what the bookies say, at least they have an element of objectivity.


Beefy old pal, I'm not playing up to anything other than trying to be totally realistic.

Apart from the Aguero/Bony concern, we don't know what sort of season PabZab is going to have, although the portents may not be too promising if he's now in decline.

Sagna is also a spent force and Kolarov doesn't justify his place in the team, based upon all the negative attributes he displays. Clichy can be solid enough, given a lengthy run in the side, but he's not going to set the world on fire, in an attacking sense, down the left

Kompany is an accident waiting to happen in every game and Mangala gives me the shudders (he might, conceivably, be better at left back, rather than in the middle).

Yaya, in spite of all his periodic spouting, is always liable to go missing in any game and fail to put in consistent levels of performances overall.

Nasri is so erratic and of questionable mental strength, whilst Fernando is a complete mystery as to what he brings to the table. Delph looks as though he has all the makings of being another sick-note, whilst Fernandinho, at the age of thirty, might find his best days are all behind him.

That leaves a heavy burden to fall upon the shoulders of old man DeMichelis, together with Silva and Sterling (and Joe, providing his head - and shoulders - is right) and will be a lot to ask for any youngsters who might be drafted in this season to fill the gaps.


I hope I'm totally wrong and that our rapidly ageing and declining squad has a brilliant and injury free 'Indian Summer' before finally being dismantled, to be completely rebuilt, by the [putative] new manager who will likely be coming in from the following season.

I just can't see it however and, on that basis and no matter how unpalatable it may be, I feel the best we can hope for is to finish fourth.


And yet the same team finished 2nd last season and now we have sterling instead of Navas and likely KDB as well.

Id get Arsenal ahead perhaps, but ManU??
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