Wonderwall wrote:I dont see any reason why this could not be brought in and used perfectly well. I think that the games of Rugby and Cricket have been enhanced by the review system. There would need to be very clear rules though.*Who can review?
*How long should each review take?
*Should the clock be stopped?
*There should be no appeal on the outcome of the decision, ala JohnTerry and crew surrounding the ref feeling hard done to!
*Rules should be in place for allowing the game to flow until a natural stoppage before review, thus stopping coaches from influencing counter attacks.
*If a flag/review is raised, and the passage of play continues and a goal is scored, this means.
A- the appealing teams goal will count if they win or lose the appeal (unless an infringement is found on the appeal footage that wasnt called for originally.
B- the opposition of the appeals goal will count if the appeal is lost
C- the opposition of the appeals goal will not count if the appeal is upheld
*The opposition is not allowed to intervene in the appeal process, its not their appeal and therefore they have no say in what is being reviewed
Just a few for the list but its all fairly simple and common sense IMO
iwasthere2012 wrote:Wonderwall wrote:I dont see any reason why this could not be brought in and used perfectly well. I think that the games of Rugby and Cricket have been enhanced by the review system. There would need to be very clear rules though.*Who can review?
*How long should each review take?
*Should the clock be stopped?
*There should be no appeal on the outcome of the decision, ala JohnTerry and crew surrounding the ref feeling hard done to!
*Rules should be in place for allowing the game to flow until a natural stoppage before review, thus stopping coaches from influencing counter attacks.
*If a flag/review is raised, and the passage of play continues and a goal is scored, this means.
A- the appealing teams goal will count if they win or lose the appeal (unless an infringement is found on the appeal footage that wasnt called for originally.
B- the opposition of the appeals goal will count if the appeal is lost
C- the opposition of the appeals goal will not count if the appeal is upheld
*The opposition is not allowed to intervene in the appeal process, its not their appeal and therefore they have no say in what is being reviewed
Just a few for the list but its all fairly simple and common sense IMO
This is much more in line with what I was thinking. Very Good. Did you come up with this or was it buried somewhere in the BBC article.
This is much more like the Rugby model, which works very well and keeps the game flowing until a natural break. The advantage system works quite well too. This could help eradicate the blight on the game which is, the likes of Terry and team or Rooney/Rio etc in seasons past badgering the ref as a tactic.
A sin bin for this kind of behaviour could sort that out too.
Ted Hughes wrote:iwasthere2012 wrote:Wonderwall wrote:I dont see any reason why this could not be brought in and used perfectly well. I think that the games of Rugby and Cricket have been enhanced by the review system. There would need to be very clear rules though.*Who can review?
*How long should each review take?
*Should the clock be stopped?
*There should be no appeal on the outcome of the decision, ala JohnTerry and crew surrounding the ref feeling hard done to!
*Rules should be in place for allowing the game to flow until a natural stoppage before review, thus stopping coaches from influencing counter attacks.
*If a flag/review is raised, and the passage of play continues and a goal is scored, this means.
A- the appealing teams goal will count if they win or lose the appeal (unless an infringement is found on the appeal footage that wasnt called for originally.
B- the opposition of the appeals goal will count if the appeal is lost
C- the opposition of the appeals goal will not count if the appeal is upheld
*The opposition is not allowed to intervene in the appeal process, its not their appeal and therefore they have no say in what is being reviewed
Just a few for the list but its all fairly simple and common sense IMO
This is much more in line with what I was thinking. Very Good. Did you come up with this or was it buried somewhere in the BBC article.
This is much more like the Rugby model, which works very well and keeps the game flowing until a natural break. The advantage system works quite well too. This could help eradicate the blight on the game which is, the likes of Terry and team or Rooney/Rio etc in seasons past badgering the ref as a tactic.
A sin bin for this kind of behaviour could sort that out too.
You absolutely can't have the game continuing while a review is taking place. The possibilities for abuse & incompetence are absolutely terrifying.
Ted Hughes wrote:iwasthere2012 wrote:Wonderwall wrote:I dont see any reason why this could not be brought in and used perfectly well. I think that the games of Rugby and Cricket have been enhanced by the review system. There would need to be very clear rules though.*Who can review?
*How long should each review take?
*Should the clock be stopped?
*There should be no appeal on the outcome of the decision, ala JohnTerry and crew surrounding the ref feeling hard done to!
*Rules should be in place for allowing the game to flow until a natural stoppage before review, thus stopping coaches from influencing counter attacks.
*If a flag/review is raised, and the passage of play continues and a goal is scored, this means.
A- the appealing teams goal will count if they win or lose the appeal (unless an infringement is found on the appeal footage that wasnt called for originally.
B- the opposition of the appeals goal will count if the appeal is lost
C- the opposition of the appeals goal will not count if the appeal is upheld
*The opposition is not allowed to intervene in the appeal process, its not their appeal and therefore they have no say in what is being reviewed
Just a few for the list but its all fairly simple and common sense IMO
This is much more in line with what I was thinking. Very Good. Did you come up with this or was it buried somewhere in the BBC article.
This is much more like the Rugby model, which works very well and keeps the game flowing until a natural break. The advantage system works quite well too. This could help eradicate the blight on the game which is, the likes of Terry and team or Rooney/Rio etc in seasons past badgering the ref as a tactic.
A sin bin for this kind of behaviour could sort that out too.
You absolutely can't have the game continuing while a review is taking place. The possibilities for abuse & incompetence are absolutely terrifying.
lets all have a disco wrote:Video refs,sin bins and drinking in the stands aswell.
iwasthere2012 wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:iwasthere2012 wrote:Wonderwall wrote:I dont see any reason why this could not be brought in and used perfectly well. I think that the games of Rugby and Cricket have been enhanced by the review system. There would need to be very clear rules though.*Who can review?
*How long should each review take?
*Should the clock be stopped?
*There should be no appeal on the outcome of the decision, ala JohnTerry and crew surrounding the ref feeling hard done to!
*Rules should be in place for allowing the game to flow until a natural stoppage before review, thus stopping coaches from influencing counter attacks.
*If a flag/review is raised, and the passage of play continues and a goal is scored, this means.
A- the appealing teams goal will count if they win or lose the appeal (unless an infringement is found on the appeal footage that wasnt called for originally.
B- the opposition of the appeals goal will count if the appeal is lost
C- the opposition of the appeals goal will not count if the appeal is upheld
*The opposition is not allowed to intervene in the appeal process, its not their appeal and therefore they have no say in what is being reviewed
Just a few for the list but its all fairly simple and common sense IMO
This is much more in line with what I was thinking. Very Good. Did you come up with this or was it buried somewhere in the BBC article.
This is much more like the Rugby model, which works very well and keeps the game flowing until a natural break. The advantage system works quite well too. This could help eradicate the blight on the game which is, the likes of Terry and team or Rooney/Rio etc in seasons past badgering the ref as a tactic.
A sin bin for this kind of behaviour could sort that out too.
You absolutely can't have the game continuing while a review is taking place. The possibilities for abuse & incompetence are absolutely terrifying.
Doesn't work like that in Rugby Ted although I understand your concerns. The rules would definitely need to be tailored for football, but I believe the referee should remain in control of what he wants to take to the TMO. It's not without its criticism in rugby either.
I don't think the game going on while a previous ruling is being adjudicated on happens in rugby and wouldn't be welcome in football either.
However, I think WW has sketchily outlined something better than what is going on at the moment.
Goal line technology is a start, but the number of penalties, sending offs, offside goals etc that determine a game has to be addressed and also the cutting out of surrounding a referee, encouraging him to make a rash decision on the spot would be welcomed.
Wonderwall wrote:I think all the conspiracy theory stuff is pure bullshit. The reviews will be shown to all, if it is not clear then the appeal cannot be upheld. How many times do you see a decision where the 10-15+ camera angles cannot capture the incident? Its very rare indeed. The technology will be used for the good of the game, if introduced there needs to be clear defined rules around its use. It will be an even playing field.
Ted if you think that 1 team is given a penalty and about to score but the appeal review shows correctly that the appeal should be upheld then why the hell not. The penalty should never have happened if the correct decision was initially given.
Now you are getting grey areas, lets say a man was sent off for giving away the said penalty! This is where a referee should keep his cards in his pocket until the outcome of the review.
Wonderwall wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:iwasthere2012 wrote:Wonderwall wrote:I dont see any reason why this could not be brought in and used perfectly well. I think that the games of Rugby and Cricket have been enhanced by the review system. There would need to be very clear rules though.*Who can review?
*How long should each review take?
*Should the clock be stopped?
*There should be no appeal on the outcome of the decision, ala JohnTerry and crew surrounding the ref feeling hard done to!
*Rules should be in place for allowing the game to flow until a natural stoppage before review, thus stopping coaches from influencing counter attacks.
*If a flag/review is raised, and the passage of play continues and a goal is scored, this means.
A- the appealing teams goal will count if they win or lose the appeal (unless an infringement is found on the appeal footage that wasnt called for originally.
B- the opposition of the appeals goal will count if the appeal is lost
C- the opposition of the appeals goal will not count if the appeal is upheld
*The opposition is not allowed to intervene in the appeal process, its not their appeal and therefore they have no say in what is being reviewed
Just a few for the list but its all fairly simple and common sense IMO
This is much more in line with what I was thinking. Very Good. Did you come up with this or was it buried somewhere in the BBC article.
This is much more like the Rugby model, which works very well and keeps the game flowing until a natural break. The advantage system works quite well too. This could help eradicate the blight on the game which is, the likes of Terry and team or Rooney/Rio etc in seasons past badgering the ref as a tactic.
A sin bin for this kind of behaviour could sort that out too.
You absolutely can't have the game continuing while a review is taking place. The possibilities for abuse & incompetence are absolutely terrifying.
That list was off the top of my head.
Ted I am not with you?
A flag is raised indicating a review, the 4th official confirms the details of the review and it goes upstairs. They can do the full review and if its upheld, stop the game before the ball goes out of play, what is wrong with that? How can that be abused? The players wont know? If the players know a review is pending, they might want it to e reviewed and kick the ball out? There are endless situations but I dont get where you are coming from?
Ted Hughes wrote:Wonderwall wrote:I think all the conspiracy theory stuff is pure bullshit. The reviews will be shown to all, if it is not clear then the appeal cannot be upheld. How many times do you see a decision where the 10-15+ camera angles cannot capture the incident? Its very rare indeed. The technology will be used for the good of the game, if introduced there needs to be clear defined rules around its use. It will be an even playing field.
Ted if you think that 1 team is given a penalty and about to score but the appeal review shows correctly that the appeal should be upheld then why the hell not. The penalty should never have happened if the correct decision was initially given.
Now you are getting grey areas, lets say a man was sent off for giving away the said penalty! This is where a referee should keep his cards in his pocket until the outcome of the review.
For a start, football is riddled with corruption around the world. This gives a bigger opportunity for it & potential for organised crime to intimidate, bribe, blackmail etc to influence betting.
Second: very very few penalties given are 100% In fact very few are penalties at all. But the 'experts' say contact is a penalty, until the same expert sees a similar instance the week after, & suddenly there 'wasn't enough' contact. By an amazing coinicidence, these opinions seem to favour the same clubs, as do the referees on pitch.
After watching this for years, we now want a situation where Rooney's dive is called back & he is awarded a penalty. And again in the return game.
This would be worth an exta 15 to 20 points a season to rags/Liverpool etc.
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