Aggressive Walkling wrote:I'm in at the start at "neither." I don't think Pellers has much at all to do with us looking today very much as we did against Dortmund in the autumn of 2012 or So'ton in February 2013.
If we are subjected to aggressive pressing we go to pieces. Absent particularly clinical outings from Yaya, Nasri and Silva working it perfectly onto the strikers.
Interestingly, to my eyes Pellers seemed to be trying the Plan B that he tried last year at So'ton away. Much more longball play over top of the press. It's a low-percentage tactic, but with an Aguero up there it does have a chance. (Maureen worked this angle to perfection against So'ton about a week before we failed at it last year.)
I actually like this against Dipperpool better than the usual tactic - languidly pass it around and hope the last pass is into the net. Or, alternatively, cross fingers and hope Yaya/Silva/Aguero conjure something particularly magical.
Anyway, I think Pellers has brought the good - man management, not having our core guys wanting to be off to Barca or wherever, getting much more out of Nasri and Kolarov (last year) than anyone thought possible. But also the less good - failing to work out a way to deal with these energetic, pressing sides like Candlepool or L'Arse. Failing to deal with the wider variation of tactical challenges presented by continental sides.
It would seem foolish to bin him and then bring in Diego Simeone to try and get Yaya, Silva, and Nasri playing some sort of kamikaze "total football" that is utterly outside all their skill sets. And is a World XI type guy like Aguero really going to want to buy in on that? So then you're on to "sell half the team" versus bring Simeone in to probably reprise Mancini's failed efforts to get more out of these same guys. Doesn't seem to be an easy answer to that.
I'd go with keep Pellers to see out his contract and give him a nice new toy or three to work with. Then evaluate the results.
Wonderwall wrote:Aggressive Walkling wrote:I'm in at the start at "neither." I don't think Pellers has much at all to do with us looking today very much as we did against Dortmund in the autumn of 2012 or So'ton in February 2013.
If we are subjected to aggressive pressing we go to pieces. Absent particularly clinical outings from Yaya, Nasri and Silva working it perfectly onto the strikers.
Interestingly, to my eyes Pellers seemed to be trying the Plan B that he tried last year at So'ton away. Much more longball play over top of the press. It's a low-percentage tactic, but with an Aguero up there it does have a chance. (Maureen worked this angle to perfection against So'ton about a week before we failed at it last year.)
I actually like this against Dipperpool better than the usual tactic - languidly pass it around and hope the last pass is into the net. Or, alternatively, cross fingers and hope Yaya/Silva/Aguero conjure something particularly magical.
Anyway, I think Pellers has brought the good - man management, not having our core guys wanting to be off to Barca or wherever, getting much more out of Nasri and Kolarov (last year) than anyone thought possible. But also the less good - failing to work out a way to deal with these energetic, pressing sides like Candlepool or L'Arse. Failing to deal with the wider variation of tactical challenges presented by continental sides.
It would seem foolish to bin him and then bring in Diego Simeone to try and get Yaya, Silva, and Nasri playing some sort of kamikaze "total football" that is utterly outside all their skill sets. And is a World XI type guy like Aguero really going to want to buy in on that? So then you're on to "sell half the team" versus bring Simeone in to probably reprise Mancini's failed efforts to get more out of these same guys. Doesn't seem to be an easy answer to that.
I'd go with keep Pellers to see out his contract and give him a nice new toy or three to work with. Then evaluate the results.
The thing about the aggressive pressing is, we knew it was going to happen, we should have been set up to counter it with an extra man in midfield. Aggressive pressing leaves lots of space behind them to work the ball into! We are probably (and Arsenal on their day) the best team who have the ability to make aggressive pressing teams look foolish with our quick passing and moving, but we seriously choke when we come under pressure.
Pellers sets his teams up wrong and he is stubborn about changing, so either he changes ASAP or goes IMO.
Wooders wrote:I somewhat more blame the players more than the manager right now but pellers doesn't play the kids (we've played a couple, they seem to do well then disappear) - he hasn't done very well with the English demographic in the team and he only seems to have one plan against team which gives us some very mixed results as seen lately - so overall I find him a bit frustrating and wouldn't be devastated if he was to, he does however also possess some very fine managerial qualities
Wonderwall wrote:Wooders wrote:I somewhat more blame the players more than the manager right now but pellers doesn't play the kids (we've played a couple, they seem to do well then disappear) - he hasn't done very well with the English demographic in the team and he only seems to have one plan against team which gives us some very mixed results as seen lately - so overall I find him a bit frustrating and wouldn't be devastated if he was to, he does however also possess some very fine managerial qualities
we have a serious problem in the squad for English Talent, we all know Pellgrini's maths isn't great but this is getting a bit silly.
GK
Willy Caballero
Joe Hart - English and here next season
Richard Wright - English and here next season for the quota needed
Defenders
Aleksandar Kolarov
Bacary Sagna
Dedryck Boyata
Eliaquim Mangala
Gael Clichy
Karim Rekik
Martin Demichelis
Matija Nastasic
Micah Richards - English and will not be here next season
Pablo Zabaleta
Vincent Kompany
Midfielders
Fernando
Frank Lampard - English and will not be here next season
Bruno Zuculini
Fernandinho
Jesus Navas
Marcos Lopes
Samir Nasri
Scott Sinclair - English and will not be here next season
David Silva
James Milner - English and will not be here next season
Yaya Toure
Attackers
Sergio Aguero
Stevan Jovetic
Edin Dzeko
Alvaro Negredo
John Guidetti
Wilfried Bony
I get your point, but it wouldn't be a very holistic approach to have Pellegrini decide the squad set-up for the coming seasons. Surely that is / must be Trixy's and Soriano's responsibility?
johnny crossan wrote:time for a change, his plan is not working and things are rapidly going downhill
mr_nool wrote:Wonderwall wrote:Wooders wrote:I somewhat more blame the players more than the manager right now but pellers doesn't play the kids (we've played a couple, they seem to do well then disappear) - he hasn't done very well with the English demographic in the team and he only seems to have one plan against team which gives us some very mixed results as seen lately - so overall I find him a bit frustrating and wouldn't be devastated if he was to, he does however also possess some very fine managerial qualities
we have a serious problem in the squad for English Talent, we all know Pellgrini's maths isn't great but this is getting a bit silly.
GK
Willy Caballero
Joe Hart - English and here next season
Richard Wright - English and here next season for the quota needed
Defenders
Aleksandar Kolarov
Bacary Sagna
Dedryck Boyata
Eliaquim Mangala
Gael Clichy
Karim Rekik
Martin Demichelis
Matija Nastasic
Micah Richards - English and will not be here next season
Pablo Zabaleta
Vincent Kompany
Midfielders
Fernando
Frank Lampard - English and will not be here next season
Bruno Zuculini
Fernandinho
Jesus Navas
Marcos Lopes
Samir Nasri
Scott Sinclair - English and will not be here next season
David Silva
James Milner - English and will not be here next season
Yaya Toure
Attackers
Sergio Aguero
Stevan Jovetic
Edin Dzeko
Alvaro Negredo
John Guidetti
Wilfried Bony
I get your point, but it wouldn't be a very holistic approach to have Pellegrini decide the squad set-up for the coming seasons. Surely that is / must be Trixy's and Soriano's responsibility?
Wonderwall wrote:Am I missing something here, I thought the rule was a minimum of 8 home grown players? I can only see 6?
1. Joe Hart HG
3. Bacary Sagna
4. Vincent Kompany
5. Pablo Zabaleta
6. Fernando
7. James Milner HG
8. Samir Nasri
10. Edin Dzeko
11. Aleksandar Kolarov
13. Willy Caballero
14. Wilfried Bony
15. Jesús Navas
16. Sergio Agüero
18. Frank Lampard HG
20. Eliaquim Mangala
21. David Silva
22. Gaël Clichy HG
25. Fernandinho
26. Martín Demichelis
29. Richard Wright HG
35. Stevan Jovetic
38. Dedryck Boyata HG
42. Yaya Touré
Ted Hughes wrote:Wonderwall wrote:Am I missing something here, I thought the rule was a minimum of 8 home grown players? I can only see 6?
1. Joe Hart HG
3. Bacary Sagna
4. Vincent Kompany
5. Pablo Zabaleta
6. Fernando
7. James Milner HG
8. Samir Nasri
10. Edin Dzeko
11. Aleksandar Kolarov
13. Willy Caballero
14. Wilfried Bony
15. Jesús Navas
16. Sergio Agüero
18. Frank Lampard HG
20. Eliaquim Mangala
21. David Silva
22. Gaël Clichy HG
25. Fernandinho
26. Martín Demichelis
29. Richard Wright HG
35. Stevan Jovetic
38. Dedryck Boyata HG
42. Yaya Touré
We don't have to have any at all. But if we want a full squad, 8 places are reserved for home grown players. We can have eight empty places if we choose to.
Blue Since 76 wrote:carl_feedthegoat wrote:
His buys this season have been utter fuckign shite.
I'm not sure we'll ever know, but are they his buys? More worrying is if they were down to El Chuckle Brothers, as that means regardless of the coach, we'll continue to buy mediocre shit.
But yes, they could sack him tonight for me. Although I'd then want Khaldoon to go in the dressing room and tell some of them cunts that they've got two managers the sack and it won't happen to a third, as many of them will be out the door come summer.
Manuel Pellegrini has the final 12 matches of Manchester City’s season to save his job, with the manager needing to defend the Premier League title or win the Champions League, otherwise Pep Guardiola will be approached as his replacement.
Guardiola will also have a year remaining in the close season but the former Barcelona coach could well prefer to stay at Bayern Munich. But given his seemingly difficult relationship with some key people at the club – in January Bayern were forced to deny Guardiola and Matthias Sammer, the sporting director, had clashed – City would be keen to discuss any vacant position with him.
While Atlético Madrid’s Diego Simeone is not a candidate as the Argentinian is viewed as being too pragmatic in style, Rafael Benítez’s Champions League pedigree and Premier League experience means the Napoli coach is also on the radar.
Benítez could be available in the summer and though he is not known for producing the dazzling football Guardiola’s teams play – and which is City’s preference – he led Liverpool to the 2005 Champions League and another final two years later. Benítez said at the weekend: “Everyone knows that my contract expires in June, shortly we’ll talk.”
PrezIke wrote:Blue Since 76 wrote:carl_feedthegoat wrote:
His buys this season have been utter fuckign shite.
I'm not sure we'll ever know, but are they his buys? More worrying is if they were down to El Chuckle Brothers, as that means regardless of the coach, we'll continue to buy mediocre shit.
But yes, they could sack him tonight for me. Although I'd then want Khaldoon to go in the dressing room and tell some of them cunts that they've got two managers the sack and it won't happen to a third, as many of them will be out the door come summer.
yeah i keep reading this and scratching my head.
the buys are on txiki. we rely on the director to buy and sell players, not the manager.
PrezIke wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/mar/02/manuel-pellegrini-manchester-city-pressure-pep-guardiola
i know jamie jackson...the worst, but i believe he was the one to reveal that mancini would be sacked right before the fa cup final.
well here it is again:Manuel Pellegrini has the final 12 matches of Manchester City’s season to save his job, with the manager needing to defend the Premier League title or win the Champions League, otherwise Pep Guardiola will be approached as his replacement.Guardiola will also have a year remaining in the close season but the former Barcelona coach could well prefer to stay at Bayern Munich. But given his seemingly difficult relationship with some key people at the club – in January Bayern were forced to deny Guardiola and Matthias Sammer, the sporting director, had clashed – City would be keen to discuss any vacant position with him.
While Atlético Madrid’s Diego Simeone is not a candidate as the Argentinian is viewed as being too pragmatic in style, Rafael Benítez’s Champions League pedigree and Premier League experience means the Napoli coach is also on the radar.
Benítez could be available in the summer and though he is not known for producing the dazzling football Guardiola’s teams play – and which is City’s preference – he led Liverpool to the 2005 Champions League and another final two years later. Benítez said at the weekend: “Everyone knows that my contract expires in June, shortly we’ll talk.”
we shall see...
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