2010-2011
Edin Dzeko
James Milner
Mario Balotelli
2011-2012
Gael Clichy
Stefan Savic
Sergio Aguero
Luca Scapuzzi
Denis Suarez
Costel Pantilimon
Samir Nasri
Owen Hargreaves
2012-2013
Jack Rodwell
Scott Sinclair
Richard Wright
Maicon
Javi Garcia
Matija Nastasic
2013-2014
Fernandinho
Jesus Navas
Stevan Jovetic
Alvaro Negredo
Martin Demichelis
2014-2015
Fernando
Bacary Sagna
Wilfredo Caballero
Bruno Zuculini
Eliaquim Mangala
Frank Lampard
Wilfried Bony
Im_Spartacus wrote:until toure or silva move on, we are stuck with a dysfunctional squad because of two central midfielders who can't do the hard yards
twosips wrote:Decided to have a look at our signings over the past few years just to see how we're doing.2010-2011
Edin Dzeko
James Milner
Mario Balotelli
A good year. Dzeko and Milner have been great signings and important members of the squad. Mario did some decent things with us, was never an absolute disaster and we got most of the money back.2011-2012
Gael Clichy
Stefan Savic
Sergio Aguero
Luca Scapuzzi
Denis Suarez
Costel Pantilimon
Samir Nasri
Owen Hargreaves
A weird mixed one. Clichy, Nasri and Aguero can be all counted as successes. Savic was fucking awful. Scapuzzi was a (shocking) favour for Mancini's kids, Suarez was a talented kid who didn't quite make it, Hargreaves was a hopeless but relatively risk free point and Panty was a decent backup for a couple of years. In terms of money spent though i'd say this was a good window.2012-2013
Jack Rodwell
Scott Sinclair
Richard Wright
Maicon
Javi Garcia
Matija Nastasic
Just a truly terrible window in hindsight. The first four in particular were utterly pointless and it took Garcia about a year and a half to find form before we shipped him off anyway. Nastasic was also a waste of money.2013-2014
Fernandinho
Jesus Navas
Stevan Jovetic
Alvaro Negredo
Martin Demichelis
Last season this was a good window i think. Fernandinho is a very good player, Navas is still a good squad option, Negredo helped us win the league and we got the money back and Demi is, let's be honest, attaining something close to cult status these days. Jovetic has been mixed but i presume we'll get most of the money back - some work, some don't.2014-2015
Fernando
Bacary Sagna
Wilfredo Caballero
Bruno Zuculini
Eliaquim Mangala
Frank Lampard
Wilfried Bony
Bony i'm excluding cos we don't know. So far this window looks a bit average to be honest. It MAY prove good but if we're looking at it in terms of immediate impact in the way last season's had then it's not good. Caballero has been nonexistent and Sagna hasn't been used anywhere near enough to qualify as consistent and good cover for Zaba - that's not his fault as such as he's been fine, but it does make you think that it'd have been better to sign someone that we rotated more with him cos he's clearly knackered. Fernando and Mangala have been hugely mixed.
The one big mistake that we made this window in my opinion is not bringing in a forward. I think you should bring in an attacker every year without fail.... overall though i don't think we've been truly terrible and you just don't know how Mangala and Fernando will adapt in the long run. They've been let down by the rest of the team in that aspect - Negredo, Fernandinho and Navas weren't let down last year as everyone was great around them. It's why it was fair to say Demi was shite for half a season cos the other defenders were playing a bit better and you could tell it was his individual errors whereas this year everyone is poor around them.
twosips wrote:Basically, i don't think our transfers have been terrible. I just think we've reached the point where we need a window like 2010 or 2011 again now, which i guess you'd expect after 3 or 4 years. This squad cycle is coming into its latter stages and i think we now have to start mixing it up a bit. We could ahve done with Jovetic coming in and having the impact that we'd hope he would and then things wouldn't have felt anywhere near as catastrophic and he could have been seen as one of the big signings like Nasri and Aguero were that year, but that's not happened for whatever reason.
I think where we're at though is only natural and it happens to every team. We can't buy genuine world stars every year i don't think, cos 1) you can't guarantee they'll become world stars and 2) it's impossible with FFP. We'd have hoped that Jovetic was going to be a world star, and it was a fair assumption, but that's not happened for us and that's that. I think it's fair to say we need one this summer though - be it someone like Isco or Reus. A team needs properly refreshing after 3 or 4 seasons usually, even Pep at Barca found the same old tricks didnt work eventually, and we're finding that out (if we're not already we're about to) now so i feel relatively relaxed about it. It's natural.
All it takes is one good central midfield signing, one good attacker - i don't think these exact transfers will happen, but let's say hypothetically they do - like Reus and Pogba/Isco and then release a couple of bits of relative deadwood, perhaps promote a kid or two and then just like that you've got an infinitely more youthful looking squad. It won't take much. Ship out a couple, bring in a couple, promote Denayer and Lopes. Our squad will look very different, more youthful with more legs and players with more to prove, very easily.
Cit.revenge wrote:There u have it , good singing window ,Title , bad one second place. Honestly i can't justify Mangala and Fernando yet,Think we had better options , but when i see some of the name we sing , fuck me , Jack Rodwell ,Scott Sinclair,Stefan Savic. And replace for Negredo was not Jovetic in any case . Never going to happen. We need one Box to Box player who can play and run to cover Silva and Yaya, We need on more to replace Silva to rest or when hes injured same quality or at list close one. Defense need new leader , but really leader.
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:I've been mulling this over and it strikes me that nobody mentions wages when discussing the fact that we haven't signed a marquee name since Aguero.
Soriano has been trying to lower the wage bill since he became CEO so whilst we've shelled out significant sums on transfer fees I don't believe we've been able to compete on the market for marquee names because of the salary costs.
iwasthere2012 wrote:twosips wrote:Basically, i don't think our transfers have been terrible. I just think we've reached the point where we need a window like 2010 or 2011 again now, which i guess you'd expect after 3 or 4 years. This squad cycle is coming into its latter stages and i think we now have to start mixing it up a bit. We could ahve done with Jovetic coming in and having the impact that we'd hope he would and then things wouldn't have felt anywhere near as catastrophic and he could have been seen as one of the big signings like Nasri and Aguero were that year, but that's not happened for whatever reason.
I think where we're at though is only natural and it happens to every team. We can't buy genuine world stars every year i don't think, cos 1) you can't guarantee they'll become world stars and 2) it's impossible with FFP. We'd have hoped that Jovetic was going to be a world star, and it was a fair assumption, but that's not happened for us and that's that. I think it's fair to say we need one this summer though - be it someone like Isco or Reus. A team needs properly refreshing after 3 or 4 seasons usually, even Pep at Barca found the same old tricks didnt work eventually, and we're finding that out (if we're not already we're about to) now so i feel relatively relaxed about it. It's natural.
All it takes is one good central midfield signing, one good attacker - i don't think these exact transfers will happen, but let's say hypothetically they do - like Reus and Pogba/Isco and then release a couple of bits of relative deadwood, perhaps promote a kid or two and then just like that you've got an infinitely more youthful looking squad. It won't take much. Ship out a couple, bring in a couple, promote Denayer and Lopes. Our squad will look very different, more youthful with more legs and players with more to prove, very easily.
Absolutely. Even agree with the players you mention. Keep that kind of positivity up and I may get my will to live back. Get this post into the silver lining thread now.
Nick wrote:Agree with all the above, only things I'll add are:
1) Most importantly, why the fcuk do all the clubs go after the same players? Pretty sure theres more world class quality than Pogba and Reus. Yes they are class but every c*** and his dog want them. I don't remember Chelsea and Madrid trailling Silva, Yaya or Aguero at the time. I can scout Pogba and Reus, we need the next best thing. Mangala seems like that kind of level yet hes already over hyped, wanted by everyone and we paid STAR QUALITY price.
2) We all agree we would be shit hot if we signed the players we missed; mainly Isco, SANCHEZ (don't forget) and Hazard. But aren't all of those 3 players adding to our existing problem/moan that silva, nasri, yaya don't do the running? I don't think either of Isco, Sanchez or Hazard are partners for Dinho in the middle.....
Nick wrote:Agree with all the above, only things I'll add are:
1) Most importantly, why the fcuk do all the clubs go after the same players? Pretty sure theres more world class quality than Pogba and Reus. Yes they are class but every c*** and his dog want them. I don't remember Chelsea and Madrid trailling Silva, Yaya or Aguero at the time. I can scout Pogba and Reus, we need the next best thing. Mangala seems like that kind of level yet hes already over hyped, wanted by everyone and we paid STAR QUALITY price.
2) We all agree we would be shit hot if we signed the players we missed; mainly Isco, SANCHEZ (don't forget) and Hazard. But aren't all of those 3 players adding to our existing problem/moan that silva, nasri, yaya don't do the running? I don't think either of Isco, Sanchez or Hazard are partners for Dinho in the middle.....
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