Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

[blues2win]

Yes he is although the Premier League will fight that hard. However the reaction will be to get EU passports. European countries will be keen to get the brightest young talent signing up for their passports so that their national teams benefit in the longer term.

[Blue Since 76]

if we had gone to court it's unlikely we would get 100% of everything in our favour. Even Dupont isn't arguing for that.

This allows us to do everything we want to do.

I expect the next attack will happen once they realise how well our academy starts to work. They will change rules in order to try & derail that. I think Greg Dyke is starting that process now. when all his ideas are kicked out, the one that makes it will probably be to restrict young players from various parts of the world coming here, thus fucking up our plans for global academies.

All Dyke is interested in is England and his local club, the rags. As such, if he wants to make a difference, he'd have to ban Irish, Scotch, Welsh as well as other European players. Legally, he probably wouldn't get away with it, but even if he could, the rest of the PL clubs wouldn't be happy.

Look at the current England team - is it good enough to compete at the top of the PL? Even that would only be one player per PL team, so imagine how bad academies would look if they had to have a high percentage of English players. That would start to affect the quality of the PL and therefore its ability to make money and would also impact on English clubs in Europe.

Even the likes of the rags and Arsenal would rather earn £90m finishing below us in the PL and another huge amount in Europe than find a way to impact us and see their own earnings fall.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

Just a theoretical question but UEFA have tried to write into their regulations that any dispute action can only be taken to the so called Sports Arbitration Council.

Had we decided to contest their prescribed 'punishment' and 'take it to Court', could Platini's gang legally enforce this restriction or would this be a sort of discrimination (for want of a better way of putting it), with regard our right of litigation wherever we chose ??

Apologies in advance, if this is just an obtuse question.

[blues2win]

UEFA can't remove our legal remedies. The Club feel they can live with what's been proposed because they're well on the way to self sufficiency anyway. From their point of view it's a small bump in the road.

[Beefymcfc]

This still fucking riles me. The fact that we planned according to set regulations but then to fail because those regulations were changed is just fucking ridiculous, scandalous even. And the fact that the G14 imposed Gill to the board to ensure UEFA were going to implement them as the G14 wanted is another damning indictment of what these regulations are all about.

Now the precedence has been set, I'm absolutely certain that we will ensure others are held to account in the future. That's if, of course, the regulations aren't changed to suit or completely rescinded once one of the G14 fall foul.

Cunts!

[Benjay]

UEFA can't remove our legal remedies. The Club feel they can live with what's been proposed because they're well on the way to self sufficiency anyway. From their point of view it's a small bump in the road.

These don't seem to be insurmountable issues and when you are the champions things don't seem so bad.

[Wooders]

10 clubs fined X60 million euros
WHERE is that 600 million going to go?? Why is no-one asking that question?? (Other than perps on here!)

[Beefymcfc]

10 clubs fined X60 million euros
WHERE is that 600 million going to go?? Why is no-one asking that question?? (Other than perps on here!)

It sounds like it's paid out to the wider CL community, ie. it will go to the other teams in that particular league (Rags, Chav's, Arse).

From that, and from the fact that Liverpool cannot be audited until they've actually played a season in the CL, I've come to the conclusion that it's OK for teams to overspend as long as they give the G14 a cut for getting into the league. Basically FFP has turned into a mechanism for giving the G14 a legal bung.

It fucking stinks!

[Beefymcfc]

Looks like we're up next on Sunday Supplement. 'Winning the league has come at a cost' is the intro and it will be interesting to see what these dullards can come up with.

[Socrates]

One thing they'll never get through is abandoning free movement of labour inside the EU as a football exception. It's an article of faith in the EU. This means there'll be increasing numbers of brasilians getting portuguese passports( fernando's the latest example) Argentinians getting Spanish passports and Africans getting french passports. This will hurt national teams but young players will still end up playing in European academies.

Idiots like Dyke don't realise that the problem with English football is that there aren't enough good young English players. Sheepshanks is trying to deal with that at St Georges Park by training a new generation of coaches who can bring on young boys by emphasising technique over brawn. There's no quick fix. We had a much higher proportion of English players in the top league when we didn't qualify for the World Cup in the USA. We're very lucky to have so many top foreign players playing in the Premier League. Really good young English players benefit from playing alongside them and against them and it makes our league the best most exciting in the world.

All true but that is assuming we stay in the EU and the UKIP poll ratings are a blip.

What Dyke is trying to stop, is players getting work permits. He can't stop it in the EU, but he can stop us bringing players here, like the two African lads who arrive this year.

But if we cease to be in the EU at some point in the future then EU citizens will also need work permits. Just a thought and not a nice one.

[blues2win]

Not so. If we leave the EU we'll join the European Economic Area which is a club composed of the EU plus countries like Norway and Iceland. That is the only way we can keep free trade with the EU. Membership of that club requires free movement of labour throughout the Area.

[BlueinBosnia]

Not so. If we leave the EU we'll join the European Economic Area which is a club composed of the EU plus countries like Norway and Iceland. That is the only way we can keep free trade with the EU. Membership of that club requires free movement of labour throughout the Area.

Is Sigurdsson counted as EU or non-EU for Spurs' squad? That'll solve this question.

Also, membership of the EEA does not imply freedom of labour movement; both Liechtenstein and Switzerland (a member of EFTA - which UKIP proposes the UK joins - but not EEA) impose labour quotas. Under the terms of the EEA agreement, they are not allowed to treat EU countries differently for these quotas, instead having a fixed number of EU Citizens coming in per year.

[blues2win]

Sigurdsson as an Icelander and member of the EEA did not need a work permit. Lichtenstein is a member of the EEA. Farage said he wanted to join the EEA. No doubt he wants to change all the rules but it won't wash. In any case he's not going to change any rules because he won't be in a position to do so.

[ross.mcfc]

But if we cease to be in the EU at some point in the future then EU citizens will also need work permits. Just a thought and not a nice one.

This is a cracking point.

Let's say we actually get to the point where you have to vote for that (and what a sad state of affairs that would be) weakening the Premiership would kill the out vote.

[Cocacolajojo1]

I'm not saying that it's wrong to discuss accounting procedures or the intricacies of transnational organizations or work-immigration. Fuck I'm always up for discussing football and politics. It's just that... it's so boring. Whatever happened to the good old "capitalism and football" or "football's racist"? Now it's all like "well if we transfer this post from debit to credit and structure our amortization over the next five years, that'll show em!".... This new FFP-footballing landscape doesn't excite me, is what I'm saying.

[BlueinBosnia]

Sigurdsson as an Icelander and member of the EEA did not need a work permit. Lichtenstein is a member of the EEA. Farage said he wanted to join the EEA. No doubt he wants to change all the rules but it won't wash. In any case he's not going to change any rules because he won't be in a position to do so.

Sorry, we were talking about 2 different things here. You're right, Sigurdsson, as an EEA Citizen does not need a work permit to work in the EU. However, I think he's counted as 'non-EU' for squad list purposes, although I am not sure on that.

On the flip side, both Switzerland and Liechtenstein impose quotas on EU Citizens working in their countries, which is what the UK would be able to do if it were to leave the EU. As a member of the EEA, however, it is not able to differentiate between EU Member States in regard to applying such a quota - therefore, a French national would have to be treated the same as a Spaniard, Maltese, Pole, German, whatever. Membership of the EEA does not by any means guarantee that EU Citizens would not require work permits, although (as in many countries) there would probably be a certain number of dedicated work permits for 'culturally significant' workers.

[nottsblue]

I'm not saying that it's wrong to discuss accounting procedures or the intricacies of transnational organizations or work-immigration. Fuck I'm always up for discussing football and politics. It's just that... it's so boring. Whatever happened to the good old "capitalism and football" or "football's racist"? Now it's all like "well if we transfer this post from debit to credit and structure our amortization over the next five years, that'll show em!".... This new FFP-footballing landscape doesn't excite me, is what I'm saying.

Agreed. We need a paddle of rebuke

[blues2win]

Switzerland took advantage of a temporary right to impose quotas but it runs out at the end of this month when freedom of movement for the EEA resumes. I don't think Liechtenstein ever had the right to quotas because it's part of the EEA. The sole exception to this is Croatia which has visa free access to the EEA but has to wait up to 7 years from accession to enjoy freedom from work permits. The UK has said it will excercise the 7 year delay in full.

My own view is that any attempt to stop us gobbling up talented youngsters from round the world will be very largely nullified as these guys are given EU passports so that countries can strengthen their national teams in due course. If the UK doesn't join this party we may lose out but looking at our eagerness to welcome South Africans to our cricket team I wouldn't count on it. If Januzaj had had the ghost of a case for playing for England I'm sure the FA would have been all over him when he was 16-17. Personally I'm not that keen on Africans in our team because we lose them for 6 weeks every couple of years because of the Cup of a Nations. Yes that means Yaya again in January.

[BlueinBosnia]

Switzerland took advantage of a temporary right to impose quotas but it runs out at the end of this month when freedom of movement for the EEA resumes. I don't think Liechtenstein ever had the right to quotas because it's part of the EEA. The sole exception to this is Croatia which has visa free access to the EEA but has to wait up to 7 years from accession to enjoy freedom from work permits. The UK has said it will excercise the 7 year delay in full.

Switzerland will seemingly extend the quota system - like you I thought it expired at some point in May 2014, but it now appears it can be extended unconditionally. Liechtenstein DOES have quotas. The UK has a right to exercise a 5 year moratorium on free access to the UK labour market for 5 years, which it will do, and has said it will for a further 2 years, but this is unlikely to happen, as the UK needs to prove that Croatian immigration has had a 'significant detrimental impact' on the UK labour force, which it won't be able to do, as it isn't a key labour market for Croatian migration within the EU.

[zuricity]

Sorry, we were talking about 2 different things here. You're right, Sigurdsson, as an EEA Citizen does not need a work permit to work in the EU. However, I think he's counted as 'non-EU' for squad list purposes, although I am not sure on that.

On the flip side, both Switzerland and Liechtenstein impose quotas on EU Citizens working in their countries, which is what the UK would be able to do if it were to leave the EU. As a member of the EEA, however, it is not able to differentiate between EU Member States in regard to applying such a quota - therefore, a French national would have to be treated the same as a Spaniard, Maltese, Pole, German, whatever. Membership of the EEA does not by any means guarantee that EU Citizens would not require work permits, although (as in many countries) there would probably be a certain number of dedicated work permits for 'culturally significant' workers.

Sorry fella you are wrong. Switzerland does not have any quotas for EU countries since the acceptance of many agreements including ,for example Schengen. Free movement for EU Citizens .

There is still a restriction on the free movement from Croatia. Because this country joined the EU after the other agreements were made.

Re the EA, you are correct, work permits are needed, but considered to be straightforward to get one.