Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

[Ted Hughes]

But the 'big' clubs can't function without having an opposition, so all of the 'smaller' clubs have the power to reign them in.

They didn't vote for it in the Prem because they HAD to, they CHOSE to!

You honestly believe that the smaller clubs have the power?

They don't have THE power, they have the power to stop this, yes. They voted for it in the Prem it was a choice, not a threat.

Look who voted against: the owners who wanted to sell.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

This is also interesting:

- The wage bill of the whole club (playing and non-playing staff) for 2014-15 will need to remain at the same level as that of 2013-14 season. It is important to note that additional bonuses for performances can be paid outside this number. Importantly, in reality, the existing MCFC business plan sees a natural decline in that wage bill.

I read somewhere that when we extended Yaya's contract we reduced his basic wage but offered performance bonuses, so it is probably the way we were going anyway.

We can thank the Spaniards - when they took over we started shifting to incentivised contracts instead of front loaded ones.

And it's the frontloaded contracts that are killing us here. We may avoid 40 million of the 60 million being able to reduce the wage bill but having them go hand in hand with expected raise in turnover could've avoided them completely.

Surprised we didn't take them to court.

[Socrates]

This is also interesting:

- The wage bill of the whole club (playing and non-playing staff) for 2014-15 will need to remain at the same level as that of 2013-14 season. It is important to note that additional bonuses for performances can be paid outside this number. Importantly, in reality, the existing MCFC business plan sees a natural decline in that wage bill.

I read somewhere that when we extended Yaya's contract we reduced his basic wage but offered performance bonuses, so it is probably the way we were going anyway.

We can thank the Spaniards - when they took over we started shifting to incentivised contracts instead of front loaded ones.

And it's the frontloaded contracts that are killing us here. We may avoid 40 million of the 60 million being able to reduce the wage bill but having them go hand in hand with expected raise in turnover could've avoided them completely.

Surprised we didn't take them to court.

Not totally true, we failed without the front loaded contracts and the portion of the fine attributable to the front loaded contracts appears to have been what has been suspended. Clearly URFA were not confident of their ground on that and wanted to avoid it going to court.

[Beefymcfc]

But the 'big' clubs can't function without having an opposition, so all of the 'smaller' clubs have the power to reign them in.

They didn't vote for it in the Prem because they HAD to, they CHOSE to!

You honestly believe that the smaller clubs have the power?

They don't have THE power, they have the power to stop this, yes. They voted for it in the Prem it was a choice, not a threat.

Look who voted against: the owners who wanted to sell.

I think you're talking about the PL here whereas I was aiming that at the ECA members. The smaller clubs in the PL voted for themselves, nothing more. This results in them keeping more of the income and clearing more of the debt.

As for 'Look who voted against', did our owner want to sell? The four who went against were either debt free and still wanted to invest or wanted to sell in the future. It wasn't for one specific reason. Those who voted for weren't just 'Turkey's voting for Christmas', they had their own reason with the main one being that they could bank more money.

[Ted Hughes]

But the 'big' clubs can't function without having an opposition, so all of the 'smaller' clubs have the power to reign them in.

They didn't vote for it in the Prem because they HAD to, they CHOSE to!

You honestly believe that the smaller clubs have the power?

They don't have THE power, they have the power to stop this, yes. They voted for it in the Prem it was a choice, not a threat.

Look who voted against: the owners who wanted to sell.

I think you're talking about the PL here whereas I was aiming that at the ECA members. The smaller clubs in the PL voted for themselves, nothing more. This results in them keeping more of the income and clearing more of the debt.

As for 'Look who voted against', did our owner want to sell? The four who went against were either debt free and still wanted to invest or wanted to sell in the future. It wasn't for one specific reason. Those who voted for weren't just 'Turkey's voting for Christmas', they had their own reason with the main one being that they could bank more money.

Wtf ?

If you want to just be childish, forget it.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

Apparently, both the 10 million Euro fines will still count towards our revenue according to UEFA! Mind-boggling all this, and makes no fucking sense at all. .

[Beefymcfc]

But the 'big' clubs can't function without having an opposition, so all of the 'smaller' clubs have the power to reign them in.

They didn't vote for it in the Prem because they HAD to, they CHOSE to!

You honestly believe that the smaller clubs have the power?

They don't have THE power, they have the power to stop this, yes. They voted for it in the Prem it was a choice, not a threat.

Look who voted against: the owners who wanted to sell.

I think you're talking about the PL here whereas I was aiming that at the ECA members. The smaller clubs in the PL voted for themselves, nothing more. This results in them keeping more of the income and clearing more of the debt.

As for 'Look who voted against', did our owner want to sell? The four who went against were either debt free and still wanted to invest or wanted to sell in the future. It wasn't for one specific reason. Those who voted for weren't just 'Turkey's voting for Christmas', they had their own reason with the main one being that they could bank more money.

Wtf ?

If you want to just be childish, forget it.

Eh? You took my statement on ECA and turned it into a PL thing, then when I point out a fucking huge flaw in your debate you call me childish and spit out your dummy. I don't even know where your point came from it was so out of arc.

I'm not debating you, I was just throwing my thoughts out there and as usual you come over the 'Oh So High and Mighty'.

Fucking grow some.

Oh, and it's fucking 'rein' you fucking bollock head.

[Dunnylad]

Apparently, both the 10 million Euro fines will still count towards our revenue according to UEFA! Mind-boggling all this, and makes no fucking sense at all. .

is that only because it will impact on our incoming revenue? ie we get 10m less for participating in the Chumps League and the same next season? So not really a fine, just UEFA keeping some of the money they would have paid out to us.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

Apparently, both the 10 million Euro fines will still count towards our revenue according to UEFA! Mind-boggling all this, and makes no fucking sense at all. .

is that only because it will impact on our incoming revenue? ie we get 10m less for participating in the Chumps League and the same next season? So not really a fine, just UEFA keeping some of the money they would have paid out to us.

It would seem so.

[Michigan Blue]

https://twitter.com/pedropintouefa/stat ... 6421386240

@PedroPintoUEFA: UEFA will distribute money from financial contributions by making solidarity payments to other European clubs. (2)

https://twitter.com/pedropintouefa/stat ... 6879173632

@PedroPintoUEFA: Formula for redistribution of funds will be decided by UEFA and its Executive Committee in due course. (3)

"Solidarity payments." "Other clubs."

Corrupt fuckers.

[Beefymcfc]

Apparently, both the 10 million Euro fines will still count towards our revenue according to UEFA! Mind-boggling all this, and makes no fucking sense at all. .

is that only because it will impact on our incoming revenue? ie we get 10m less for participating in the Chumps League and the same next season? So not really a fine, just UEFA keeping some of the money they would have paid out to us.

It would seem so.

This isn't 100% but I think I read somewhere that any fines imposed would be shared with the football community. This is the part that really fucks me off knowing that the Rags, Arse and Chav's would be getting a split of our earnings in the competition.

Also, will the same be imposed on the Rags when they spend that 200 mil that they've got stashed away?

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

Apparently, both the 10 million Euro fines will still count towards our revenue according to UEFA! Mind-boggling all this, and makes no fucking sense at all. .

is that only because it will impact on our incoming revenue? ie we get 10m less for participating in the Chumps League and the same next season? So not really a fine, just UEFA keeping some of the money they would have paid out to us.

It would seem so.

This isn't 100% but I think I read somewhere that any fines imposed would be shared with the football community. This is the part that really fucks me off knowing that the Rags, Arse and Chav's would be getting a split of our earnings in the competition.

Also, will the same be imposed on the Rags when they spend that 200 mil that they've got stashed away?

This is not an exact science, as we now know, but UEFA have now set a precedent and going off our response on the official site we'll be watching carefully how these rules are applied to other clubs. Could be that UEFA have made a rod for their own back (but I won't hold my breath).

[Bluez]

United will have to be careful as they would have a real problem going from a position of breaking even to one of a massive deficit on players.

City have managed not too bad an arrangement considering we were on track to break even next year. If we manage that we will have restrictions on season only. And considering the Fine is withholding 16 mil of prize money, and we are allowed a 16 mil loss next season, the other way of looking at it is we need to break even and we wouldn't pay a fine to UEFA, but that way of doing it would have made UEFA look bad.

[MilnersJaw]

Why is the club taking it lying down. No businesses expert but this shit could not stand up in court.

[Bluez]

Why is the club taking it lying down. No businesses expert but this shit could not stand up in court.

Other than the 21 squad for CL games, what punishment have UEFA given that we weren't planning already?
No more the 49 mil net spending, lower wage bill, break even. All these were planned.

[Dameerto]

Why is the club taking it lying down. No businesses expert but this shit could not stand up in court.

Other than the 21 squad for CL games, what punishment have UEFA given that we weren't planning already?
No more the 49 mil net spending, lower wage bill, break even. All these were planned.

A reduction in CL prize money for this season just gone and next, which we can live with even though it's annoying. I think we came out of this with most of our integrity at least.

[Ted Hughes]

Why is the club taking it lying down. No businesses expert but this shit could not stand up in court.

Other than the 21 squad for CL games, what punishment have UEFA given that we weren't planning already?
No more the 49 mil net spending, lower wage bill, break even. All these were planned.

A reduction in CL prize money for this season just gone and next, which we can live with even though it's annoying. I think we came out of this with most of our integrity at least.

if we had gone to court it's unlikely we would get 100% of everything in our favour. Even Dupont isn't arguing for that.

This allows us to do everything we want to do.

I expect the next attack will happen once they realise how well our academy starts to work. They will change rules in order to try & derail that. I think Greg Dyke is starting that process now. when all his ideas are kicked out, the one that makes it will probably be to restrict young players from various parts of the world coming here, thus fucking up our plans for global academies.

[blues2win]

One thing they'll never get through is abandoning free movement of labour inside the EU as a football exception. It's an article of faith in the EU. This means there'll be increasing numbers of brasilians getting portuguese passports( fernando's the latest example) Argentinians getting Spanish passports and Africans getting french passports. This will hurt national teams but young players will still end up playing in European academies.

Idiots like Dyke don't realise that the problem with English football is that there aren't enough good young English players. Sheepshanks is trying to deal with that at St Georges Park by training a new generation of coaches who can bring on young boys by emphasising technique over brawn. There's no quick fix. We had a much higher proportion of English players in the top league when we didn't qualify for the World Cup in the USA. We're very lucky to have so many top foreign players playing in the Premier League. Really good young English players benefit from playing alongside them and against them and it makes our league the best most exciting in the world.

[Socrates]

One thing they'll never get through is abandoning free movement of labour inside the EU as a football exception. It's an article of faith in the EU. This means there'll be increasing numbers of brasilians getting portuguese passports( fernando's the latest example) Argentinians getting Spanish passports and Africans getting french passports. This will hurt national teams but young players will still end up playing in European academies.

Idiots like Dyke don't realise that the problem with English football is that there aren't enough good young English players. Sheepshanks is trying to deal with that at St Georges Park by training a new generation of coaches who can bring on young boys by emphasising technique over brawn. There's no quick fix. We had a much higher proportion of English players in the top league when we didn't qualify for the World Cup in the USA. We're very lucky to have so many top foreign players playing in the Premier League. Really good young English players benefit from playing alongside them and against them and it makes our league the best most exciting in the world.

All true but that is assuming we stay in the EU and the UKIP poll ratings are a blip.

[Ted Hughes]

One thing they'll never get through is abandoning free movement of labour inside the EU as a football exception. It's an article of faith in the EU. This means there'll be increasing numbers of brasilians getting portuguese passports( fernando's the latest example) Argentinians getting Spanish passports and Africans getting french passports. This will hurt national teams but young players will still end up playing in European academies.

Idiots like Dyke don't realise that the problem with English football is that there aren't enough good young English players. Sheepshanks is trying to deal with that at St Georges Park by training a new generation of coaches who can bring on young boys by emphasising technique over brawn. There's no quick fix. We had a much higher proportion of English players in the top league when we didn't qualify for the World Cup in the USA. We're very lucky to have so many top foreign players playing in the Premier League. Really good young English players benefit from playing alongside them and against them and it makes our league the best most exciting in the world.

All true but that is assuming we stay in the EU and the UKIP poll ratings are a blip.

What Dyke is trying to stop, is players getting work permits. He can't stop it in the EU, but he can stop us bringing players here, like the two African lads who arrive this year.