THE TAFFIA COACHES

[Guy Debord]

Does anyone know whether Lee Dixon has ever done a coaching session in his life?

Eloquently put.

Some on here seem to think that Toure and Lescott are a pair of clueless schoolboys who need to be told where to stand and who to mark rather than two hugely experienced international defenders. They're not playing well, but to pin the blame on the coaches is facile. Original Dub is right, it takes time.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Does anyone know whether Lee Dixon has ever done a coaching session in his life?

Eloquently put.

Some on here seem to think that Toure and Lescott are a pair of clueless schoolboys who need to be told where to stand and who to mark rather than two hugely experienced international defenders. They're not playing well, but to pin the blame on the coaches is facile. Original Dub is right, it takes time.

SO THE COACHES ARE BLAMELESS THEN?
ALRIGHT THEN.......

[DoomMerchant]

Does anyone know whether Lee Dixon has ever done a coaching session in his life?

Eloquently put.

Some on here seem to think that Toure and Lescott are a pair of clueless schoolboys who need to be told where to stand and who to mark rather than two hugely experienced international defenders. They're not playing well, but to pin the blame on the coaches is facile. Original Dub is right, it takes time.

SO THE COACHES ARE BLAMELESS THEN?
ALRIGHT THEN.......

i'm not sure some of these fucktards has ever been gainfully employed CARL. If your employees were fucking up week in and week out and delivering complete fucking shit from time to time sprinkled with some reasonably good performances what kind of feedback might your boss have for you after one too many fuck ups from your team? He'd hand you your ass i'm sure...that's what mine would do, and that's how most people in management are treated because you are held accountable for your team. They are a reflection of you...and ultimately you live or die by your ability to understand how they motivate themselves to get the results you are asking for. Simple as that.

All this constant fucking bullshit about how "the players are to blame" and the "gaffer doesn't kick the ball" etc are just not holding water for me these days...sorry. Hughes has enough talent on this squad to mix it up and get a result vs fucking Bolton.

cheers

[carl_feedthegoat]

Does anyone know whether Lee Dixon has ever done a coaching session in his life?

Eloquently put.

Some on here seem to think that Toure and Lescott are a pair of clueless schoolboys who need to be told where to stand and who to mark rather than two hugely experienced international defenders. They're not playing well, but to pin the blame on the coaches is facile. Original Dub is right, it takes time.

SO THE COACHES ARE BLAMELESS THEN?
ALRIGHT THEN.......

i'm not sure some of these fucktards has ever been gainfully employed CARL. If your employees were fucking up week in and week out and delivering complete fucking shit from time to time sprinkled with some reasonably good performances what kind of feedback might your boss have for you after one too many fuck ups from your team? He'd hand you your ass i'm sure...that's what mine would do, and that's how most people in management are treated because you are held accountable for your team. They are a reflection of you...and ultimately you live or die by your ability to understand how they motivate themselves to get the results you are asking for. Simple as that.

All this constant fucking bullshit about how "the players are to blame" and the "gaffer doesn't kick the ball" etc are just not holding water for me these days...sorry. Hughes has enough talent on this squad to mix it up and get a result vs fucking Bolton.

cheers

15 GAMES AND WE ARE STILL MAKING MISTAKES AT THE BACK..AND NOT JUST THE ODD MISTAKE.......I SHIT MYSELF WHENEVER A TEAM HAS A FREE KICK OR CORNER AGAINST US AS WE ARE SO VUNERABLE.

ALL IM SAYING IS WOULD IT NOT BE WISE TO BRING IN SOMEONE ELSE ( A FORMER TOP DEFENDER....APART FROM BOWEN ) TO ADD SOMETHING NEW TO THE DEFENSE AND GET 50 MILLION QUIDS WORTH TO START PERFORMING??

IS THAT SUCH A BAD IDEA?...I PERSONLY THINK IT,S A POSITIVE IDEA.

[DoomMerchant]

Does anyone know whether Lee Dixon has ever done a coaching session in his life?

Eloquently put.

Some on here seem to think that Toure and Lescott are a pair of clueless schoolboys who need to be told where to stand and who to mark rather than two hugely experienced international defenders. They're not playing well, but to pin the blame on the coaches is facile. Original Dub is right, it takes time.

SO THE COACHES ARE BLAMELESS THEN?
ALRIGHT THEN.......

i'm not sure some of these fucktards has ever been gainfully employed CARL. If your employees were fucking up week in and week out and delivering complete fucking shit from time to time sprinkled with some reasonably good performances what kind of feedback might your boss have for you after one too many fuck ups from your team? He'd hand you your ass i'm sure...that's what mine would do, and that's how most people in management are treated because you are held accountable for your team. They are a reflection of you...and ultimately you live or die by your ability to understand how they motivate themselves to get the results you are asking for. Simple as that.

All this constant fucking bullshit about how "the players are to blame" and the "gaffer doesn't kick the ball" etc are just not holding water for me these days...sorry. Hughes has enough talent on this squad to mix it up and get a result vs fucking Bolton.

cheers

15 GAMES AND WE ARE STILL MAKING MISTAKES AT THE BACK..AND NOT JUST THE ODD MISTAKE.......I SHIT MYSELF WHENEVER A TEAM HAS A FREE KICK OR CORNER AGAINST US AS WE ARE SO VUNERABLE.

ALL IM SAYING IS WOULD IT NOT BE WISE TO BRING IN SOMEONE ELSE ( A FORMER TOP DEFENDER....APART FROM BOWEN ) TO ADD SOMETHING NEW TO THE DEFENSE AND GET 50 MILLION QUIDS WORTH TO START PERFORMING??

IS THAT SUCH A BAD IDEA?...I PERSONLY THINK IT,S A POSITIVE IDEA.

no reasonable person could argue with that. Hughes included. His management team aren't getting the results from the lads. Let someone come in and mix it up...even just spending a few weeks in an advisory role. Doesn't have to be a permanent position, but someone who can help address why the head isn't allowing the body to do what it should know how to do time and again after years and years or training and experience.

One thing i am always puzzled by is that when it comes to sports in the US every aspect or element of the team game has a coach...someone responsible for every skill position or technique. Footy seems to lack that kind of setup and i think most teams would do wonders to have a lot more coaches in general.

Take American football for example -- you have a Head Coach, and then someone responsible for Offense and Defense. Within those Offensive and Defensive coaches you have coaches responsible for Quarterbacks, running backs, receivers and the offensive line. Defensively you have coaches responsible for Linebackers, defensive line, and safeties...then a Special Teams (kicks, and returns, etc) coach as well. It's a bigger squad (a roster of probably 2x a football team) but still if you look at the span of control and function the players perform -- you could stand for 2-3 more coaches in a typical setup it seems to me.

The equivalent in footy probably seems expensive, but honestly with our cash we should have a coach for how to take a shit properly before a match for maximum performance if someone decides it can help.

cheers

[ant london]

The equivalent in footy probably seems expensive, but honestly with our cash we should have a coach for how to take a shit properly before a match for maximum performance if someone decides it can help.

cheers

hahaha.....whilst I think you are maybe taking this to a deliberately silly extreme here....I actually fully agree

[Goataldo]

WHY?...DO YOU THINK THE MESSAGE COULD BE MISINTERPRETED?

hehe....actually

IREALLYFOOKINLIKEALLTHREEOPTIONS

bollocks it was annoying not to win today but we played ok IMO

WE PLAYED SHITE MATE.........AND YOU KNOW IT.

EVERY SINGLE TIME TEAMS AROUND US FUCK UP SO DO WE..........IT,S JUST ANNOYING.

This is something that keeps getting mentioned in other threads - "We missed an opportunity today" . so did Chelsea, U***d, Spurs... A fan of every single club in the country, particularly those in the top 7 of the league, could say what you've just said.

This is not something that is exclusive to City. Annoying it most certainly is, but that's obviously the nature of the game this season and as long as the others don't start going on winning streaks while we're left behind, I won't be freaking out.

Liverpool fans and the manager are "100%" sure they'll finish in the top four this season. I'm quite confident Baconface and the ragettes are quite sure they can win the title. If Arsenal win today, I reckon the gooners and Wenger will be stating how close they are to the top with a game in hand.

The only plausible explanation I can think of as to why a few of our own fans are over anxious and over critical of our season so far is because they are not used to genuinely being in the mix with the big boys. And because we didn't have say five transitional years to get into that mix, the over expectancy and lack of knowledge of how a team performs in patches of a top four chasing season combined causes frustration and confusion IMO.

I disagree that we need to sack the coaches and I'll disagree as long as we CAN finish in the top four. And the main point I was making about the other teams/fans believing they are very much on target is because they still CAN. Sacking coaches that so far have us on target makes no sense.

That said, should it become abundantly clear that we can't make our target and its the coaches to blame, then as a Man City fan I'll want it sorted. I keep being associated with being a lover of Mark Hughes but in all honesty I couldn't care less about the man, or his taffia mates. But while there will be mistakes made by everyone at the club at times during the season, I will not want any of them removed for fear of disrupting a season that is looking very positive on the whole. In fact, the most positive I can remember.

A great point bloody well made.

[dazby]

Someone like Frank Lebeouf or yes Tony Adams would be ideal. Wouldn't have to be a big stint. Just a month to pass on some experience and shore things up.

[DoomMerchant]

The equivalent in footy probably seems expensive, but honestly with our cash we should have a coach for how to take a shit properly before a match for maximum performance if someone decides it can help.

cheers

hahaha.....whilst I think you are maybe taking this to a deliberately silly extreme here....I actually fully agree

the first day's training could go something like:

"ok lads...this is a fucking chest of drawers. DO NOT SHIT on a chest of drawers. Shit in the toilet. Tomorrow we'll discuss wiping techniques."

cheers

[dazby]

wow, I'd like to sign up for a course like that. I'm always shitting in my chest of drawers. Stupid white porcelain drawers. I knew I should have gone for a different colour.

[ant london]

wow, I'd like to sign up for a course like that. I'm always shitting in my chest of drawers. Stupid white porcelain drawers. I knew I should have gone for a different colour.

silly Dazby.....you missed the joke somewhat here ;-)

[dazby]

Did I really? I did read the reference earlier in the thread. If there are other circumstances I should be aware of please let me know.

[Slim]

The problem with Saturday was we failed to lay out the team properly and we didn't do our defensive homework.

Now De Jong change was enforced but to play Barry and Kompany in the midfield was going to offer less than a midfield of De Jong and Ireland, maybe Hughes thought he needed two more rounded players in that central role, but it shouldn't come as a shock that we woke up when Ireland came on, he is really the central cog in our forward movement and playing him as a regular starter should be a no brainer for me. Kompany has really failed to impress when he has started which is in stark contrast to his subs appearances, so I think he has wrote himself a good solid role there, but not one that warrants starting.

The second was fucking unforgivable, everyone knows how Bolton play, god my Mum knows how they play and the volume of loose balls bouncing in our own area was astonishing. I swear you should watch the replay and play a drinking game based on it, you wouldn't make it past the hour. We needed a deeper lying defensive midfielder and someone needed to sit on Davies like he was a beanbag chair. He was magnificent(okay, they play shitty football, but for what he is supposed to do he was unplayable) and no-one stepped up and denied him the ball once. Second and third chances are how they grind out points and we failed to adjust to that way of playing and paid the price for it three times. Twice from fucking throwins? FFS, just unforgivable.

Now the first is all Hughes and while part enforced, the lack of awareness to realise 4-3-3 was the way to start and I cannot fathom why Robinho wasn't starting, this is just the sort of game he could have turned his season around on and we need his unlocking ability to get in behind these deep lying teams, when SWP went off I thought at least we'll put Robinho on...or not.

The second is entirely the fault of the coaches to lay out the defence properly or the players to carry out the instructions, someone should get a bollocking for this, and yes we drew with 10 men, but if we cannot beat the 19th placed team in this league I wonder how many points we are going to get away from home that come as easy as this.

[carl_feedthegoat]

The problem with Saturday was we failed to lay out the team properly and we didn't do our defensive homework.

Now De Jong change was enforced but to play Barry and Kompany in the midfield was going to offer less than a midfield of De Jong and Ireland, maybe Hughes thought he needed two more rounded players in that central role, but it shouldn't come as a shock that we woke up when Ireland came on, he is really the central cog in our forward movement and playing him as a regular starter should be a no brainer for me. Kompany has really failed to impress when he has started which is in stark contrast to his subs appearances, so I think he has wrote himself a good solid role there, but not one that warrants starting.

The second was fucking unforgivable, everyone knows how Bolton play, god my Mum knows how they play and the volume of loose balls bouncing in our own area was astonishing. I swear you should watch the replay and play a drinking game based on it, you wouldn't make it past the hour. We needed a deeper lying defensive midfielder and someone needed to sit on Davies like he was a beanbag chair. He was magnificent(okay, they play shitty football, but for what he is supposed to do he was unplayable) and no-one stepped up and denied him the ball once. Second and third chances are how they grind out points and we failed to adjust to that way of playing and paid the price for it three times. Twice from fucking throwins? FFS, just unforgivable.

Now the first is all Hughes and while part enforced, the lack of awareness to realise 4-3-3 was the way to start and I cannot fathom why Robinho wasn't starting, this is just the sort of game he could have turned his season around on and we need his unlocking ability to get in behind these deep lying teams, when SWP went off I thought at least we'll put Robinho on...or not.

The second is entirely the fault of the coaches to lay out the defence properly or the players to carry out the instructions, someone should get a bollocking for this, and yes we drew with 10 men, but if we cannot beat the 19th placed team in this league I wonder how many points we are going to get away from home that come as easy as this.

I THINK IT,S BLATENTLY OBVIOUS THE COACHES CANT SORT IT OUT OTHERWISE WE WOULD NOT BE WITNESSING THE BENNY HILL SHOW AT THE BACK FOR SO LONG.

LIKE I STATED EARLIER IN THE POST (ONCE I HAD CALMED DOWN A TAD) I THINK IT WOULD BE BENFECIAL IF THEY BROUGHT IN A RECOGNIZED TOP FORMER DEFENDER TO MIX IT UP AND ADVISE THE BACK 4.


P.S - I COULDNT GIVE 2 SHITS WHETHER OR NOT HE HAS A COACHES BADGE,SCOUTS BADGE OR ANY OTHER UEFA RECOGNIZED BADGES...............IF YOU HAVE THE EXPERIENCE THEN YOUR GOOD ENOUGH TO SHARE THAT WITH THE PLAYERS.

[carl_feedthegoat]

ILL GO WITH SACK THEM ALL AND TAKE YOUR WELSH WIZARD WITH YOU.

INEPT IS NOT ENOUGH TO DESCRIBE HOW SHITE YOU ARE.


WE NEED A FIRST CLASS MANAGER AND FIRST CLASS COACHES TO GET THE WORLD CLASS STARS PERFORMING.
UNTIL THEN WE WILL NOT DO ANYTHING.
IM SURE THE HUGHES LICKERS WILL COME UP WITH THEIR USUAL DRIVEL - PROBABLY MENTION THE FACT WE HAVE A GAME IN HAND.



PATHETIC.

[Fidel Castro]

It's not just the coaches that are shit, I'm starting to think the players are overrated and we're looking at their price tag and not their actual ability

[Grob]

Watching the game tonight i had absolutly no idea what we were trying to do. There was no pattern of play. Its like they were sent out there to get in each others way.

These players are not bad players, they are just disorganised and demotivated for occassions such as 9 out of the last 10 league games.

How Hughes can get it so right against arsenel and chelsea and so badly wrong on saturday and tonight is a complete and utter mystery to me. Its literally unexplainable.

[The Original Special One]

My granny iknows more about football than that shower!

[zuricity]

Watching the game tonight i had absolutly no idea what we were trying to do. There was no pattern of play. Its like they were sent out there to get in each others way.

These players are not bad players, they are just disorganised and demotivated for occassions such as 9 out of the last 10 league games.

How Hughes can get it so right against arsenel and chelsea and so badly wrong on saturday and tonight is a complete and utter mystery to me. Its literally unexplainable.

What on earth makes you think he got it right against Chelsea and Arsenal ? we were only a penalty miss away from a draw against Chelsea and Arsenal started with their youngsters.

I've said for ages now that he should drop Barry, but he still plays him. Barry is having a nightmare season, so too Adebayor - lazy and disinterested. Don't ask me what I think about Toure ......

[edge275]

Watching the game tonight i had absolutly no idea what we were trying to do. There was no pattern of play. Its like they were sent out there to get in each others way.

These players are not bad players, they are just disorganised and demotivated for occassions such as 9 out of the last 10 league games.

How Hughes can get it so right against arsenel and chelsea and so badly wrong on saturday and tonight is a complete and utter mystery to me. Its literally unexplainable.

What on earth makes you think he got it right against Chelsea and Arsenal ? we were only a penalty miss away from a draw against Chelsea and Arsenal started with their youngsters.

I've said for ages now that he should drop Barry, but he still plays him. Barry is having a nightmare season, so too Adebayor - lazy and disinterested. Don't ask me what I think about Toure ......

As I've mentioned in my 'squad depth' topic. All three players are injured but yet Hughes still plays them.