Scouse Red A REAL Club In Trouble

[zuricity]

West Ham, now there's a REAL club in trouble!

True but if they survive relegation they will be ok...The scouse have far more expectations on them than WHU.A big club like L/Pool out of the top 4 will hit them hard.The Hammers will be ok if they dont get the drop.

We're a pretty good call to be relegated this season, to be honest and that fact goes hand in hand with the other, namely that we're in a financial nightmare of a position as a going concern.

However, the same is capable of being said of more than a couple of other teams, Hull and Pompey the obvious candidates. Its also true that there is very little quality in any of the bottom half teams this season. Stoke had a great start, but haven't won a match for ages. Wigan are an amazingly inconsistent outfit. Wolves may not survive injuries to their sqaud as the season progresses.

But, as suggested, LFC are different gravy; they risk the loss of a whole stream of income at a time when they are desperate for cash.

Seriously, could it be happening to a nicer club?

Seriously, could it be happening to a nicer club?

Perhaps Trafford Rangers ? or maybe Wengers Wizzards?

[Bingo Lewis]

They're still only one place behind us (....somehow??!) so I'm not quite ready to get all smug yet.

If we can turn over the spurs this week, I shall feel a lot more confident in the fact that LFC are not really our main competition for 4th spot.

That'll probably be because we've only won one of our last 8 games mate... Not sure Spurs are playing well enough at the moment for us to beat them.

one in 10 mate

[Wonderwall]

Time for a cheeky £40mil bid on Torres me thinks

Aside from Torres and Gerrard, I don't think any of their other players would get in our team.

Also, if you want to wind a scouser up, tell him (or her) that Given is a different class to Reina, they fucking hate it.

disagree, i think babel is one of the best players in the league and would free bellers up to come on as a striker were he's best which would also mean we wouldnt have to bring santa cruz on unless we had injuries which would make me very very happy because i think he is terrible

babel is awful, and I mean really awful, he hardly ever looks up as he has to look at his feet to see where the ball is. He cannot cross and and is so one footed it beggers belief. I sincerely hope he never EVER wears the city blue.

[9secondlegend]

Time for a cheeky £40mil bid on Torres me thinks

Aside from Torres and Gerrard, I don't think any of their other players would get in our team.

Also, if you want to wind a scouser up, tell him (or her) that Given is a different class to Reina, they fucking hate it.

disagree, i think babel is one of the best players in the league and would free bellers up to come on as a striker were he's best which would also mean we wouldnt have to bring santa cruz on unless we had injuries which would make me very very happy because i think he is terrible

babel is awful, and I mean really awful, he hardly ever looks up as he has to look at his feet to see where the ball is. He cannot cross and and is so one footed it beggers belief. I sincerely hope he never EVER wears the city blue.

my mate is a season ticket holder at anfield and he reckons babel and kuyt are total wank. i think kuyt is ok and babel but then again i only see liverpool on m.o.d.

[john68]

Write Liverpool off at your peril. No, they cannot win the prem but they aren't a member of the 'big four' for nothing. They are consistently better than a lot of teams and have been for years. Rafa doesn't become a shit manager overnight either, he has proved what he can do. They are having a bad time at the moment but are still within 4 points of 4th even though they have lost more games than Stoke now. Gerrard and Torres started for the first time together in 12 games so when they click again they will be a force to be reckoned with. We are hardly pulling up trees in the league with all our draws, Spurs & Villa are not convincing enough for me to think either of them will grab 4th as well.
That's what makes our form all the more fustrating. Just when Liverpool are having a dip in form we are not taking advantage and i fear we will regret these draws come the end of the season.

Very true mate. Liverpool will be there or there abouts for 4th. The season is a long one.

It's a pity that last bit applies to Liverpool but is ignored when we are being discussed.

[9secondlegend]

Write Liverpool off at your peril. No, they cannot win the prem but they aren't a member of the 'big four' for nothing. They are consistently better than a lot of teams and have been for years. Rafa doesn't become a shit manager overnight either, he has proved what he can do. They are having a bad time at the moment but are still within 4 points of 4th even though they have lost more games than Stoke now. Gerrard and Torres started for the first time together in 12 games so when they click again they will be a force to be reckoned with. We are hardly pulling up trees in the league with all our draws, Spurs & Villa are not convincing enough for me to think either of them will grab 4th as well.
That's what makes our form all the more fustrating. Just when Liverpool are having a dip in form we are not taking advantage and i fear we will regret these draws come the end of the season.

Very true mate. Liverpool will be there or there abouts for 4th. The season is a long one.

It's a pity that last bit applies to Liverpool but is ignored when we are being discussed.

because we are used to being shit and liverpool being good.

[Wonderwall]

Write Liverpool off at your peril. No, they cannot win the prem but they aren't a member of the 'big four' for nothing. They are consistently better than a lot of teams and have been for years. Rafa doesn't become a shit manager overnight either, he has proved what he can do. They are having a bad time at the moment but are still within 4 points of 4th even though they have lost more games than Stoke now. Gerrard and Torres started for the first time together in 12 games so when they click again they will be a force to be reckoned with. We are hardly pulling up trees in the league with all our draws, Spurs & Villa are not convincing enough for me to think either of them will grab 4th as well.
That's what makes our form all the more fustrating. Just when Liverpool are having a dip in form we are not taking advantage and i fear we will regret these draws come the end of the season.

Very true mate. Liverpool will be there or there abouts for 4th. The season is a long one.

It's a pity that last bit applies to Liverpool but is ignored when we are being discussed.

FPMSL, well picked up John h ha

[ashton287]

Time for a cheeky £40mil bid on Torres me thinks

Aside from Torres and Gerrard, I don't think any of their other players would get in our team.

Also, if you want to wind a scouser up, tell him (or her) that Given is a different class to Reina, they fucking hate it.

disagree, i think babel is one of the best players in the league and would free bellers up to come on as a striker were he's best which would also mean we wouldnt have to bring santa cruz on unless we had injuries which would make me very very happy because i think he is terrible

benitez doesn't seem toagree, considering the limited game time he gets. I sure don't agree either. Babel is very hit and miss. He does have the odd good game/does the odd good action, but he's just too inconsistent.

benitez is a fat spanish waiter so i put no stock in his judgment. like letting alonso go i said before that he was just as big a part of that team as gerrard but anyway babel is young and i think any inconsistency is due to unrest at the club and maybe a lack of experience but he has already come out and said he isnt happy there because of benitez so i think we should take him off there handshe's better then petrov and bellers on the left anyway

[Kiss_The_Goat]

Time for a cheeky £40mil bid on Torres me thinks

Aside from Torres and Gerrard, I don't think any of their other players would get in our team.

Also, if you want to wind a scouser up, tell him (or her) that Given is a different class to Reina, they fucking hate it.

disagree, i think babel is one of the best players in the league and would free bellers up to come on as a striker were he's best which would also mean we wouldnt have to bring santa cruz on unless we had injuries which would make me very very happy because i think he is terrible

benitez doesn't seem toagree, considering the limited game time he gets. I sure don't agree either. Babel is very hit and miss. He does have the odd good game/does the odd good action, but he's just too inconsistent.

benitez is a fat spanish waiter so i put no stock in his judgment. like letting alonso go i said before that he was just as big a part of that team as gerrard but anyway babel is young and i think any inconsistency is due to unrest at the club and maybe a lack of experience but he has already come out and said he isnt happy there because of benitez so i think we should take him off there handshe's better then petrov and bellers on the left anyway

Yeh Babel is shite IMO. His main problem is that he doesn't seem to have a position. He's technically good on the ball and has pace, but his decision making is awful. Up front he's too weak and is never in the right positions, and out wide his final ball is poor and he doesnt beat his full back enough. More money wasted. They only have themselves to blame. Benitez has spent a fortune on very very average players. He's spent 308 million on players in the last 6 seasons on shit!

[9secondlegend]

Time for a cheeky £40mil bid on Torres me thinks

Aside from Torres and Gerrard, I don't think any of their other players would get in our team.

Also, if you want to wind a scouser up, tell him (or her) that Given is a different class to Reina, they fucking hate it.

disagree, i think babel is one of the best players in the league and would free bellers up to come on as a striker were he's best which would also mean we wouldnt have to bring santa cruz on unless we had injuries which would make me very very happy because i think he is terrible

benitez doesn't seem toagree, considering the limited game time he gets. I sure don't agree either. Babel is very hit and miss. He does have the odd good game/does the odd good action, but he's just too inconsistent.

benitez is a fat spanish waiter so i put no stock in his judgment. like letting alonso go i said before that he was just as big a part of that team as gerrard but anyway babel is young and i think any inconsistency is due to unrest at the club and maybe a lack of experience but he has already come out and said he isnt happy there because of benitez so i think we should take him off there handshe's better then petrov and bellers on the left anyway

A fat spanish waiter that has won a lot more and knows a lot more than our current manager.

[9secondlegend]

Time for a cheeky £40mil bid on Torres me thinks

Aside from Torres and Gerrard, I don't think any of their other players would get in our team.

Also, if you want to wind a scouser up, tell him (or her) that Given is a different class to Reina, they fucking hate it.

disagree, i think babel is one of the best players in the league and would free bellers up to come on as a striker were he's best which would also mean we wouldnt have to bring santa cruz on unless we had injuries which would make me very very happy because i think he is terrible

benitez doesn't seem toagree, considering the limited game time he gets. I sure don't agree either. Babel is very hit and miss. He does have the odd good game/does the odd good action, but he's just too inconsistent.

benitez is a fat spanish waiter so i put no stock in his judgment. like letting alonso go i said before that he was just as big a part of that team as gerrard but anyway babel is young and i think any inconsistency is due to unrest at the club and maybe a lack of experience but he has already come out and said he isnt happy there because of benitez so i think we should take him off there handshe's better then petrov and bellers on the left anyway

A fat spanish waiter that has won a lot more and knows a lot more than our current manager.

[Socrates]

They're still only one place behind us (....somehow??!) so I'm not quite ready to get all smug yet.

If we can turn over the spurs this week, I shall feel a lot more confident in the fact that LFC are not really our main competition for 4th spot.

That'll probably be because we've only won one of our last 8 games mate... Not sure Spurs are playing well enough at the moment for us to beat them.

one in 10 mate

we're both wrong, 1 in 9 but 2 in 10 lol. 10 ago was win against Walmai Utd, i miscounted the draws in my head.

[ant london]

Interesting and reasonably realistic appraisal here from a Liverpool fan in a letter to f365


Can You Handle The Truth?
As a Liverpool fan, this season has been hard to bear. It's been made all the worst after the over achievement of last year's league finish and the obvious hype that followed from the pundits and media who said this season would be our year - not many Liverpool fans actually say that by the way. I never thought that we would win the league this year, what's been difficult to accept so far this season is the manner in which we have played.

Liverpool have been on the slippery slope ever since Souness destroyed our team when he was appointed in '91, we missed our chance of continuing our successful era in to the Premier League and have never recovered. This has been compounded by the lucky sequence of events which has led Man Utd to dominate the league ever since - a once in a lifetime crop of youngsters that turned out to be world class and gave Man U a massive foot up with the quality of players they had, without having to outlay what would have been a fortune all at once. Success also coincided with the new BSkyB Prem League money and the advantage of playing in the Champs League - having the most money and playing in the best European competition led to better players and more fans worldwide and in turn more money, obviously. Old Trafford has been redeveloped over the years to be what it is today, teams like Liverpool and Arsenal couldn't redevelop the stadium and have to spend a fortune to build a new one to match Old Traffords capacity and match day revenue.

Liverpools failings however are down to our own mistakes, not the success of Man Utd. The future doesn't look good at the moment for Liverpool, football has historically worked in cycles with good/bad eras for most clubs, but with the money in the game now it seems that money buys success which in turn leads to more money and more success. It seems that the only way Liverpool can now compete for the title is for an Abu Dhabi style takeover that brings Liverpool back on a level footing with Man U, Chelsea, Man City, or alternatively like Arsenal, find a very special manager that can work miracles.

I don't think that Benitez can work miracles, and don't think that, given the choice I would want him as manager if we did end up with millions to spend. Benitez has had the time afforded to him to build a squad and it seems that we are no further forward than when he took charge. We have squandered Gerrards best years and we wont get too many more out of him, we don't have anyone coming through who looks anything like being able to replace him. The future doesn't look good for Liverpool at the moment, this season looks to be a write off already, I just hope that we at least show some spirit for the remainder of the season, which includes when we are loosing. Here's hoping for a good Christmas and a better New Year.
Tom

[walmai]

He should try supporting a truly desperate club. Bet he typed that wearing a black armband.

[ant london]

He should try supporting a truly desperate club. Bet he typed that wearing a black armband.

mate, agree

check out the thread about owners.....that's the one I would really like to hear your views on