Ted Hughes wrote:One fucking result & the dissastisfied crew only has 4 of us ?
I mean, I'm only short term dissatisfied anyway (hopefully) but one fucking result !? At least I'm going to give it a few weeks before any potential move up the ladder toward the satisfied club.
So if we lose on Sunday then every cunt is going to jump on the dissatisfied bandwagon again, but if we win there'll be more satisfaction than a one song Rolling Stones tribute band doing a 3 hour set ?
Part time dissatisfied fucks.
john68 wrote:Dazzler,
The poll was quite clearly set in the now and apart from our good showing against 2 very poor sides, we have been abysmal against sides who we should have taken apart.
How anyone could be satisfied up to know is beyond me.
What happens in the future has already been allowed for by the change your vote facility.
AG7 wrote:A 4+ goals tonking of the scum on Sunday will see a huge bump in Highly Satisfied portion ... and even a narrow 1goal defeat swing it the other way ... while a draw will still keep people in Dissatisfied bit ...
The poll is reflective more of the general fans mood rather than the manager's performance ...
AG7 wrote:A 4+ goals tonking of the scum on Sunday will see a huge bump in Highly Satisfied portion ... and even a narrow 1goal defeat swing it the other way ... while a draw will still keep people in Dissatisfied bit ...
AG7 wrote:The poll is reflective more of the general fans mood rather than the manager's performance ...
AG7 wrote: The poll is reflective more of the general fans mood rather than the manager's performance ...
Bleed_Blue wrote:AG7 wrote: The poll is reflective more of the general fans mood rather than the manager's performance ...
If the poll is general fans mood and it changes with time which you already know, you should show by a line chart my friend not by a poll. You are using wrong tools to measure here.
Lol, cant help writing that
brite blu sky wrote:AG7 wrote:The poll is reflective more of the general fans mood rather than the manager's performance ...
While that may the case for some, there are plenty that have explained their dissatisfaction also stated it is short term.
Just to emphasise that a win for me, even v rags, wouldn't put this to bed. 'Normally' you would say that a manager has a honeymoon period, but in this case we have what was a title winning team that had just been underperforming... and not due to iether lack of ability, personnel or basic tactics. That isn't really a normal situation that new managers face that often.
So from my view it isn't that we need to give him time to build something, it is already there. The dissatisfaction I have is that for whatever reason he has allowed a glaringly obvious problem to arise.
They didn't need to loan Barry, they didn't need to throw Fernando into an almost impossible situation of covering for Yaya and on top of that probably didn't need to change from zonal while getting other stuff sorted.
Basically Pellegrini has presided over creating their own problems. It was just unnecessary and fixing it is going to take at least as much deflection of focus and energy as it would have to have had a progressive plan with GazBaz doing a job until he was redundant.
All that aside I'm confident that the end result that Pell is looking to create will be top notch and I believe he will get there. The buys have been good players and clearly already we can see his man management is on another planet to Bob, there is plenty of evidence for that.
( ok thinking of the excuse or reason to set up the way Pell has; could be this. For the system that he is looking to create, barca style pressing, it is vital that the front 6 plus the FBs operate as a unit in ball recovery, that has to happen like a trip switch as soon as we lose possession. Ball player closed down and chased and all passing options covered. So the excuse is that if you try to do that a man light, ie. someone just sat as DM, then you make the task 12.5% harder... while the team is learning it that will feel like a good 20% at least. That could be the sole reason they are not employing a DM. That could also be the reason they loaned Barry as the rest of the team have been given a statement of intent that they will not be given the luxury of a possible DM as a safety net. In other words it is do this or fail ).
This is what I believe is the situation, however I am troubled by it for a couple of reasons. I think it is too arrogant and bloody minded to some degree and I think it does not take the playing style of Yaya Toure into account. At City his role has developed, but his game hasn't changed much. At Barca he was the one player that wasn't employed in ball chasing; Why? Answer: he isn't very good at it. Quick changes of direction are not his thing. Why was such a good player superfluous to requirements at barca?
So you see from my perspective and understanding Pelligrini is going for the right thing but has not figured how to deal with Yaya's weakness. Barca used him intelligently sat a good 10 yds deeper than the play so he had time to run at any breaks and could read the game from there, in practice he ended up as the spare player that they passed to back out of the melee in order to feed it back in somewhere else. He hardly ever went into the pack in front of him. People referred to him as the DM, but that wasn't correct as it wasn't what he was doing in practice.
As we have seen there is a lot more to Yaya's game, but his weaknesses present a difficult problem if you are trying to implement a total football philosophy based on the barca style pressing game.
Socrates wrote:brite blu sky wrote:AG7 wrote:The poll is reflective more of the general fans mood rather than the manager's performance ...
While that may the case for some, there are plenty that have explained their dissatisfaction also stated it is short term.
Just to emphasise that a win for me, even v rags, wouldn't put this to bed. 'Normally' you would say that a manager has a honeymoon period, but in this case we have what was a title winning team that had just been underperforming... and not due to iether lack of ability, personnel or basic tactics. That isn't really a normal situation that new managers face that often.
So from my view it isn't that we need to give him time to build something, it is already there. The dissatisfaction I have is that for whatever reason he has allowed a glaringly obvious problem to arise.
They didn't need to loan Barry, they didn't need to throw Fernando into an almost impossible situation of covering for Yaya and on top of that probably didn't need to change from zonal while getting other stuff sorted.
Basically Pellegrini has presided over creating their own problems. It was just unnecessary and fixing it is going to take at least as much deflection of focus and energy as it would have to have had a progressive plan with GazBaz doing a job until he was redundant.
All that aside I'm confident that the end result that Pell is looking to create will be top notch and I believe he will get there. The buys have been good players and clearly already we can see his man management is on another planet to Bob, there is plenty of evidence for that.
( ok thinking of the excuse or reason to set up the way Pell has; could be this. For the system that he is looking to create, barca style pressing, it is vital that the front 6 plus the FBs operate as a unit in ball recovery, that has to happen like a trip switch as soon as we lose possession. Ball player closed down and chased and all passing options covered. So the excuse is that if you try to do that a man light, ie. someone just sat as DM, then you make the task 12.5% harder... while the team is learning it that will feel like a good 20% at least. That could be the sole reason they are not employing a DM. That could also be the reason they loaned Barry as the rest of the team have been given a statement of intent that they will not be given the luxury of a possible DM as a safety net. In other words it is do this or fail ).
This is what I believe is the situation, however I am troubled by it for a couple of reasons. I think it is too arrogant and bloody minded to some degree and I think it does not take the playing style of Yaya Toure into account. At City his role has developed, but his game hasn't changed much. At Barca he was the one player that wasn't employed in ball chasing; Why? Answer: he isn't very good at it. Quick changes of direction are not his thing. Why was such a good player superfluous to requirements at barca?
So you see from my perspective and understanding Pelligrini is going for the right thing but has not figured how to deal with Yaya's weakness. Barca used him intelligently sat a good 10 yds deeper than the play so he had time to run at any breaks and could read the game from there, in practice he ended up as the spare player that they passed to back out of the melee in order to feed it back in somewhere else. He hardly ever went into the pack in front of him. People referred to him as the DM, but that wasn't correct as it wasn't what he was doing in practice.
As we have seen there is a lot more to Yaya's game, but his weaknesses present a difficult problem if you are trying to implement a total football philosophy based on the barca style pressing game.
Very good post and amazed it has not sparked some serious discussion. I hadn't considered that Yaya isn't suited to a forward role if we are playing a pressing game but can see you are right and it makes sense more and more why he was deployed deeper at Barca and most of the time with Mancini, just released late on when needed and when defences were tired. Ball chasing was Joey Barton's specialty, maybe we should drop Yaya and get him back ;)
Ted Hughes wrote:I don't think Yaya is the best person you could ever have pressing the ball, but I'd put him ahead of Dzeko, Aguero & Silva any day of the week. If we get those 3 pressing the ball for 90 mins I don't think Yaya will be a problem amongst them.
blues2win wrote:Actually I think you're being a bit unfair to Aguero Ted. He's not bad at pressing the ball although probably not in the Tevez class.
I would far rather play three in central midfield with say Rodwell or Milner providing defensive cover. Today though my main concerns are cover for Kolarov ( Milner not Nasri) and Fellaini's heading ability at set pieces. We don't really have an aerially dominant CB so Yaya and Dzeko need to be fully involved in defending set pieces. United should fear Aguero vs Camel gob. If we can get him turned running at The scum defence there'll be only one winner.
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