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Re: Post Match comments Welsh runts V Man City

Postby Goaters 103 » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:50 am

So new starts, feel good factor, holistic manager etc, and as soon as we go away from home we turn in the exact same sort of stuff we did under Mancini against bus parking teams, but this time with an added twist - we cant defend any bread and butter corner into our box.

Same old same old with possession of the ball, far too slow in the passing and again it took us an age to get the ball into the danger areas. Fernandinho and Ya Ya were awful in possession yesterday, giving it away and Mr Fernandinho was also painfully slow and lightweight in the tackle - that's the Javi Garcia cent midfield effect so Im hoping he's going to improve 300% on what we saw yesterday. For his fee he better bloody had do.

Hart's confidence looks shot and the other noticeable thing is that we have far too many Indians and absolutely no chiefs on the field. Where the hell were ay leaders out there for us yesterday? We can spend all the money we want and talk about new leases of life, but the whole of the premiership knows that if Kompany is out, the whole house can come caving in, especially away from home.

At least we have the CL draw on Friday - so long as we avoid anyone of Cardiff's level we will be ok.
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Re: Post Match comments Welsh runts V Man City

Postby Hazy2 » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:51 am

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mcfc1632 wrote:I was at the other end of the ground and so up to reading this thread I had assumed that the issue was with a lack of a quality CH getting their head on the ball - FFS Campbell!!! - seemed to jump unchallenged.

But the thread seems to show Hart was to blame - can someone explain where the blame lies please - got involved with Stella for many hours after the game so not seen any replays


Hart came out and then scurried back to his line. If you commit, make sure you take the fecking ball!!


But also Zabaleta was supposed to be picking up Campbell & made a right fucking mess of it both times.

Just as much to blame as Hart for the 2nd & totally to blame for the 3rd.



Goal one came when we were one up and maybe just maybe thinking the job was done.I felt relaxed because we had scored and maybe the team did even if subconciously.The ball was on the right side and we had enough players around it and their players that there should have been no trouble.The problem was we were allowing them to keep the ball as if "don't worry we are in control what are they going to do".

Then Kim took it into his own hands and tried running past our players for the line.WE ALLOWED that to happen and he got in a decent low cross to the near post.One of our centre backs should just knock it out for a corner but neither were well placed enough.That allowed the man from the far post who had left his man , Zaba, to run to the near post to connect with the ball.The rest is history and Joe as a bit unlucky after making an initial decent save.

Goal 2 was a mixture of 2 errors with Joe Hart's being the worst.He was too bothered with some goon standing right in front of him that he was late reacting to the cross and ended up[ flapping at thin air.That allowed Campbell , who again had lost Zaba, to power a shouldered goal.

Goal 3 was even more Zaba losing Campbell as he headed home a corner from a different side with effectively no challenge.

Based on that game I should put Campbell in my fantasy side but I won't because he is shit.


It had a feel of Bayern away in control for long periods.

Joe Makes a stop from out wide.The world stops for us and bang goal,from that point on we become a mess, no leadership no steadying of the ship. If Cambell was Sturidge he could have had at lest 3. Shit player gets two is more worrying Doug. I am hoping that is a major blip done if not we are in for some pretty scary times. Kun and Dzeko should be ripping it up against this opos.
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Re: Post Match comments Welsh runts V Man City

Postby Original Dub » Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:23 am

The biggest problem yesterday was the lack of balls in the side.

We had obvious problems that come along with changing systems, manager and playing staff. A lot of that adjustment period can be overcome with having a solid spine and a couple of leaders on the pitch. We lost our captain and Yaya decided, as he often does, that he didn't want to give 100%. Zabba had a rare mare which didn't help either.

We lost a leader when we lost Tevez, so basically we have no leader in that half of the park. Pelli needs to sort out which of Fernandinho and Yaya is going to mainly play in the oppo half and I'm hoping it's Yaya. That is where we really lost it IMO.

He better fucking sort it soon, but I'm quite confident he will.
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Re: Post Match comments Welsh runts V Man City

Postby branny » Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:30 am

Why was Zabba picking up Campbell though? Surely the CB's should be responsible for picking up cf's at corners.
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Re: Post Match comments Welsh runts V Man City

Postby mcfc1632 » Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:45 am

branny wrote:Why was Zabba picking up Campbell though? Surely the CB's should be responsible for picking up cf's at corners.



my thoughts exactly
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Re: Post Match comments Welsh runts V Man City

Postby Dubciteh » Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:54 am

branny wrote:Why was Zabba picking up Campbell though? Surely the CB's should be responsible for picking up cf's at corners.


Why? Would vidic mark aguero? No its big on big small on small. They teach you that on day one.
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Re: Post Match comments Welsh runts V Man City

Postby mcfc1632 » Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:39 pm

agreed - what I had thought was that the best headers should mark the opponents biggest threats - surely someone other than Zabba should have been marking that ex-scum twat
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Re: Post Match comments Welsh runts V Man City

Postby Herb » Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:42 pm

No offence to Joe Hart's fan club - I couldn't see wrong in him myself at one time, but I'll be surprised if this doesn't get Costel the start that he's deserved on merit for some time. If he'd have been between the posts doing his usual commanding the area routine yesterday (that thing that he does but Joe finds impossible) then we'd have won it and discussions would be different today.
If we had De Gea and the rags had Hart, we'd be top with a 9 point lead and they'd be in 12th place - that's the difference between a 'good' keeper and a 'top class' keeper - 12 places - think about it.
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Re: Post Match comments Welsh runts V Man City

Postby Socrates » Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:00 pm

mcfc1632 wrote:agreed - what I had thought was that the best headers should mark the opponents biggest threats - surely someone other than Zabba should have been marking that ex-scum twat


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Re: Post Match comments Welsh runts V Man City

Postby Cit.revenge » Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:09 pm

Leaders ??? we have no defense we had 3 goals in our net from Cardiff(these line up back four get 9 goals in 3 games AC, Arsenal Cardiff), Yaya don't wanna run, and hes so slow when he is not in mood . Hart don't rule hes goalkeeper space , Garcia is not CB.We had one counter attack whole game .These is how u brake this side like Cardiff, when they have a ball u let them few pass then whole line press them,they make mistake u take ball counter and goal.We did not press them once . we play like it s a basketball. Our turn to attack, their turn to attack (then wait until they set up their wall so Yaya can touch ball 20754 times and pass it on closed side).And what is worse we had them, we score goal like rags from nothing .Then it was just to take ball ,keep ball until they come out and score few more. But no, one guy go past Yaya who watch him ,then Fernandhino think ahhh let Clichy finish this ,he let him go also.So three players are there but only Clichy defend and ball go in, Hart save, three our players there but nobody clear ball. That is had nothing with leader .That is overpaid lazy fuckers who thinks that we will win just because they come and they have names.Cardiff run more , wanna win more and that is whole story.After 1 0 if we give 80% we would win . but we drop from 50% on 30 % that is all .We let them score so they can go back to original plan with even more adrenalin and strength . I was thinking with new coach they will have flair to show how good the are, but some of them or all of them just play when they feel like it.I had a hole in my stomach yesterday from that game. If they play 100 % they would win and that is that .We need them to run and fight for every ball ,that is how u win. Fuck the quality of players if they watch guy run pass them. I was thiking of Barry a lot yesterday and how much guy work for some lazy ass, but fans don't see that until Cardiff put three in your net and Kolo why the fuck we let him go so we can have Garcia FFS!!!
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Re: Post Match comments Welsh runts V Man City

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:15 pm

Original Dub wrote:The biggest problem yesterday was the lack of balls in the side.

We had obvious problems that come along with changing systems, manager and playing staff. A lot of that adjustment period can be overcome with having a solid spine and a couple of leaders on the pitch. We lost our captain and Yaya decided, as he often does, that he didn't want to give 100%. Zabba had a rare mare which didn't help either.

We lost a leader when we lost Tevez, so basically we have no leader in that half of the park. Pelli needs to sort out which of Fernandinho and Yaya is going to mainly play in the oppo half and I'm hoping it's Yaya. That is where we really lost it IMO.

He better fucking sort it soon, but I'm quite confident he will.


That's a massive thing and so far Yaya and Ferdie haven't been clicking.
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Re: Post Match comments Welsh runts V Man City

Postby Original Dub » Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:46 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
That's a massive thing and so far Yaya and Ferdie haven't been clicking.


To me, they look too similar.

I would like to see how ferd gets on being told to sit more while yaya gets a couple of forward runs
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Re: Post Match comments Welsh runts V Man City

Postby Rodders » Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:50 pm

Cit.revenge wrote:Leaders ??? we have no defense we had 3 goals in our net from Cardiff(these line up back four get 9 goals in 3 games AC, Arsenal Cardiff), Yaya don't wanna run, and hes so slow when he is not in mood . Hart don't rule hes goalkeeper space , Garcia is not CB.We had one counter attack whole game .These is how u brake this side like Cardiff, when they have a ball u let them few pass then whole line press them,they make mistake u take ball counter and goal.We did not press them once . we play like it s a basketball. Our turn to attack, their turn to attack (then wait until they set up their wall so Yaya can touch ball 20754 times and pass it on closed side).And what is worse we had them, we score goal like rags from nothing .Then it was just to take ball ,keep ball until they come out and score few more. But no, one guy go past Yaya who watch him ,then Fernandhino think ahhh let Clichy finish this ,he let him go also.So three players are there but only Clichy defend and ball go in, Hart save, three our players there but nobody clear ball. That is had nothing with leader .That is overpaid lazy fuckers who thinks that we will win just because they come and they have names.Cardiff run more , wanna win more and that is whole story.After 1 0 if we give 80% we would win . but we drop from 50% on 30 % that is all .We let them score so they can go back to original plan with even more adrenalin and strength . I was thinking with new coach they will have flair to show how good the are, but some of them or all of them just play when they feel like it.I had a hole in my stomach yesterday from that game. If they play 100 % they would win and that is that .We need them to run and fight for every ball ,that is how u win. Fuck the quality of players if they watch guy run pass them. I was thiking of Barry a lot yesterday and how much guy work for some lazy ass, but fans don't see that until Cardiff put three in your net and Kolo why the fuck we let him go so we can have Garcia FFS!!!


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Re: Post Match comments Welsh runts V Man City

Postby Dameerto » Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:59 pm

BlueinBosnia wrote:
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Nige wrote:So so so annoying today.

he got owned by an Asian dude and a Chilean midget. As did Fernandinho.



what in the holy fuck does him being Asian have anything to do with it?

if i was standing on the sideline of one of my son's matches and a dad said to his son "Son, you let an Asian kid score against you" i'd probably kick the living shit out of him right then and there....

care to explain yourself?

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Re: Post Match comments Welsh runts V Man City

Postby Beefymcfc » Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:02 pm

I've not read the match thread yet as my provider has only just let me log on to the site, however I can probably guess that it went from Whhhhhooooo to Woooooo very quickly.

During the match I was talking to my lad and mentioned how Cardiff would park the bus and try to get us on the break or through set pieces, and that's what near enough happened. I was happy with our general play though and knew it was only a matter of time before we hit the net, and what a goal it was. My immediate concern, from the off, was the back line. Cardiff showed early on that they'd try to use Frazers pace and get behind Garcia and Lescott. Lescott had to do well on a couple of occassions but I thought the shape was all wrong with nobody covering like we used to see from Barry. This is probably due to the high-line that we are now adopting but I did think at the time that Pellers would note and possibly shuffle the system a bit. Luckily, nothing came of it during the half due to Hart making a decent stop.

The same could have been said for their first. They had around 20 passes that led to the goal with nobody getting near them. Kim just waltz past Yaya and Fernando as if they weren't there (So where were they?) and then got the cross in past a floundering Cliche. I think Joe stopped the shot but the defence was in disarray and couldn't get there in time. Pretty pitiful all-round I thought.

The main thing for me though was the change in system with regard to defending set pieces and this is why I don't subscribe to changing things wholesale just because we have a new manager. We've played zonal marking for the last 3 years or so and the players are well used to it. Yesterday proved that changing the system isn't always the best and the 2 goals (from 3 corners!) that they got probably would've been stopped with zonal marking. The balls in were aimed specifically to the back post for a runner to come onto and Frazer got to both of them, leaving Zab's staring into space (and his hands) because of the movement. Usually we'd have a player in that position who would get the ball away or at least stop the run from the player coming in.

I have no problem with changing the system but I'd like to have seen it done gradually when players are used to it. Combine that and the fact we didn't have our first choice defensive partnership then I'm not has optimistic going forward.

I also thought the Navas substitution was strange, he was repeatedly occupying 2 or 3 of their players and getting back to cover Zab's but to bring him off and introduce Nasri seemed a strange choice. Clichy seemed to be getting hammered on the left and Nasri doesn't afford the defensive qualities needed to cover him. If anything I thought it would be Milner or, in a lesser case, Kolarov who would help out defensively as well as having a forward threat.

Overall, a bad day at the office that had me screaming at the TV. I was worried about the defence and those worries came to fruition. Hopefully Pellers will now understand what it means to play in the Premier League and instead of going gung-ho to get more goals, sometimes understand that 3 points is the priority in away games like this.

Oh, and well done Cardiff, the atmosphere sounded impressive and the way they went about their business was well deserved. They ran their hearts out, the bastards!
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Re: Post Match comments Welsh runts V Man City

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:03 pm

Original Dub wrote:
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That's a massive thing and so far Yaya and Ferdie haven't been clicking.


To me, they look too similar.

I would like to see how ferd gets on being told to sit more while yaya gets a couple of forward runs


Neither are holding midfielders. Neither are great at protecting the defence.

If we wanted a holding mid other than Barry or Garcia, we should have signed one.

Fernadinho is a hard working centre mid who likes to get forward. Yaya is a lazy cunt who likes to get forward. Both are used to having Barry type players behind them.

I have said all along that sacking Barry & relying on these two in that job is fucking dangerous.
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Re: Post Match comments Welsh runts V Man City

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:07 pm

The Fernadinho/ Yaya partnership is a bit reminiscent of the Gerrard/ Lampard one for England.
Both look far better going forward. Neither look brilliant defensively. And it feels like both their games will be compromised if they both play.
I hate it when we ask Yaya to sit back. Barry is far better and far more disciplined at the 'holding' role than either of these two.

If both are to play then they really do need Barry to play as well. We might get away with it in easy home games such as Newcastle last week but away from home we're going to leave huge gaps in the midfield which any half decent side can exploit.
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Re: Post Match comments Welsh runts V Man City

Postby Beefymcfc » Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:13 pm

Can I ask, 'What does Fernandinho do?'. I've still not got my head around what his qualities are. He doesn't really give us any attacking presence, he's not the greatest of passers and he doesn't seem to have the best defensive qualities.

I'm sure he'll come good (and it sounds like a lot of you have major faith in him) but I'm just not seeing it yet.
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Re: Post Match comments Welsh runts V Man City

Postby Hazy2 » Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:22 pm

A draw tonight keeps it all in kilter, if the scum win it is a great weekend for them. Early to panic, but all the top leagues were done and dusted as the rivals floundered. We had a great start last season and finished a mile behind. I have a feeling we will see changes from Pelli as he now has his reasons to do so, I also happen to think Hart will crumble should he be dropped by us which will also mean England.
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Re: Post Match comments Welsh runts V Man City

Postby Rag_hater » Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:41 pm

Seems strange that someone who the experts say is a lazy cunt has figures like this:

http://www.mcfc.co.uk/Players/Midfielders/Yaya-Toure


http://epl.squawka.com/cardiff-city-vs- ... ue/matches
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