Ferran and Txiki

[john68]

Funny how this thread managed to be shunted into a Mancini thread.

It really does seem that a balanced and rational examination and debate regarding Pixie and Dixie is impossible for some.

[Slim]

Funny how this thread managed to be shunted into a Mancini thread.

It really does seem that a balanced and rational examination and debate regarding Pixie and Dixie is impossible for some.

The previous manager was brought up in the OP.

However, what it has highlighted is what a bunch of ungrateful cunts we have become.

[john68]

Funny how this thread managed to be shunted into a Mancini thread.

It really does seem that a balanced and rational examination and debate regarding Pixie and Dixie is impossible for some.

The previous manager was brought up in the OP.

However, what it has highlighted is what a bunch of ungrateful cunts some have become.

I don't suppose for one moment you intended to include yourself in that category.

Fuck knows what will happen on here if we dare to lose a couple. Emotional meltdown.

[Jorgobot]

The only thing I criticised the Spaniards for was the manner in which Mancini went out of the door, the main point being the FA Cup Final.

Nothing more to say really, just let's see where we are after the CL Gp stages, New Year in the league and again at the end of the season.

I hope is rosey at each of them points and we can say it's been a huge success. Until then, I'm keeping powder dry.

I agree

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

I don't suppose for one moment you intended to include yourself in that category.

Fuck knows what will happen on here if we dare to lose a couple. Emotional meltdown.

Ungrateful? Wow.
John, you know I'll be happy with 'just' the five trophies in five years

[Slim]

Funny how this thread managed to be shunted into a Mancini thread.

It really does seem that a balanced and rational examination and debate regarding Pixie and Dixie is impossible for some.

The previous manager was brought up in the OP.

However, what it has highlighted is what a bunch of ungrateful cunts some have become.

I don't suppose for one moment you intended to include yourself in that category.

Fuck knows what will happen on here if we dare to lose a couple. Emotional meltdown.

Well not the ungrateful part anyway.

[zuricity]

Funny how this thread managed to be shunted into a Mancini thread.

It really does seem that a balanced and rational examination and debate regarding Pixie and Dixie is impossible for some.

You're just showing how cool you are referencing "Pixie and Dixie" rather than the latterday heroes "itchy and scratchy". :-)

I'm curious to know how you expect an impartial discussion J68.

By "balanced" do you mean " chip on both shoulders" ?

It's way , way too early to form any opinion on the new setup.

It seems these days there are thousands of professional administrators, administrating who knows what. We (City) , can easily replace these guys.
What we can't do is find a good replacement for Vinnie if he turns out to be crocked this season.

[zuricity]

Funny how this thread managed to be shunted into a Mancini thread.

It really does seem that a balanced and rational examination and debate regarding Pixie and Dixie is impossible for some.

You're just showing how cool you are referencing "Pixie and Dixie" rather than the latterday heroes "itchy and scratchy". :-)

I'm curious to know how you expect an impartial discussion J68.

By "balanced" do you mean " chip on both shoulders" ?

It's way , way too early to form any opinion on the new setup.

It seems these days there are thousands of professional administrators, administrating who knows what. We (City) , can easily replace these guys. We can't easily replace a good manager, Pellegrini has the resources to do a good job. They are resources built up over a number of years, not just under Bobby Manc.
What we can't do is find a good replacement for Vinnie if he turns out to be crocked this season.

[Socrates]

Ridiculously early to be assessing the performance of the senior management team let alone the new first team manager or the dealings of a transfer window that hasn't even closed!

What we do know is that a first team manager who had led us to major trophy success failed to be able to work with them. We also know that they have replaced a young proven winner with an older much nicer guy who made his name coming second. It is also increasingly evident, however, that Mancini may be similar to Mourinho in that he delivers success in the short term but is unable to sustain it at a club. Their character flaws are somewhat different but the end result is the same. To that end the suits may be blameless and the Mancini meltdown may have been inevitable.

We also know that the new manager has had a good start and we are playing nice looking football. We also can see that the management team collectively appear to have made good signings this window and have at the very least recognised some relative weaknesses on the pitch and addressed them. It is, of course, way too early to judge the window a success or failure! Consider retrospectively the Summer 2008 window. Would have looked very good at the time, then disastrous as the Jo and Robinho signings unraveled. Now it looks like good again as it was the window where we signed both Zabaleta and Kompany!

I think we need to stop bickering and consider what Slim said about being ungrateful. We have had success delivered to us by the owner and we need to let him and his chosen representatives get on with the job he wants them to do. I think we should collectively forget about dreams of domination though, I think the owner wants to do enough for us to win trophies regularly but wants to fall short of domination as that would be counterproductive to aims of positive publicity. The Pellegrini appointment suggests strongly that the brand of football we play is now as important as trophies. Playing nice football will endear us more to the world and gain positive publicity. A combination of winning without dominating and doing it attractively is the recipe to maximise popularity and that is the road we should be prepared for as fans. Whether some on here can take that on board and tolerate occasional setbacks remains to be seen.

[Wooders]

I think most of us have become experienced enough during the last few seasons to know the difference between a good window and a bad one - this one has been our 2nd best ever (dave, yaya, aguero will never be topped)

I don't agree that our owners don't want to dominate - thats what sells shirts outside of manchester and trundling along being one of a few sucessfuls rather than being the outright best doesnt fit in with the arab mindset i have experienced in my life

[Socrates]

I think most of us have become experienced enough during the last few seasons to know the difference between a good window and a bad one - this one has been our 2nd best ever (dave, yaya, aguero will never be topped)

I don't agree that our owners don't want to dominate - thats what sells shirts outside of manchester and trundling along being one of a few sucessfuls rather than being the outright best doesnt fit in with the arab mindset i have experienced in my life

But they seek to be seen as more modest and considered than their arrogant cousins in Dubai, look how quickly the obnoxious frontman for the takeover was dispatched for evidence of that. They don't want to be hated, they will have realised already that domination produces hatred in football. Logic dictates that fair competition is now their aim.

[Ted Hughes]

I think most of us have become experienced enough during the last few seasons to know the difference between a good window and a bad one - this one has been our 2nd best ever (dave, yaya, aguero will never be topped)

I don't agree that our owners don't want to dominate - thats what sells shirts outside of manchester and trundling along being one of a few sucessfuls rather than being the outright best doesnt fit in with the arab mindset i have experienced in my life

But they seek to be seen as more modest and considered than their arrogant cousins in Dubai, look how quickly the obnoxious frontman for the takeover was dispatched for evidence of that. They don't want to be hated, they will have realised already that domination produces hatred in football. Logic dictates that fair competition is now their aim.

They want to be the best, on & off the pitch, just like anyone would who bought a football club would, if they could, & they also want the club to pay for itself one day. Being the best may create jealousy from some but it creates a lot more positivity & influence, it is an advantage not a disadvantage . Playing the right kind of football has always been a big, important part of that agenda though.

Buying a football club & turning it into 70's Leeds then winning everything= very bad .

Buying a football club & turning it into Barca then winning everything= very good.


Hughes was clearly under instruction to play all out attacking football, but we let goals in & it didn't work, so they went for Mancini's more practical approach to get us to the required level. He did that & now it's back to the first plan: play great football, win stuff, but crucially; bring through some of our our own players. That's what Txiki was brought in for & Bob wasn't 'on message' so he's gone.

That message has never changed though. Khaldoon from day one was all over the academy whilst everyone else was worrying about Robinho & Berbatov; he was seeking advice on how best to make our own stars.

The success or failure of that, long term, & whether the club can become self sufficient, will be the criteria on which Txiki & Soriano are judged, not just signing a few 27 year olds to boost the squad short term.

[Wonderwall]

Have bluemoon organised an advert in the spanish press yet the thank barca and malaga?

[Slim]

You take forever to say very little, you should ask for another name change to LongwinTed.

[Beefymcfc]

You take forever to say very little, you should ask for another name change to LongwinTed.

Ha ha ha, very good.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I've seen a thread or 2 criticising them in the summer, possibly because they are obviously on very large salaries and therefore have to deliver. But let's look what they have done:

1) Never made any big noise about going to do this, that and the other, quietly and slowly planning the stadium expansion.
2) Decided the previous manager had the wrong style, both playing wise and personality-wise. Although this wasn't a universally popular decision at the time, subsequent word from players and evidence is they were 100% right.
3) Decided on an actual change of playing style and hired Pellegrini specifically with the brief of a high-pressing, high-tempo, slick passing, direct goal-scoring game - like tney brought in with Guardiola at Barca.
4) Very quietly moved out anyone who brought a bad name to the club in any way - Balotelli, Tevez (his request to leave was granted in about 4 hours), possibly Mancini. But maybe most significantly of all refused to hire Mourinho at Barca (source, Spanish press) and subsequently at City as his behavioural standards are poor, and Madrid feel a little dirty after their Jose experience (Calderon).
5) With Tom Glick are over-seeing an incredible growth in the commercial business of the club which I believe will be awesome within the next 3 years. Taken Gary Cook's business up another 2 levels.
6) Out-done everyone in the summer. Quietly executed 4 in-deals without any fuss or the need to broadcast it on SKY. Kept all the bad crisis press at United, Arsenal and other clubs. Just a summer of calm, quiet preparation.

They cant actually influence over the white line, but I'm starting to believe the Sheik made the right appointments to make us the biggest and best.

Hilarious

[Original Dub]

I've seen a thread or 2 criticising them in the summer, possibly because they are obviously on very large salaries and therefore have to deliver. But let's look what they have done:

1) Never made any big noise about going to do this, that and the other, quietly and slowly planning the stadium expansion.
2) Decided the previous manager had the wrong style, both playing wise and personality-wise. Although this wasn't a universally popular decision at the time, subsequent word from players and evidence is they were 100% right.
3) Decided on an actual change of playing style and hired Pellegrini specifically with the brief of a high-pressing, high-tempo, slick passing, direct goal-scoring game - like tney brought in with Guardiola at Barca.
4) Very quietly moved out anyone who brought a bad name to the club in any way - Balotelli, Tevez (his request to leave was granted in about 4 hours), possibly Mancini. But maybe most significantly of all refused to hire Mourinho at Barca (source, Spanish press) and subsequently at City as his behavioural standards are poor, and Madrid feel a little dirty after their Jose experience (Calderon).
5) With Tom Glick are over-seeing an incredible growth in the commercial business of the club which I believe will be awesome within the next 3 years. Taken Gary Cook's business up another 2 levels.
6) Out-done everyone in the summer. Quietly executed 4 in-deals without any fuss or the need to broadcast it on SKY. Kept all the bad crisis press at United, Arsenal and other clubs. Just a summer of calm, quiet preparation.

They cant actually influence over the white line, but I'm starting to believe the Sheik made the right appointments to make us the biggest and best.

Hilarious

Why?

[Socrates]

I've seen a thread or 2 criticising them in the summer, possibly because they are obviously on very large salaries and therefore have to deliver. But let's look what they have done:

1) Never made any big noise about going to do this, that and the other, quietly and slowly planning the stadium expansion.
2) Decided the previous manager had the wrong style, both playing wise and personality-wise. Although this wasn't a universally popular decision at the time, subsequent word from players and evidence is they were 100% right.
3) Decided on an actual change of playing style and hired Pellegrini specifically with the brief of a high-pressing, high-tempo, slick passing, direct goal-scoring game - like tney brought in with Guardiola at Barca.
4) Very quietly moved out anyone who brought a bad name to the club in any way - Balotelli, Tevez (his request to leave was granted in about 4 hours), possibly Mancini. But maybe most significantly of all refused to hire Mourinho at Barca (source, Spanish press) and subsequently at City as his behavioural standards are poor, and Madrid feel a little dirty after their Jose experience (Calderon).
5) With Tom Glick are over-seeing an incredible growth in the commercial business of the club which I believe will be awesome within the next 3 years. Taken Gary Cook's business up another 2 levels.
6) Out-done everyone in the summer. Quietly executed 4 in-deals without any fuss or the need to broadcast it on SKY. Kept all the bad crisis press at United, Arsenal and other clubs. Just a summer of calm, quiet preparation.

They cant actually influence over the white line, but I'm starting to believe the Sheik made the right appointments to make us the biggest and best.

Hilarious

Why?

The Finns find premature ejaculation funny, they are well known for it...

[Original Dub]

I've seen a thread or 2 criticising them in the summer, possibly because they are obviously on very large salaries and therefore have to deliver. But let's look what they have done:

1) Never made any big noise about going to do this, that and the other, quietly and slowly planning the stadium expansion.
2) Decided the previous manager had the wrong style, both playing wise and personality-wise. Although this wasn't a universally popular decision at the time, subsequent word from players and evidence is they were 100% right.
3) Decided on an actual change of playing style and hired Pellegrini specifically with the brief of a high-pressing, high-tempo, slick passing, direct goal-scoring game - like tney brought in with Guardiola at Barca.
4) Very quietly moved out anyone who brought a bad name to the club in any way - Balotelli, Tevez (his request to leave was granted in about 4 hours), possibly Mancini. But maybe most significantly of all refused to hire Mourinho at Barca (source, Spanish press) and subsequently at City as his behavioural standards are poor, and Madrid feel a little dirty after their Jose experience (Calderon).
5) With Tom Glick are over-seeing an incredible growth in the commercial business of the club which I believe will be awesome within the next 3 years. Taken Gary Cook's business up another 2 levels.
6) Out-done everyone in the summer. Quietly executed 4 in-deals without any fuss or the need to broadcast it on SKY. Kept all the bad crisis press at United, Arsenal and other clubs. Just a summer of calm, quiet preparation.

They cant actually influence over the white line, but I'm starting to believe the Sheik made the right appointments to make us the biggest and best.

Hilarious

Why?

The Finns find premature ejaculation funny, they are well known for it...

I didn't feel any jizz that wasn't perfectly timed with the OP.

The Spaniards have done pretty much everything I'd hoped for so far.

Hopefully the players and the manager do the same and we'll be immense.

[Socrates]

2 and 3 are premature for starters...