Txiki intensive talks for Jovetic

[Mikhail Chigorin]

Still another page further on and I am no wiser as to why I should blindly worship these two spaniards, like some others seem to want to make me do, and what it is they have done for our club to deserve it.

All I seem to get as an answer is Mancini this and Mancini that. Saying someone is wonderful for the club because they are not Mancini is not really much of an answer. Especially given the pots he managed us to. Saying "The Sheikh appears to back them", when you don't know exactly what the Sheikh thinks unless you have conversed with him yourself, is not really much of an answer either.

There seems to be a mindset on these pages that unless you bow down and worship the ground someone walks on, you hate them. Why am I not surprised?

That's a nice post Tokyo; seems to sum up the situation, as far as I'm concerned, quite succinctly.

[Ted Hughes]

Still another page further on and I am no wiser as to why I should blindly worship these two spaniards, like some others seem to want to make me do, and what it is they have done for our club to deserve it.

All I seem to get as an answer is Mancini this and Mancini that. Saying someone is wonderful for the club because they are not Mancini is not really much of an answer. Especially given the pots he managed us to. Saying "The Sheikh appears to back them", when you don't know exactly what the Sheikh thinks unless you have conversed with him yourself, is not really much of an answer either.

There seems to be a mindset on these pages that unless you bow down and worship the ground someone walks on, you hate them. Why am I not surprised?

That's a nice post Tokyo; seems to sum up the situation, as far as I'm concerned, quite succinctly.

Where has anyone said anything about worshipping them or indeed about making any kind of decision ?

Can you find it please & quote it ?

[Mikhail Chigorin]

Still another page further on and I am no wiser as to why I should blindly worship these two spaniards, like some others seem to want to make me do, and what it is they have done for our club to deserve it.

All I seem to get as an answer is Mancini this and Mancini that. Saying someone is wonderful for the club because they are not Mancini is not really much of an answer. Especially given the pots he managed us to. Saying "The Sheikh appears to back them", when you don't know exactly what the Sheikh thinks unless you have conversed with him yourself, is not really much of an answer either.

There seems to be a mindset on these pages that unless you bow down and worship the ground someone walks on, you hate them. Why am I not surprised?

That's a nice post Tokyo; seems to sum up the situation, as far as I'm concerned, quite succinctly.

Where has anyone said anything about worshipping them or indeed about making any kind of decision ?

Can you find it please & quote it ?

What a tiresomely assinine question - just read again what Tokyo wrote.

[Original Dub]

What the fuck is going on with folk saying we worship these spaniards??

They aren't even in the job a year FFS. There are some folk on here that are annoyed that Mancini was sacked. In some weird way, they blame these lads for everything - bizarre... but saying that it's not definite that the Sheikh supported the sacking is crazy. The fucker owns the club.

These guys are only beginning to show what they can do. Time will tell whether or not they are the bees knees.

But FFS, just because some folk are willing to support them and wait to see what they can do... stop seeing that as blind faith or fucking "worship".

[I Just Blue Myself]

But I didn't say you can't criticise them did I ? I just said that you should assess them honestly, & also have the bottle to point the finger at the people who are power behind their actions.

I pointed out the great big holes in your assessment, which initially came accross as more reasonable than some on here, but you have subsequently shown yourself to be someone holding a grudge, which is obvious from your totally unwarrented explosion of hostility towards me.

You are clearly another disgruntled licker pretending to be giving a fair assessment whilst secretly wanting them out.

None of you have got the balls to even mention the part played by the owner & chairman, in first appointing then backing the two, because you know how stupid your argument would then look.

And Tevez is a great deal for City & a fantastic signing for Juve, so both are correct.

I am sick of you directing this discussion at Mancini & the Sheikh. I don't want the Spaniards out, I just want to be able to discuss their shortcomings without being told that I 'hold a grudge' or similar petty bullshit. So what if the Sheikh appointed them personally, am I not allowed to criticise a player, because the manager is ultimately to blame for buying said player? And the board/owner for appointing the manager? Ridiculous.

If someone here is a 'licker' (your word, not mine), it is you & your ilk with your tongues firmly placed on the Spanish geezers buttocks. Nothing about my hostile response is unwarranted, as you were the one insinuating that my motives are ingenuine repeatedly, even after I clarified my position re Mancini.

I disagree about Tevez. At best it will turn out to be an alright deal for one party & a fantastic one for the other.

[gillie]

Well the Jovetic deal could be done and dusted soon as Mario Gomez is now a Firenze player.I have heard reports tonight or tomorrow for Jovetic but even though we have made progress on Negrado they are still some way off completing that deal.23/24 million plus add-ons for Jovetic being reported.

[Tokyo Blue]

There are some folk on here that are annoyed that Mancini was sacked. In some weird way, they blame these lads for everything.

Have you read what has been posted? What have they done to earn your protectiveness? And why does it trouble you and Ted so much that people do not appear to share your point of view?

You are clearly another disgruntled licker pretending to be giving a fair assessment whilst secretly wanting them out.

Well, that's me told. Like I have said before, what a massively convincing argument that is.

On a related note, "Hello, Wall. How are you today, Wall?"

[Mikhail Chigorin]

In the last thirty years, or so, City have had a depressingly large number of Managers - a veritable never ending conveyor belt, it would almost seem, so, at this point in time, there's nothing new in any City Manager receiving his P45.

However, what is new since the current owners took over, is that the profile and mandatory need for achievements has been greatly raised and, in this rarified and heightened atmosphere, the fine line between success and failure has been now even more acutely drawn.

On this basis, it's not unreasonable to look at the efforts and results of all the 'Management Team' in a more brutally objective and critical light. Furthermore, such an approach dispenses, to some extent, with the delicious luxury of allowing a goodly amount of time to elapse before someone is categorised as not succeeding/not 'shaping-up'.

If 'the Project' is floundering or deemed to be becalmed at some time in the future, Tricky and Sorry will have to bear culpability, just like anyone else, but perhaps even a little more so because of the roles they are performing.

At this point in time, the jury is still out, but some posters on this Forum are starting to become concerned - which they are perfectly entitled to be - that the portents are a trifle worrying. When they 'voice' such concerns they seem to attract a disproportionate degree of odium on their heads, simply for expressing a subjective opinion.

Not everyone on this Forum mindlessly follows the Gospel according to St.Ted, but, for heavens sake, everyone ought to sit down and just chill out. Tricky and Sorry may succeed beyond our wildest dreams, or they may fail ignominiously but, either way, we'll soon find out and if they do fail, they're not fireproof and their services will/should be dispensed with, just like anyone else.

However, to claim that Tricky and Sorry are only carrying out orders (of The Sheik) and are blameless with regard to recent events, brings to mind the analogy of the Nazi War criminals who tried to use this defence to escape total culpability for their actions. There is a collective responsibility for the changes which have recently been made at the Club and if City progress, there will be a collective need for praise, which will have been duly earned by all.

However, there are some posters who, quite reasonably, harbour some nascent concerns.

[Original Dub]

There are some folk on here that are annoyed that Mancini was sacked. In some weird way, they blame these lads for everything.

Have you read what has been posted? What have they done to earn your protectiveness? And why does it trouble you and Ted so much that people do not appear to share your point of view?

You are clearly another disgruntled licker pretending to be giving a fair assessment whilst secretly wanting them out.

Well, that's me told. Like I have said before, what a massively convincing argument that is.

On a related note, "Hello, Wall. How are you today, Wall?"

What protection are you talking about? What point of view would that be? That I believe only time will tell if they do a good job or not? IT's hardly a groundbreaking point of view, it's just common sense mate.

This is getting weird now. I don't have any allegiance to these lads. I just find it odd that some are choosing to throw veiled digs at them at every opportunity. What's also odd is that it seems to be the same people that were annoyed when Mancini was sacked.

It's like a division of sorts. Maybe I'm reading it all wrong, but I don't think so.

[Slim]

There are some folk on here that are annoyed that Mancini was sacked. In some weird way, they blame these lads for everything.

Have you read what has been posted? What have they done to earn your protectiveness? And why does it trouble you and Ted so much that people do not appear to share your point of view?

You are clearly another disgruntled licker pretending to be giving a fair assessment whilst secretly wanting them out.

Well, that's me told. Like I have said before, what a massively convincing argument that is.

On a related note, "Hello, Wall. How are you today, Wall?"

What have they done to piss you off so much?

[Rodders]

[quote="Mikhail Chigorin"][/quote]

First Man City forum Nazi war criminal analogy of 2013' congratulations.

Has anyone seen any other posts? I'd hate to think I'd missed one...

[Ted Hughes]

Still another page further on and I am no wiser as to why I should blindly worship these two spaniards, like some others seem to want to make me do, and what it is they have done for our club to deserve it.

All I seem to get as an answer is Mancini this and Mancini that. Saying someone is wonderful for the club because they are not Mancini is not really much of an answer. Especially given the pots he managed us to. Saying "The Sheikh appears to back them", when you don't know exactly what the Sheikh thinks unless you have conversed with him yourself, is not really much of an answer either.

There seems to be a mindset on these pages that unless you bow down and worship the ground someone walks on, you hate them. Why am I not surprised?

That's a nice post Tokyo; seems to sum up the situation, as far as I'm concerned, quite succinctly.

Where has anyone said anything about worshipping them or indeed about making any kind of decision ?

Can you find it please & quote it ?

What a tiresomely assinine question - just read again what Tokyo wrote.

You mean 'Still another page further on and I am no wiser as to why I should blindly worship these two spaniards, like some others seem to want to make me do, and what it is they have done for our club to deserve it.' ?

Which fucking post were you reading ?

You said it sums up the situation.

So why not just get the quotes to indicate it ?

And while we are at it, do people agree with some of the comments in this thread which ignore the financial & academy aspects when assessing these two ?

If so, can you explain exactly which elements we are assessing them on & why the 'portents are so bad' ?

Also why are they the only ones to be assessed & not those who appointed them ?

Was it 'Maddock out' everyone was shouting back in the day, or 'Swales out' ? Why the immunity for the chairman & owner now ?

Seeing as Tokyo has said that to harp back to Mancini is wrong, which aspects, other than transfers, are we discussing when evaluating these two ? Can you explain ? Or are we only allowed to discuss transfers ?

Exactly what are we discussing ?

These I think are pretty fair & reasonable points worthy of an answer rather than ' Nazi war criminal'.

[Blue Blood]

If Jovetic signs this is going to be the strangest welcome to the club thread ever..

[Ted Hughes]

If Jovetic signs this is going to be the strangest welcome to the club thread ever..

Why, what kind of thing have you got lined up ?

It doesn't involve vampire girls, midgets & Ozzy Osbourne by any chance ?

If so, I know at least two people who will be there.

[Blue Blood]

If Jovetic signs this is going to be the strangest welcome to the club thread ever..

Why, what kind of thing have you got lined up ?

It doesn't involve vampire girls, midgets & Ozzy Osbourne by any chance ?

If so, I know at least two people who will be there.

I can probably make that happen, they may be fakes for sure but the whole vibe will be there.

[Slim]

The Count said 24 hours two days ago, is he not counting hours in which the sun is up?

[Ted Hughes]

If Jovetic signs this is going to be the strangest welcome to the club thread ever..

Why, what kind of thing have you got lined up ?

It doesn't involve vampire girls, midgets & Ozzy Osbourne by any chance ?

If so, I know at least two people who will be there.

I can probably make that happen, they may be fakes for sure but the whole vibe will be there.

No need for fakes, just have a word with the Count, I'm sure he'll be glad to help.

[DoomMerchant]

The Count said 24 hours two days ago, is he not counting hours in which the sun is up?

when you've been alive for thousands of years time kinda stands still....

cheers

[patrickblue]

Sorry to intrude on your private bitching session, but this has just come up. Maybe BS, maybe not.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892/tra ... /4119651/-


Manchester City agree £23.3 million fee with Fiorentina for Jovetic
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15 Jul 2013 18:45:00

The Premier League runners-up concluded talks over a deal to bring the Montenegro international to England on Monday, with the forward undergoing medical tests in Florence
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By Paul Clennam

Manchester City have agreed a £23.3 million plus add-ons deal with Fiorentina for attacker Stevan Jovetic, Goal can reveal.

The 23-year-old's agent, Fali Ramadani, is set to travel to Manchester to meet with City sporting director Txiki Begiristain in the next 24 hours, with club officials confident of completing the move following those talks.

City have agreed to a package that meets Fiorentina's €30m (£26m) asking price, with €27m (£23.3m) set to be paid up front and a further €3m (£2.6m) to be paid in performance-related bonuses.

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Jovetic visited the Fanfani Medical Centre in Florence for tests on Monday, accompanied by the Serie A side's doctor, Jacopo Giuliattini.

City, who have sent a large group of staff to South Africa as part of their pre-season tour, also conducted similar assessments on Jesus Navas in Seville before his £18.5m move to the Etihad Stadium in June.

Jovetic was later followed by Mario Gomez, who is set to complete his transfer from Bayern Munich to the Florence outfit imminently.

Ramadani met with Begiristain at Mottram Hall last week to discuss terms, with City set to pay Jovetic an £80,000-a-week salary package on arrival in Manchester.

The clubs have maintained a good relationship harboured following Stefan Savic's move from Manchester to Fiorentina last summer.

City also hope to secure Alvaro Negredo, whom they have targeted in an attempted double swoop with Jovetic.

[Dameerto]

There could be something to it - Secret Agent Zabs has been buttering up Fiorentina with compliments in the press already.