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Re: as thoughts turn to the weekend (Chelsea)

Postby Colin the King » Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:29 am

Beefymcfc wrote:
Colin the King wrote:I think we need to find the balance between our role as 'the home side' and defending properly. Regardless of where the game is played, we're coming up against the best team in the country- arguably one of the best in the world- who have quality everywhere and will punish any lapses in concentration and counter attack effectively.

I think Lescott will do well against Drogba because he's a very strong, well built defender so is a good match for him. He's good in the air too. Anelka is my biggest concern, he has devastating pace and really knows how to exploit defenders without it, as we know only too well. We need complete focus from everyone, and intelligence positionally- no unnecessary mazy runs from Touré, no bombing forward without coming back from Bridge (which in fairness he improved upon massively last night). If we're disciplined tactically and every player holds their own we have every chance.

The midfield is the crucial area and what might be our undoing. Essien is so strong, powerful and quick that he can be unplayable. Lampard finds space like no other and can create opportunities all day long if he's in form. Cole is a wonderful player to watch and very difficult to mark. Then there's Ballack, Malouda, Deco, Mikel. They have an endless list of talent to choose from in midfield. I think we should concentrate on trying to score through a) set plays and b) counter-attacks, they're the most realistic options. If we try to match them in the pass and move stakes I fear that with their superior quality, they'll murder us. So I'd go with Barry and either de Jong or Kompany. Barry has a big part to play where corners are concerned, he has far and away the best delivery in our squad. So two defensive minded midfielders and Ireland sitting in front of them, making late runs into the box and pressing their defenders.

Regardless of the fact that there's a bit of history and he scored last season, I'd be inclined to leave Robinho out for this game. He's very good at unlocking the door but does so in a patient, considered way and I don't think we can afford the time to orchestrate attacks- we need to move the ball quickly and frighten them with pace and strength. Bellamy can offer that, as can SWP so I'd opt for them in the wide areas. Despite his brilliant performance last night, I'd opt for Tevez on the bench- he and Ireland are quite similar in their approach and maybe disrupt each other. Also, as we saw at Anfield, he's very good at coming on and influencing things from the bench. He did this countless times for the filth as well. His constant harrying would be a real thorn in the side of Chelsea's tired defenders with half an hour to go, and I think in this game that's the best way to utilise him.

So, a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 system with emphasis on pressing, closing down spaces and creating opportunities on the counter. Adebayor up front to play the ball off if necessary with support from Ireland, Bellamy and SWP. We'd have the luxury then of Robinho, Tevez, Santa Cruz and Weiss from the bench to mix things up.

Mate, I hope this does not come across wrong but from what you are advocating is that we play it safe, leave the creative and pressing players out and basically stop them from scoring. I have no problem with this and think you are right in your current assessment however in a recent thread (possibly the Hughes one) when I asked if it was realistic for us to be wanting 3 points, your stance was that only 3 points would appease you as our home points were vital to keep up the race. Now, this isn't a slight on you or your post but to say we can play it safe, hoping to get them on the break or set pieces, seems to put your previous statement through the shredder as we all know just how good Chelsea are.

Like I say, I think you are right in your assessment and the reality remains, Chelsea are by far the best team in the league and to expect anything from this game, even a goal, would be a huge victory for the team. Let's just hope that the win against Arsenal has given us the belief that we can not only compete with the 'Top 4', but give them a damn good run for their money!


I see where you're coming from- and I stand by the view in the thread you're talking about that three points is very important (given our recent form- it wouldn't be as significant if we'd won the 'easier' games). I just think that a cautious, more disciplined approach is the best way, against this Chelsea side, to get the win. I wouldn't normally advocate that style of play at home, but I genuinely believe it's the best approach here. Frustrate them, prevent them from playing with freedom and punish them on the break with pace- that was Villa's tactic and they beat them a few weeks ago.
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Re: as thoughts turn to the weekend (Chelsea)

Postby Bear60 » Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:26 am

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Wonderwall wrote: The crowd can make a big difference on saturday.


That's the truth.
We are not making the place a fortress as a rule (although Wenger cited the crowd as influencing last night which is good).
I wish we made more noise more of the time so that teams like Wigan and Burnley don't feel like its a home tie.
We can do it (Hamburg, any derby) but too often we are spectators and not fans. Come on Blue Boys. let's be avin you
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Re: as thoughts turn to the weekend (Chelsea)

Postby Wonderwall » Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:52 am

Chelsea are by far, the best team in the league at the moment and they are outstanding in all areas apart from Right back. Ivanovich (sp) is a centre back playing out of position, Carvalho also plays on his side and is prone to mistakes in the box. It could be our turn to get a penalty ;-) I still want to know who is our new pen taker. I think our way in would be down this side with Bellamy exposing their weaker side, as long as he is given the support to be able to pass and move. Just running at them is one dimensional and they will be ready for it after studying how rampant SWP and Bellamy were on Wednesday.

The only way to beat chelsea (wigan are a prime example) is to play a high tempo game high up the field and pressure every ball. We should not allow them time to pick a pass and move as they will eventually unlock us and then continue to do so even more as we chase the game.

Keeping a shape is essential they will exploit any player caught ball watching. 100% concentration from whistle to whistle and dont give them time to think.
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Re: as thoughts turn to the weekend (Chelsea)

Postby Fish111 » Fri Dec 04, 2009 8:25 am

13021J wrote:last night showed we needed more in midfield, Rosicky was running the show at times.

Given

Richards Kolo Lescott Bridge
Kompany NDJ
Ireland
Tevez Ade Bellers


I agree with that, Rosicky had far too much time on the ball at times, if we give Lampard or Ballack that freedom they'll murder us.
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Re: as thoughts turn to the weekend (Chelsea)

Postby Beefymcfc » Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:05 am

Colin the King wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:
Colin the King wrote:I think we need to find the balance between our role as 'the home side' and defending properly. Regardless of where the game is played, we're coming up against the best team in the country- arguably one of the best in the world- who have quality everywhere and will punish any lapses in concentration and counter attack effectively.

I think Lescott will do well against Drogba because he's a very strong, well built defender so is a good match for him. He's good in the air too. Anelka is my biggest concern, he has devastating pace and really knows how to exploit defenders without it, as we know only too well. We need complete focus from everyone, and intelligence positionally- no unnecessary mazy runs from Touré, no bombing forward without coming back from Bridge (which in fairness he improved upon massively last night). If we're disciplined tactically and every player holds their own we have every chance.

The midfield is the crucial area and what might be our undoing. Essien is so strong, powerful and quick that he can be unplayable. Lampard finds space like no other and can create opportunities all day long if he's in form. Cole is a wonderful player to watch and very difficult to mark. Then there's Ballack, Malouda, Deco, Mikel. They have an endless list of talent to choose from in midfield. I think we should concentrate on trying to score through a) set plays and b) counter-attacks, they're the most realistic options. If we try to match them in the pass and move stakes I fear that with their superior quality, they'll murder us. So I'd go with Barry and either de Jong or Kompany. Barry has a big part to play where corners are concerned, he has far and away the best delivery in our squad. So two defensive minded midfielders and Ireland sitting in front of them, making late runs into the box and pressing their defenders.

Regardless of the fact that there's a bit of history and he scored last season, I'd be inclined to leave Robinho out for this game. He's very good at unlocking the door but does so in a patient, considered way and I don't think we can afford the time to orchestrate attacks- we need to move the ball quickly and frighten them with pace and strength. Bellamy can offer that, as can SWP so I'd opt for them in the wide areas. Despite his brilliant performance last night, I'd opt for Tevez on the bench- he and Ireland are quite similar in their approach and maybe disrupt each other. Also, as we saw at Anfield, he's very good at coming on and influencing things from the bench. He did this countless times for the filth as well. His constant harrying would be a real thorn in the side of Chelsea's tired defenders with half an hour to go, and I think in this game that's the best way to utilise him.

So, a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 system with emphasis on pressing, closing down spaces and creating opportunities on the counter. Adebayor up front to play the ball off if necessary with support from Ireland, Bellamy and SWP. We'd have the luxury then of Robinho, Tevez, Santa Cruz and Weiss from the bench to mix things up.

Mate, I hope this does not come across wrong but from what you are advocating is that we play it safe, leave the creative and pressing players out and basically stop them from scoring. I have no problem with this and think you are right in your current assessment however in a recent thread (possibly the Hughes one) when I asked if it was realistic for us to be wanting 3 points, your stance was that only 3 points would appease you as our home points were vital to keep up the race. Now, this isn't a slight on you or your post but to say we can play it safe, hoping to get them on the break or set pieces, seems to put your previous statement through the shredder as we all know just how good Chelsea are.

Like I say, I think you are right in your assessment and the reality remains, Chelsea are by far the best team in the league and to expect anything from this game, even a goal, would be a huge victory for the team. Let's just hope that the win against Arsenal has given us the belief that we can not only compete with the 'Top 4', but give them a damn good run for their money!


I see where you're coming from- and I stand by the view in the thread you're talking about that three points is very important (given our recent form- it wouldn't be as significant if we'd won the 'easier' games). I just think that a cautious, more disciplined approach is the best way, against this Chelsea side, to get the win. I wouldn't normally advocate that style of play at home, but I genuinely believe it's the best approach here. Frustrate them, prevent them from playing with freedom and punish them on the break with pace- that was Villa's tactic and they beat them a few weeks ago.

Fair points mate, I hope we can nick a win as well. However, with players now beginning to take responsibility, ie. Tevez's none stop harrying of the Arsenal defence and scoring an excellent goal, I can see them wanting to go out there and prove a point. You never know, we may not go out to surpress them but to put them on the back foot. As they say, always expect the unexpected, this is City afterall!
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Re: as thoughts turn to the weekend (Chelsea)

Postby Slim » Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:00 am

Fidel Castro wrote:Bellamy was fantastic but he's too crocked to play 2 games in 1 week isn't he?


I think that was the thinking and it's not like Robbie is such a poor man's substitute. Same reason I think he withdrew Tevez and as a precaution for his knock, SWP. I think De Jong is vital to do a job on Lampard so he couldn't be risked picking up a yellow(no doubt he will miss the Bolton game). It's all about resource conservation at this point and until...oi, february.
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Re: as thoughts turn to the weekend (Chelsea)

Postby steve isle of man » Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:05 am

Hope we do better than in the featured "Big Match Revisted" game from 1979 on Men & Motors last night. Quality full highlights from the snowbound winter of that year. Brian Kidd at centre-half. Kaziu Deyna in the midfield. Battered them from start to finish and let in 2 soft goals in 3 minutes second half to lose! Top interviews with Big Mal and Asa Hartford (with perm and sheepskin). Chelsea put out an OAP XI with the likes of Bonetti, Harris and Osgood. And was Mickey Droy big or what! Good to see Barry Siddall (playing a blinder) and Gordon Davies playing for Fulham in the other featured game too. And did I love that 1979 kit - first one I owned - and seeing Peter Barnes fall on his arse in a big patch of slush brought back the exact feeling of that wonderfully synthetic material, sold in a lovely orange Umbro presentation box at Middleton Arndale! Hope they are going to show more old City games on that channel so keep a look out if you're into City past.
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Re: as thoughts turn to the weekend (Chelsea)

Postby john@staustell » Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:17 pm

Slim wrote:
Fidel Castro wrote:Bellamy was fantastic but he's too crocked to play 2 games in 1 week isn't he?


I think that was the thinking and it's not like Robbie is such a poor man's substitute. Same reason I think he withdrew Tevez and as a precaution for his knock, SWP. I think De Jong is vital to do a job on Lampard so he couldn't be risked picking up a yellow(no doubt he will miss the Bolton game). It's all about resource conservation at this point and until...oi, february.



Tbh as much as Wednesday was definitely a game for SWP against the Arsenal crappy kids, Chelsea is definitely not an SWP-type game. If he has this injury it may be as well to rest him and stick Bellers over there to knock Cashley about a bit, with Robinho on the left.
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Re: as thoughts turn to the weekend (Chelsea)

Postby Fish111 » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:06 pm

MARK Hughes has doubts over Craig Bellamy and Stephen Ireland ahead of Manchester City’s Premier League encounter with Chelsea at Eastlands.

The pair both picked up knee injuries in Wednesday’s Carling Cup win over Arsenal and are rated as extremely doubtful.

Vladimir Weiss, who scored his first senior goal in midweek, is also unlikely to figure after being laid low by tonsillitis but Martin Petrov and Nigel de Jong should be available after missing out on the Arsenal triumph.

City's defence put in its best display for some time on Wednesday, and that was encouraging as they prepare to come up against the firepower of Didier Drogba and Nicolas Anelka.

Drogba has an ominous 11 goals in his last 13 Premier League appearances, and City go into the game having lost their last eight league meetings with Chelsea.
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