Everton...treading water

[Bianchi on Ice]

Seems like the fans arent happy. But my question is this...why, when they are the one club in this country ripe for a relatively cheap takeover and not far off being a top 4 challenger they voted like a turkey voting for xmas and supported this sinister rag driven ffp in the prem?...the squad they have would not need as much investment as ours did in 2008....or maybe it does...making moyes' record there worthy of of more than knee jerk criticism. i think hes done pretty well and has spent what money they have had quite wisely. Without investment they have hit the ceiling.

[Moonchesteri]

It's exactly clubs like Everton who just decided to vote FOR never winning anything. Absolutely ZERO ambition and I despise them for that

[ross.mcfc]

Just how good is Moyles record at Everton? It's common place from the media to big up Fergies mate but I am not convinced he is the manager many make him out to be. He never gets linked with any of the big jobs and was never even offered a sniff at the Spurs job which is still a step up from Everton.

He's been there eleven years? One final and one really good season in the league. Off the top of my head in those eleven years Boro, Pompy, Swansea, Birmingham, Blackburn and Spurs have won a cup. Stoke, Bradford, Wigan, Millwall Cardiff, Southampton, West Ham and Villa have made it to the same amount of finals as Everton.

His record in Europe is awful. If I recall they have not even made the group stages in a tournament that Celtic, Rangers, Boro and Fulham have made it to the final.

Sure he has kept them in the league, but he has had the budget to do that. Finishing outside the top 10 on that budget should be regarded as failure given the stature and size of the club.

Sure they are a big club with a decent fan base but why would anyone buy them? They can't maximize anymore revenue out of that stadium so would have to build a new one. They are not a global brand like Liverpool. You may as well buy a Championship side and who have a modern stadium already and can expand and start from scratch.

In that sense we were lucky, We had the stadium, lots of space around it and the sporting brand of Manchester was already well established around the world.

[Tokyo Blue]

Just how good is Moyles

Not heard his show for yonks. On the down side he was slightly annoying at times. He really has got a face for radio.

[Goaters 103]

Everton could well have been us before we hit the lottery jackpot. Passionate fanbase but fook all money in the club and they have hit their ceiling.

As another poster above points out, for them to vote for Fair Play ruling is patently ridiculous, and effectively signs their own death warrant in terms of being competitive for trophies again.

They cant generate anywhere near enough cash to be able to purchase the players they would need, and without such freedom to operate it makes them 20 times less likely to attract the sort of outside investment or new ownership they are begging for to join the select little club above them. In short, they have voted themselves to push up the ladder to the penthouse which was one of the daftest things Ive seen them do in a while.

Goodison Park is one of the biggest dumps in the Premier League and needed renovating 20 years ago. Its a dilapidated old shack thats held together with sticky tape, and doesnt generate anywhere near enough revenue for them which is sadly the key consideration in modern football. An "Executive" Seat at Everton is one where you can actually see all the pitch without a pylon or overhanging roof obstructing your view.

The fans reaction on saturday was similar to ours when we bolloxed it up against Spurs in the q-f in the early 90's.

[lets all have a disco]

It's not as ridiculous as it may seem most seasons they can get good money for a player/players.

Ie this summer when Rags go for Fellani and Baines that's a right chunk of money invest half and use the rest to pay off debt.

[Ted Hughes]

It's exactly clubs like Everton who just decided to vote FOR never winning anything. Absolutely ZERO ambition and I despise them for that

That Kenwright character always says he is looking for a buyer, then votes against getting one.

Touch of the old P Swales power trip/nice little earner going on if you ask me.

Anything Moyes builds will be immediately dismantled & sold off.

[gillie]

It's exactly clubs like Everton who just decided to vote FOR never winning anything. Absolutely ZERO ambition and I despise them for that

That Kenwright character always says he is looking for a buyer, then votes against getting one.

Touch of the old P Swales power trip/nice little earner going on if you ask me.

Anything Moyes builds will be immediately dismantled & sold off.

Exactly Ted and imo it's the reason Gollum is stalling over signing a new contract.

[Dameerto]

It's exactly clubs like Everton who just decided to vote FOR never winning anything. Absolutely ZERO ambition and I despise them for that

That Kenwright character always says he is looking for a buyer, then votes against getting one.

Touch of the old P Swales power trip/nice little earner going on if you ask me.

Anything Moyes builds will be immediately dismantled & sold off.

He's seen the new TV money deal and wants a slice, that's why he's lifted the drawbridge. Grubby little cheap fucler.

[Blue Since 76]

Listening to Collymore on radio last night and he'd been to see Everton with a list of questions, most of which they answered. They said the club is up for sale and they eventually named a price - £125m. Plus their debt is about £50m. Plus they don't own their training ground outright (mortgaged it previously). Plus the £400m+ required to develop a new stadium.

On the grounds you could therefore blow £700m on a club that's not quite good enough to make the lucrative top 4 and with FFP now in place, you couldn't spend the other £100m required to make them a CL team, is it any surprise they can't find a buyer?

It was also mentioned that you get £60m from the PL for finishing bottom next season, which is more than we got for winning it. Any wonder Kenwright doesn't want to sell on the cheap? The club will be making a nice profit from next season, but he can't spend it on players due to FFP. They won't win anything, but others couldn't spend enough to relegate them, so it's the perfect scenario for an owner. And so many fans have fallen for it.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

Let's hope they sink....

[City64]

Just my view on Everton FC .....

Huge club with huge passionate support but play in an antiquated shithole of a ground . The building of a new state of the art stadium with corparate facilities is priority for them and it looks like they have missed the boat with this project by around a decade. Moyes has took Everton as far as he can imho and it would be better for him and Everton FC for him to "move on" before everything goes tits up. Saying all this Everton always play well against us and i just hope we turn up at goodison this saturday for a change !

[Blue Since 76]

Just my view on Everton FC .....

Huge club with huge passionate support but play in an antiquated shithole of a ground . The building of a new state of the art stadium with corparate facilities is priority for them and it looks like they have missed the boat with this project by around a decade. Moyes has took Everton as far as he can imho and it would be better for him and Everton FC for him to "move on" before everything goes tits up. Saying all this Everton always play well against us and i just hope we turn up at goodison this saturday for a change !

More a case of hoping they don't turn up. With Moyes refusing to sign a contract, the team has probably assumed he's gone next season and we saw with Taggart how bad an impact that can have. Hopefully there won't be a reaction to the defeat, more they'll have just ignored his ranting this week, knowing he'll be gone in a few months

Bizarrely, he blamed Lescott not committing to Everton before he came to us for their bad start to that season. So what was the difference to what he's now doing?

[Mikhail Chigorin]

Listening to Collymore on radio last night and he'd been to see Everton with a list of questions, most of which they answered. They said the club is up for sale and they eventually named a price - £125m. Plus their debt is about £50m. Plus they don't own their training ground outright (mortgaged it previously). Plus the £400m+ required to develop a new stadium.

On the grounds you could therefore blow £700m on a club that's not quite good enough to make the lucrative top 4 and with FFP now in place, you couldn't spend the other £100m required to make them a CL team, is it any surprise they can't find a buyer?

It was also mentioned that you get £60m from the PL for finishing bottom next season, which is more than we got for winning it. Any wonder Kenwright doesn't want to sell on the cheap? The club will be making a nice profit from next season, but he can't spend it on players due to FFP. They won't win anything, but others couldn't spend enough to relegate them, so it's the perfect scenario for an owner. And so many fans have fallen for it.

I listened to a little of it myself until I eventually got fed up listening to the odious Collymore and the babbling Danny Kelly trying to see who could speak the louder.

However, one aspect that was never properly expanded upon whilst I was tuned in, was the fact that Everton have, by and large, a rapidly ageing squad. Unless their Academy (or whatever) has got a conveyor belt of new talent ready and waiting to step into the first team, it's going to cost them a small fortune to replace their old timers all at one go, just to stand still. Moreover, this is money they don't have and, because of their debts plus Platini's FFP and the proposed domestic FFP, they won't be able to spend anyway.

On that basis, I'm sure Gollum can see the writing on the wall, which is why he's stalling on signing a new contract.

[Blue Since 76]

I listened to a little of it myself until I eventually got fed up listening to the odious Collymore and the babbling Danny Kelly trying to see who could speak the louder.

However, one aspect that was never properly expanded upon whilst I was tuned in, was the fact that Everton have, by and large, a rapidly ageing squad. Unless their Academy (or whatever) has got a conveyor belt of new talent ready and waiting to step into the first team, it's going to cost them a small fortune to replace their old timers all at one go, just to stand still. Moreover, this is money they don't have and, because of their debts plus Platini's FFP and the proposed domestic FFP, they won't be able to spend anyway.

On that basis, I'm sure Gollum can see the writing on the wall, which is why he's stalling on signing a new contract.

You make it sound as if standing still is a bad thing - to chairmen, this is music up their ears. No one can spend enough to overtake you, you can't spend enough to catch those above. So cream a couple of million off here and there and keep charging the suckers for coming up watch.

Liverpool have just upped their season tickets an average of 9%. A lot of fans have obviously kicked off, but there's already those stating that with FFP it's the only way we can compete. So the club gets more money from TV, more money from fans and the chairman can say he'd love to put some money in, but FFP won't let him. The cost of owning a club has just become zero. It even encourages business models like the glazers or hicks and Gillette - borrow to buy the club, use profits to pay it off and then sell again once someone else has paid for it for you and make a profit. As long as the interest plus running costs are less than income, you're good to go.

[Moonchesteri]

You make it sound as if standing still is a bad thing - to chairmen, this is music up their ears. No one can spend enough to overtake you, you can't spend enough to catch those above. So cream a couple of million off here and there and keep charging the suckers for coming up watch.

Liverpool have just upped their season tickets an average of 9%. A lot of fans have obviously kicked off, but there's already those stating that with FFP it's the only way we can compete. So the club gets more money from TV, more money from fans and the chairman can say he'd love to put some money in, but FFP won't let him. The cost of owning a club has just become zero. It even encourages business models like the glazers or hicks and Gillette - borrow to buy the club, use profits to pay it off and then sell again once someone else has paid for it for you and make a profit. As long as the interest plus running costs are less than income, you're good to go.

Of course it's bloody good thing for chairmen. That's the reason so many vote for the FFP. But who gives a f*ck about the chairmen?

The whole thing stinks and is bad for football imo

[Dameerto]

Don't forget they're one of the better-supported clubs in the league even with their decrepid stadium. They'll always have SOME money to spend. Probably not enough to replace half a squad though. Fellaini keeps being linked with a move away which would probably be the sale they need to tread water.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

I listened to a little of it myself until I eventually got fed up listening to the odious Collymore and the babbling Danny Kelly trying to see who could speak the louder.

However, one aspect that was never properly expanded upon whilst I was tuned in, was the fact that Everton have, by and large, a rapidly ageing squad. Unless their Academy (or whatever) has got a conveyor belt of new talent ready and waiting to step into the first team, it's going to cost them a small fortune to replace their old timers all at one go, just to stand still. Moreover, this is money they don't have and, because of their debts plus Platini's FFP and the proposed domestic FFP, they won't be able to spend anyway.

On that basis, I'm sure Gollum can see the writing on the wall, which is why he's stalling on signing a new contract.

You make it sound as if standing still is a bad thing - to chairmen, this is music up their ears. No one can spend enough to overtake you, you can't spend enough to catch those above. So cream a couple of million off here and there and keep charging the suckers for coming up watch.

Liverpool have just upped their season tickets an average of 9%. A lot of fans have obviously kicked off, but there's already those stating that with FFP it's the only way we can compete. So the club gets more money from TV, more money from fans and the chairman can say he'd love to put some money in, but FFP won't let him. The cost of owning a club has just become zero. It even encourages business models like the glazers or hicks and Gillette - borrow to buy the club, use profits to pay it off and then sell again once someone else has paid for it for you and make a profit. As long as the interest plus running costs are less than income, you're good to go.

I hope I didn't make it sound as though standing still was a bad thing and I certainly didn't say that.

However, in order to simply do just that (i.e. stand still), they're going to have to spend a load of cash, in the not too far distant future, on new players and with the £50million debt currently hanging round their necks (and increasing), it won't be easy for them to rebuild the side. If they don't get replacement players, they'll ultimately slide backwards and relegation could become a grim reality which would then hit the owner in his pocket even more so.

Under such circumstances, Moyes' supposedly high reputation could conceivably falter, unfairly or otherwise so, to my mind, he's going to jump ship - hence his delay in signing a new contract.