Wiess -He's either in or out

[Dameerto]

He's more likely to feature against Boro in the new year - he might get some game time on Weds but I think it will depend how the match is going.

[edge275]

I definitely advocate Weiss playing a lot more than he has done.

[ant london]

If he doesn't start getting some game time I 100% guarantee you that he will have already asked to go on loan post January.

I read an interview with him where he says quite explicitly that in order to guarantee his place in the Slovakian World Cup squad he HAS to be getting more game time. Obviously his dad is head coach but he cannot realistically pick him if he's not played hardly in domestic competition.

I have the feeling that both the coaching staff and playing roster is currently partially paralysed by fear. That, to me, is the only feasible explanation for them all "bottling it" in matches. Not making bold enough changes and not playing with enough confidence through key phases in matches.

Personally I understand more why Miami is being held back than why we are not getting Johnno on for the last 15-20 minutes for Nigel De Jong. Nigel has been excellent this season but if we are coming under pressure then, for me, MJ offers the ability to break up play (as WD does) but also has immensely more ability on the ball and with the ball. His superior use of the ball would relieve pressure on us miles more than Nigel putting in last ditch tackle after last ditch tackle

[CityFanFromRome]

Personally I understand more why Miami is being held back than why we are not getting Johnno on for the last 15-20 minutes for Nigel De Jong. Nigel has been excellent this season but if we are coming under pressure then, for me, MJ offers the ability to break up play (as WD does) but also has immensely more ability on the ball and with the ball. His superior use of the ball would relieve pressure on us miles more than Nigel putting in last ditch tackle after last ditch tackle

I'm not sure i agree with this. I can see where you're coming from but even with De Jong on the pitch we have other people there who can use the ball well after he's gained it back, I'm thinking of Barry, Superman, SWP, and De Jong is better than Johnno at winning the ball back, so I would keep him in. If anything I'd consider putting Johnno on for the most tired of the three I mentioned, that I would definitely agree with as he would be fresh and more lucid so he could manage the ball better.

[ant london]

I'm not sure i agree with this. I can see where you're coming from but even with De Jong on the pitch we have other people there who can use the ball well after he's gained it back, I'm thinking of Barry & SWP

If these two were in form I would agree with that....but both of them have been horrible at giving away possession over the last draw bore run of matches. So I am not currently sold on the idea of Nigel winning the ball and giving it short to one of them to immediately turn possession over...In fact that was kinda my whole point

De Jong is better than Johnno at winning the ball back, so I would keep him in.

I am not talking about not playing him. I would start him in probably every single game, I'm talking about when we are trying to keep a stranglehold of a game where we are ahead. I can see where you're coming from in terms of sacrficing one of SWP/Barry/Ireland but I would still rather take of De Jong in some games and have Johnson plus two all pressing the ball and using it more sensibly

[Dubaimancityfan]

I can't understand those who say that Vlad is not ready to play for the first team yet. He's been on the bench in most games
this season so obviuosly MH thinks he's ready. He just doesn't have th balls to play him !
Does anyone really think that it wud have been a big risk to play him against the likes of Burnley and Hull at home
or Birmingham away ??
I'm not saying he shud start ahead of SWP (not yet anyway) but he shud at least get some playing time.

[Alex Sapphire]

I can't understand those who say that Vlad is not ready to play for the first team yet. He's been on the bench in most games
this season so obviuosly MH thinks he's ready. He just doesn't have th balls to play him !
Does anyone really think that it wud have been a big risk to play him against the likes of Burnley and Hull at home
or Birmingham away ??
I'm not saying he shud start ahead of SWP (not yet anyway) but he shud at least get some playing time.

Isn't the problem that he can't be used until the manager feels the points are secure. We can neither afford to put the result at risk OR mess with his self confidence. Send him on when we're well on top and let him express himself and he will grow from it.
Throw him on when we have a lot to do and he may have to defend as well as attack, and it could set him back/expose his immaturity.

[CityFanFromRome]

I'm not sure i agree with this. I can see where you're coming from but even with De Jong on the pitch we have other people there who can use the ball well after he's gained it back, I'm thinking of Barry & SWP

If these two were in form I would agree with that....but both of them have been horrible at giving away possession over the last draw bore run of matches. So I am not currently sold on the idea of Nigel winning the ball and giving it short to one of them to immediately turn possession over...In fact that was kinda my whole point

Then maybe it's one of these two that should make space for Johnno late in the game, that was my point.

[john@staustell]

I can't understand those who say that Vlad is not ready to play for the first team yet. He's been on the bench in most games
this season so obviuosly MH thinks he's ready. He just doesn't have th balls to play him !
Does anyone really think that it wud have been a big risk to play him against the likes of Burnley and Hull at home
or Birmingham away ??
I'm not saying he shud start ahead of SWP (not yet anyway) but he shud at least get some playing time.

That's a bit of a strange quote really. Just a pure anti-Hughes line (and I'm still on that fence!). Surely any manager would play him if he thought we were more likely to win, and therefore benefit said manager?

Nothing to do with balls at all.

The people at the club know far more about Weiss than we experts do so lets wait and see with this guy eh?

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Time to give this talented lad a chance ! Wenger would not hesitate if he was a Gooner and good enough. If not the boy will end up abroad possiblty in the Bundersleague I rate him having seen him play quite a bit ....come on City give him a run and leave SWP out WHO HAS GOT THE BOTTLE ? I duobt we will see him at all this week....very sad for the boy.

Why SWP out?

Some people moan about Santa Cruz being a boo boy but I really can't understand how a winger who has 3 goals and 5 assists is constantly being critisised. I do agree that he had few games spell where he wasn't performing to best of his ability but in past few games he has been back to his best and been our most efective player.

[Vhero]

After reading a few posts on here some people seem to think in order for Weiss to get a chance SWP has to lose his place?? Are you fucking crazy??? Like I said earlier giving the lad 10-20 minutes in a match isn't gonna hurt SWP one bit and will give Weiss his chance as little as it might be. If he performs better than SWP and DOES keep him off the field? Then so be it he deserves the place more if he's better for the role as he proved it on the field rather than us just saying he is better.

I think the main problem here if I have to be real is the fact Hughes doesn't have the guts to replace SWP lately as we havn't been up near the end of a game we have either been down or level so replacing SWP might be seen as a bad decision tactically and he might be slated for it. Of course that's a bit stupid as he made some weird tactical decisions but in my head its the only one that makes logical sense. I think he's gonna wait till we are safe in a game then give the lad some time however right now we just haven't got it. I can honestly see him starting in our FA cup game or at least getting a run out. So the real question here is Hughes or our position right now holding Weiss back? As honestly can we take the chance of putting him on the field ahead of SWP who is a proven performer in the past. The same damn argument we are using to replace Hughes (proven manager/proven player) is why he's not playing.

[Dubaimancityfan]

I can't understand those who say that Vlad is not ready to play for the first team yet. He's been on the bench in most games
this season so obviuosly MH thinks he's ready. He just doesn't have th balls to play him !
Does anyone really think that it wud have been a big risk to play him against the likes of Burnley and Hull at home
or Birmingham away ??
I'm not saying he shud start ahead of SWP (not yet anyway) but he shud at least get some playing time.

That's a bit of a strange quote really. Just a pure anti-Hughes line (and I'm still on that fence!). Surely any manager would play him if he thought we were more likely to win, and therefore benefit said manager?

Nothing to do with balls at all.

The people at the club know far more about Weiss than we experts do so lets wait and see with this guy eh?

I mentioned the Burnley and Birmingham matches specifically as this was the period in which SWP was badly out of form
(he's been much better in the last 2 matches). Would it have been a big gamble to give Vlad a run in these 2 games ?
I never said that he shud start ahead of SWP but can replace him at times when he needs a fully deserved rest.
In fact I even think they can both be on the field at the same time with Sweep tucking in or playing on the left (as he does for England sometimes). This could have been tried against Hull instead of bringing on Bellers who's been annynomous lately.
The sign of a good manager is to be a bit adventorous sometimes. MH is not and doesn't know how to change the game.
Is that anti Hughes. You work it out.

[Vhero]

I can't understand those who say that Vlad is not ready to play for the first team yet. He's been on the bench in most games
this season so obviuosly MH thinks he's ready. He just doesn't have th balls to play him !
Does anyone really think that it wud have been a big risk to play him against the likes of Burnley and Hull at home
or Birmingham away ??
I'm not saying he shud start ahead of SWP (not yet anyway) but he shud at least get some playing time.

That's a bit of a strange quote really. Just a pure anti-Hughes line (and I'm still on that fence!). Surely any manager would play him if he thought we were more likely to win, and therefore benefit said manager?

Nothing to do with balls at all.

The people at the club know far more about Weiss than we experts do so lets wait and see with this guy eh?

I mentioned the Burnley and Birmingham matches specifically as this was the period in which SWP was badly out of form
(he's been much better in the last 2 matches). Would it have been a big gamble to give Vlad a run in these 2 games ?
I never said that he shud start ahead of SWP but can replace him at times when he needs a fully deserved rest.
In fact I even think they can both be on the field at the same time with Sweep tucking in or playing on the left (as he does for England sometimes). This could have been tried against Hull instead of bringing on Bellers who's been annynomous lately.
The sign of a good manager is to be a bit adventorous sometimes. MH is not and doesn't know how to change the game.
Is that anti Hughes. You work it out.

This is basically what I am trying to get across it's all about the situation and manager. He's being held back by a bit of both. It's neither 1 or the other really. I think MH does need to be more adventurous but the fact he isn't makes me think he's on a thin line. At least if he plays his strongest players ya see he can try and claim it wasn't all his fault.

[Crossie]

Sounds like he always stays behind in training to work hard and impress, and no doubting his ability, however if we play him in his correct position of right wing, maybe Hughes is worried that a lack of experience as possible lack of tracking back or tackling ability may put even more pressure on our right back, be it Richards or Zabs.

With the defence under pressure and making mistakes, adding more potential work for them isn't what we need right now.

SWP or Bellers played on that right hand role, are less risky defensively because we all see how hard they work and how stuck in they are willing to get.

I personally think fuck it give him 3/4 games on the right wing,

However we dont and will never know the whole story...........................

[pepsi_dave]

ALL WE ARE SAYING IS GIVE WEISS A CHANCE

[Rag_hater]

I think he is ready and would like to see him and SWP together.

[Im_Spartacus]

How old is he? We are definately not Arsenal, and for me, I wouldn't give him a run out until we are 3 up in a game. Yes, he is talented but would you risk him against the likes of Chelsea. Arsenal 'Coming of Age' maybe, but even then I would prefer the old and bold until the game is won.

He's 20 years old today. Absolutely criminal that we aint given this lad a chance yet. Shrek, Tranaldo, Owen, Shearer etc had all played over a 100 first team games at his age for fucles sake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

And all were world class

He hasnt played yet for a reason. I'd love to see him but to compare him with world greats is ridiculous - if he was good enough it would be impossible not to pick him - clearly he isnt

[ant london]

I want to see Weiss get more game time as much as anyone but we have to face facts and, we have quite a lot of senior players currently who the manager is playing and who can all play his wide right position

SWP
Bellamy and
Tevez have all played there and can play there.

Fact of the matter is, he is just 20 years old

Look at the "kids" who played for the scum last night

Welbeck is 19 and has 5 appearances or something
Gibson is 22 and has had 2 spells on loan since debuting before getting his "big chance" again


However, Obertan is probably a better choice for comparison....he was signed specifically to play wide after having played over 60 first team games in France. And he's played about 3 times, he's 20 too...with vastly more experience than Vlad

What I'm saying is that he has talent, we know that. But we have lots of strength in his position. If we didn't and SWP was in (what I would say is his current) debatable form then I'm sure he'd have had more game time but we have very experienced senior options.

I want Vlad blooded when we are in form and winning games.....I don't want him put on as the new Messiah and so we hear groans when, unsurprisingly this kid doesn't carry us to victory singlehanded