If Hiddink was in charge....

[Blue2]

Clutching there mate, your'e right comparing league games with European cup. Try comparing Hiddink's Prem record with Hughes', a bit more relevant , but not a fair comparison on Hughes.

[Beefymcfc]

Clutching there mate, your'e right comparing league games with European cup. Try comparing Hiddink's Prem record with Hughes', a bit more relevant , but not a fair comparison on Hughes.

B2, totally irrelevant mate as you cannot compare our circumstance with theirs!

[Alex Sapphire]

for the Mancini, Mourinho gang:
their accomplishment is that they took successful well financed siides and won something with them. I.e they had them perform to their potential.
They didn't achieve anything that hadn't previously been achieved by their teams did they?
Mourinhio took Chelsea up one place in the league in his first season and won the same number of trophies as Gianluca Vialli in his first two years.
How is that better than having a less well funded more ordinary side perform beyond reasonable expectations?

[Blue2]

Clutching there mate, your'e right comparing league games with European cup. Try comparing Hiddink's Prem record with Hughes', a bit more relevant , but not a fair comparison on Hughes.

B2, totally irrelevant mate as you cannot compare our circumstance with theirs!

Thats what I said, did you not read the last line mate?

Sorry just realised where the confusion may have arisen, my reply should have quoted Blue in Bosnia -

" PSV hardly look massive underdogs on that list. And they didn't win a match in open play after the Round of 16. In fact, their stats were as follows:
P 9 W 3 D 5 L 1

Just for a brief (if somewhat irrelevant) comparison, our record after 9 league matches under Hughes was:
P 9 W 5 D 3 L 1 "

[BlueinBosnia]

Clutching there mate, your'e right comparing league games with European cup. Try comparing Hiddink's Prem record with Hughes', a bit more relevant , but not a fair comparison on Hughes.

This thread is about Hiddink, not Hughes, which is why I've kept my mentionings of him to a minimum. I don't think Hiddink is an exceptional manager, and have backed that up with the facts as to why. His EC win was 20 years ago, and nothing exceptional considering the calibre of teams winning in the surrounding years. The Cup run in itself wasn't brilliant. The Dutch League is comparatively easy to win if you're managing one of the Big 3, and he's won the FA Cup with Chelsea, as did less notable squads under Gullit and Vialli.

[eastlands-lostboy]

If my Dad had tits he would be my mom

[Beefymcfc]

Clutching there mate, your'e right comparing league games with European cup. Try comparing Hiddink's Prem record with Hughes', a bit more relevant , but not a fair comparison on Hughes.

B2, totally irrelevant mate as you cannot compare our circumstance with theirs!

Thats what I said, did you not read the last line mate?

If it was irrelevent, why mention it? And no, I didn't, it was irrelevent ;-)

[Blue2]

Clutching there mate, your'e right comparing league games with European cup. Try comparing Hiddink's Prem record with Hughes', a bit more relevant , but not a fair comparison on Hughes.

This thread is about Hiddink, not Hughes, which is why I've kept my mentionings of him to a minimum. I don't think Hiddink is an exceptional manager, and have backed that up with the facts as to why. His EC win was 20 years ago, and nothing exceptional considering the calibre of teams winning in the surrounding years. The Cup run in itself wasn't brilliant. The Dutch League is comparatively easy to win if you're managing one of the Big 3, and he's won the FA Cup with Chelsea, as did less notable squads under Gullit and Vialli.

I was replying to your post comparing the two!

[BlueinBosnia]

Clutching there mate, your'e right comparing league games with European cup. Try comparing Hiddink's Prem record with Hughes', a bit more relevant , but not a fair comparison on Hughes.

This thread is about Hiddink, not Hughes, which is why I've kept my mentionings of him to a minimum. I don't think Hiddink is an exceptional manager, and have backed that up with the facts as to why. His EC win was 20 years ago, and nothing exceptional considering the calibre of teams winning in the surrounding years. The Cup run in itself wasn't brilliant. The Dutch League is comparatively easy to win if you're managing one of the Big 3, and he's won the FA Cup with Chelsea, as did less notable squads under Gullit and Vialli.

I was replying to your post comparing the two!

That was a sly dig at Socrates's equally irrelevant comment regarding my previous post, in which the unmentionable went unmentioned! ;)

[Blue2]

Think a few of us may be making irrelevant posts here, I vote we stop it with immediate effect.

[Alex Sapphire]

If my Dad had tits he would be my mom

not necessarily.
If he had a cunt he may be.
then again

;-)

[Beefymcfc]

Think a few of us may be making irrelevant posts here, I vote we stop it with immediate effect.

If you tell me what it means, I'll agree ;-)

Hiddink OUT!!!

[Socrates]

for the Mancini, Mourinho gang:
their accomplishment is that they took successful well financed siides and won something with them. I.e they had them perform to their potential.
They didn't achieve anything that hadn't previously been achieved by their teams did they?
Mourinhio took Chelsea up one place in the league in his first season and won the same number of trophies as Gianluca Vialli in his first two years.
How is that better than having a less well funded more ordinary side perform beyond reasonable expectations?

Point being Alex that they have both shown that they can successfully run the team at a big well financed club. As has Rijkaard. Exactly what we need in that regard. The question then is do we want negative football and me-me-me-ness from Mourinho or attack minded exciting football that Rijkaard and Mancini are known for - football of the kind Hughes wants to play but just doesn't have in him I'm afraid.

[Grob]

The formation and tactics are wrong. Hughes almost had the formation and pattern of play right last season. Now he's reverted to midtable Blackburn Rovers football.

Thats the problem.

If he can sort this out asap then we will be fine. But the fact that its gone on for weeks now and he hasnt changed it is what worries me. We can see theres something wrong, yet he can't.

[Mr Miyagi]

We can see theres something wrong, yet he can't.

What if he can see what is going on, and that he we are now playing how he wants? We might not like it in the stands, but it could be that Hughes feels he has his choice of players and that they are carrying out his instructions. That is the issue that worries me... he might feel everything is right and good results will come eventually...

[Mr Miyagi]

Back to the OP....

Question: is Hiddink an upgrade on what we have? Yes.

Regardless of what leagues he managed in, Hiddink has been more successful than Hughes in his managerial career. It's simply a fact. I can't understand how people are debating that point.

[Alex Sapphire]

Back to the OP....

Question: is Hiddink an upgrade on what we have? Yes.

Regardless of what leagues he managed in, Hiddink has been more successful than Hughes in his managerial career. It's simply a fact. I can't understand how people are debating that point.

Other "upgrades " would include Scolari, Ramos, SGE. The list is a long one if your criterion is that they won trophies. the debate is because the circumstances of winning them are relevent.

[CityFanFromRome]

want a manager that
a) can stay for a long time and build a dynasty
b) can successfully implement a stategy of playing good attack minded football
and c) has already won trophies as a manager

Sadly he's not going to leave Barca, because I'd love him.

As for the other suggestions, I don't like Mancini and Rijkaard too much, especially Mancini. He was handed a winning machine at Inter, and he won in Italy, not as easily as he should have, mind you, but he failed quite badly in Europe. Not that Mourinho is doing much better there, but still Rijkaard at least got Barca to win both in Spain and in Europe...

[ashton287]

i think a major problem that keeps clubs down these days isnot giving the manager enough time we need to give him till atleast the end of NEXT season, big clubs have stable managers and after hes been in the job a few years bigger players will respect him more aswell and so will other managers if we got hiddink in in january it would also takehim a while to gain the respect of the big clubs/players and you cant win things without your team respecting you because otherwise everybody will just question everything you do and then nothing will ever get done the way you want and anyone who was chanting munich can fuck off and die no one says it to tevez do they wankers

[Vhero]

The formation and tactics are wrong. Hughes almost had the formation and pattern of play right last season. Now he's reverted to midtable Blackburn Rovers football.

Thats the problem.

If he can sort this out asap then we will be fine. But the fact that its gone on for weeks now and he hasnt changed it is what worries me. We can see theres something wrong, yet he can't.

I agree about the formation and tactics he was almost right and he went out and bought players to suit them tactics and then changed them.