Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby Blue Since 76 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:19 am

Just seen it on TV from behind Webb. The angle was lower than his eye view but otherwise similar. From there, it was actually hard to see the contact, as Garcia's other leg hid it. Sure Webb will say he couldn't see the contact.
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby Beefymcfc » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:25 am

Blue Since 76 wrote:Just seen it on TV from behind Webb. The angle was lower than his eye view but otherwise similar. From there, it was actually hard to see the contact, as Garcia's other leg hid it. Sure Webb will say he couldn't see the contact.

From that angle, did they say it was a sending off?
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby john68 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:21 am

dazby wrote:
ZonaZooBlu wrote:Webb didn't even give the free-kick...the ball left Garcias foot and didn't change direction and then he is clearly hurt. Webb is bent.. what did he think had happened to Garcia!!!!


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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby john@staustell » Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:57 am

Real shocker

No mention in the press of course

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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby Arjan Van Schotte » Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:07 am

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013 ... ity-fa-cup

It should have been Stoke doing the reorganising at the start of the second half when Glenn Whelan was incredibly lucky to stay on the field after effectively stamping on Javi García's ankle.

The only explanation for Howard Webb's decision not to caution the player must have been that he had not seen the incident properly. Those with a replay facility could see that Whelan jumped in two-footed with studs raised in exactly the manner that is now supposed to be outlawed. Though in evident pain, García was not seriously injured and was able to continue, yet Whelan's unpunished tackle was much more of a shocker than the recent one involving Kompany that hurt no one and led to the Manchester City captain being dismissed. Kompany's ban was overturned on appeal and Whelan may now find himself subject to the opposite process.

Because the referee missed the incident and took no action, the FA can charge the player should they so wish. Webb hardly helped himself a few minutes later when he booked Ryan Shotton for a challenge on Tevez that was clearly accidental.
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby Blue Since 76 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:57 am

Beefymcfc wrote:From that angle, did they say it was a sending off?


They showed it from about 4 angles, whilst saying it was a sending off and enquiring how Webb had missed it. But from one angle on the TV you can't see him catch him and it's even difficult to see him jump. That's the angle behind Webb's head, although his head would have been higher which should have given him a better view.

Should allow Webb to explain how he missed it and Whelan to get called up
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby Slim » Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:07 am

Blue Since 76 wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:From that angle, did they say it was a sending off?


They showed it from about 4 angles, whilst saying it was a sending off and enquiring how Webb had missed it. But from one angle on the TV you can't see him catch him and it's even difficult to see him jump. That's the angle behind Webb's head, although his head would have been higher which should have given him a better view.

Should allow Webb to explain how he missed it and Whelan to get called up


You are aware Whelan has 45 caps right?
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby Blue Since 76 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:08 am

Slim wrote:
You are aware Whelan has 45 caps right?


I realised how it read after I posted it, but couldn't be arsed changing it.
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:51 am

I also think tbf that it is obscured from the angle Webb sees it. Garcia sildes through & it just looks as if it's a harmless coming together as Garcia's leg obscures the fact that Whelan is off the ground.

Much as I don't like to argue in favour of Howard Webb, I think it was just one of those things.
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby Tokyo Blue » Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:57 pm

Well, we'll see over the next few days if mister webb is prepared to accept that he has made a mistake/missed something he really should have seen. If the city reject isn't charged, I can only conclude that webb is either bent, an egomaniac who thinks he can do no wrong, or an unprofessional incompetent incapable of making the right decisions. I can't see any other way of looking at it.
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby AG7 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:16 am

"Stoke's Glen Whelan escapes FA punishment for his two-footed stamp on Javi Garcia because Howard Webb is adjudged to have seen the incident."

And he's the best ref in England!
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby DoomMerchant » Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:28 am

AG7 wrote:"Stoke's Glen Whelan escapes FA punishment for his two-footed stamp on Javi Garcia because Howard Webb is adjudged to have seen the incident."

And he's the best ref in England!


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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby AG7 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:00 am

Telegraph: Stoke's Glenn Whelan in the clear over 'stamp' on Manchester City rival Javi Garcia

Google it ... can't paste link from phone, Telegraph's mobile site opening up my Telegraph app and not letting me copy the link.
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby aaron bond » Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:32 am

There aren't any quotes here but the Independent is reporting that there will be no action taken on Whelan:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 68979.html

Glenn Whelan is set to escape retrospective punishment from the Football Association following his two-footed lunge at Javi Garcia on Saturday because the referee saw the foul.

The clash was adjudged to have been refereed by Howard Webb, even though he seemingly failed to realise the seriousness of the challenge. Following Mario Balotelli's controversial clash with Arsenal's Alex Song last season, an FA statement read: "Where at least one of the officials has seen the coming together of players retrospective action is not taken, regardless of whether they have seen the full extent of the challenge. Retrospective action can only be taken in scenarios where none of the match officials saw the players coming together."

That, however, didn't stop Whelan's challenge being the talk of the Britannia Stadium after Manchester City's 1-0 win. Gareth Barry had said that he thought there were reasons for the player to be reprimanded in hindsight. "I think there is a case," he said. "I think it's the rule now that if the referee doesn't see it but reports it, then they can have another look."

Whelan said he would have to see the tackle again. "I don't think I caught him as much as he was rolling about. Obviously he's felt it so you have to take that," he said. "I've gone in for the challenge and I don't think I tried to be dirty but it if it looks that way on TV then I'll have to hold my hands up."

The reason Vincent Kompany's red card against Arsenal this month was rescinded was because the club appealed, and therefore the FA can intervene, but Roberto Mancini will be without his captain for tomorrow's trip to Queen's Park Rangers as Kompany has a pulled calf.
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby Dunnylad » Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:02 am

So what about Ballotelli on Parker? Ref saw that and dealt with it, but then admitted if he'd seen it as on tv punishment would have been more and it was - same goes for adebayor against arsenal or did they conveniently claim to not see that one?? All boils down to shit refereeing if he did see it he should be sent to the lower leagues as he obviously isn't doing his job properly
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby Mase » Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:08 am

They make it up as they go along!

Ben Thatcher got a yellow for assaulting that horse that played for Pompey, yet the FA still banned him afterwards.
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby Avalon » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:21 am

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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby Slim » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:36 am

Avalon wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/fa-cup/9830413/Stokes-Glenn-Whelan-in-the-clear-over-stamp-on-Manchester-City-rival-Javi-Garcia.html

Is this really happening?


If Glenn Whelan isn't up in front of a disciplinary board, then Webb should be.

His choice.
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby Tokyo Blue » Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:50 pm

Tokyo Blue wrote:Well, we'll see over the next few days if mister webb is prepared to accept that he has made a mistake/missed something he really should have seen. If the city reject isn't charged, I can only conclude that webb is either bent, an egomaniac who thinks he can do no wrong, or an unprofessional incompetent incapable of making the right decisions. I can't see any other way of looking at it.

I'll go with a combination of bent and egomaniac, I think.
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Re: Whelan's long jump tackle on Garcia

Postby Wonderwall » Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:07 pm

FA to take no action saying it was an on the ball incident
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