Mancini's Record

[I Just Blue Myself]

It says 'Won: 1' under 'Champions League Only'. I must've missed that one.

[Dameerto]

It says 'Won: 1' under 'Champions League Only'. I must've missed that one.

Looks like a typo, or a senior moment (or both) - under win percentage he has it at zero.

[Beefymcfc]

It says 'Won: 1' under 'Champions League Only'. I must've missed that one.

How the fuck, I must've been hoping!

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

>>>>As I can't see the point in using figures over a 12 month period as it's all about the season for me. So I thought I'd pull together a few stats, good or bad, that you can take into account. Pull apart at will.

The point is that around the festive season last year we started to look less composed away from home. That away form has now continued for nearly twelve months. It is now 'the norm' for us. This is what we truly are away from home.

I didn't include the charity shield as although it wasn't a home game, it wasn't at the oppo's home ground either.

If you look at those figures from the most recent twelve months, it equates to a meagre 1.43 points per game, giving just 27 points away from home when projected over a Prem season. That would leave us needing 62 points at home to match last season's tally.
We are struggling to break sides down at home now too. (Five teams have avoided defeat at ours this season already)
Unless we significantly improve away from home there will be no title challenge from us this season. And Bob makes it look so complicated when we go our travels I don't believe it will get much better.
This had started to happen a good while ago (we went nine away games scoring just four goals) and Bob has not addressed the problem.
Be brave Bob, we need wins or the title race will be over before the new year.

[Beefymcfc]

Some good points Piccs but and I can see what you're saying about over 12 month period but for me every season is different. Too many factors have to be considered and any stats we show only goes to prove a point - the one we want them to.

As for the CL games, they are a completely different entity to that of the Prem. We know we are out of that and all within the club should be examining the CL in minute detail as it really wasn't acceptable to be at the bottom, especially after our efforts in the first game against Real. As Dave Silva alluded to, maybe it's a case of 'Having the stuffing knocked out of you' but in my book the players should have had the mental fortitude to plough through.

What should be really worrying for those who choose to is the fact that United are level on points to what they had last year, at the same stage, whereas we are actually 5 points down. I think we are also now level head-to-head against the teams we've played so in reality, we've not actually made any progress whatsoever.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

I believe Bob's negativity will cost us and that we will NOT make a challenge for the title this season. I truly hope I'm wrong.
The first four months of last season was where I want City to be, great football and entertaining, winning efforts. But for close on twelve months now, we have been poor. Stagnating at best, but I fear we're regressing.
And that is why it has to be....Bob Out!

[kinkylola]

Poor for 12 months ... And with a title ... And 2nd in the league with the derby coming up.

With sad sacks like these as fans, we dont even need the press to knock us off our stride, we'll do it to ourselves.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

Kinkyola, you think I'm a sad sack, I think you are a blindly lead sheep.
At what point do you think Bob should go? If we are out of contention for the league? If we are out of contention for the League and out of the Fa Cup? Or never, Bob has earned the right to never be criticised? I believe that his negativity, his natural over caution stops us progressing, stops us being what we really should be. I think he holds us back and that we won the title despite Mancini's style rather than because of it.
And kinkyola, I think you are a sad sack for saying that, just because I don't agree with you. So up yer pipe.

[Beefymcfc]

I believe Bob's negativity will cost us and that we will NOT make a challenge for the title this season. I truly hope I'm wrong.
The first four months of last season was where I want City to be, great football and entertaining, winning efforts. But for close on twelve months now, we have been poor. Stagnating at best, but I fear we're regressing.
And that is why it has to be....Bob Out!

I'm not trying to change your opinion mate, just trying to understand the reasoning behind it. Mancini has done an excellent job so far and if it wasn't for our CL showing there wouldn't even be a question mark.

As for the 'Negativity' statement, that's dumbfounded me even more. Just from watching the games this season, and last, we usually dominate games and only in a few have we had to defend over long period of play. I'd put the Arsenal game into this bracket. To further that statement, prior to the Everton match we had the second highest shots on goal with, would you have guessed it, Everton topping the table.

Out of those stats it was interesting to read that we had the 3rd highest number of shots that were off target and the 3rd highest number of shots blocked. That says to me how teams are defending against us, they know we can hurt them so parking the bus is becoming the norm. We did however, have the highest number of shots on target (either scored or saved) which states that we are far from negative, in fact, complete the opposite. What it does show is that we are still getting the majority of play and getting more shots on goal than anybody else. Mancini himself has stated that we are just not putting them in the onion bag whic comes down to the strikers at our disposal. We know they can do it, there just not doing it at the moment. If they were, again, there would be no question regarding his tenure.

And to finish, you say that you want us to go back to the last 4 months of last season but overall the last 12 months have been 'poor'. Well, that 4 months is when we won the Premier League and this 4 months is where we sit just behind United (yes, the United who know all about this league, far more than Man City and far more than Mancini).

Doesn't sound to bad to me mate. Each to there own though, as they say.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

We are slow, with no width and pace. We are taking extra passes, playing at walking pace and don't get behind teams. Our width is not created by wingers it is meant to come from the likes of Kolarov or Zabba. It results in us looking unlikely to score. Yesterday was a prime example, it was obvious that we would struggle, because Scouse II are tough to break down and we aren't very good at it. That's how it mapped out and nobody was surprised. So for all those stats in reality we often look turgid without imagination.

[Beefymcfc]

We are slow, with no width and pace. We are taking extra passes, playing at walking pace and don't get behind teams. Our width is not created by wingers it is meant to come from the likes of Kolarov or Zabba. It results in us looking unlikely to score. Yesterday was a prime example, it was obvious that we would struggle, because Scouse II are tough to break down and we aren't very good at it. That's how it mapped out and nobody was surprised. So for all those stats in reality we often look turgid without imagination.

That's obviously a player issue then mate. Width has always been one of my biggest concerns and looking at it, Mancini's. I'm guessing that's why he's adopting the 3 at the back formation. I think it was John who said that this will probably take a while to perfect but once we do it will give us another string to our bow. In my view he is spot on and what we are seeing is the continuing evolution of the team and tactics.

As for yesterday, it was no surprise and most should not have been shocked by the result. Like every game this season, the oppo are now playing the Premier League Champions and give 100% to get a result. Many will not see us in the same light as they see the likes of United who have had decades creating a losing mentality in their opposition minds. Combine that with Taggarts control of all things Premier League, we're still way behind what they can do.

[kinkylola]

Kinkyola, you think I'm a sad sack, I think you are a blindly lead sheep.
At what point do you think Bob should go? If we are out of contention for the league? If we are out of contention for the League and out of the Fa Cup? Or never, Bob has earned the right to never be criticised? I believe that his negativity, his natural over caution stops us progressing, stops us being what we really should be. I think he holds us back and that we won the title despite Mancini's style rather than because of it.
And kinkyola, I think you are a sad sack for saying that, just because I don't agree with you. So up yer pipe.

err we're second in the league and it's not even mid point to the season yet ... you want him sacked now?

Did you hold the same opinion of Mancini last season? because making us harder to beat is one of the main things that won us the title. Do you think we would have won it playing every game gung ho attacking, ala Mark '4-3' Hughes? If Mancini finished 2nd this season, I wouldn't want to sack him.

'What we should be'? how does that concept have any relevance in competitive sport? We are what we make ourselves, and what Mancini has made us first of all is harder to beat. I understand that you think Mancini adopts an overly cautious approach, but do you think that was the case vs. Everton? I've seen you rumbling around now for a few weeks, so I know it's not a 'knee-jerk', but certainly seems to be what has set you off. We started that game with 2 strikers, silva, nasri and yaya on the field.

The thing that i've noticed this season has been the almost unreal mistakes we have made that led to goals, it was the same vs. Everton and several other times. Do you blame Mancini for Yaya playing like a shitbag this season? Or for aguero/tevez's dips in form?

I happen to disagree with you, the lineup we put out v everton was not negative. We are set up to play possession and be solid in defense, is that really such an odious philosophy? We have players like aguero, silva, tevez, nasri, and yaya who you would think could conspire to create some chances between the lot of them. If we have possession, these players have the ball and can try to work some magic. When it works, we'll score 5+, when it doesn't (and we make some defensive fuck ups) we draw 1-1. Sadly, some magic has been missing of late.

... and I agree, we have looked slow. Our transition is not fast enough and as a result we stall out in front of the oppo box. Unlike you, I don't think that Mancini tells the team to do this. I guess that's the main difference.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

On the contrary, I'm absolutely certain the slow plodding almost chess like approach to games is Mancini's influence. It is his way.

I have massive respect for Ted's point of view, (and John 68's even though we are polar opposites in our view of Mancini) and I fully echo his posts where he suggests that the fun has been taken out of our game.
If you knew the trouble I'd had over the years over my pull towards watching City when family and friends have wanted me elsewhere, and now I'm not particularly arsed about getting to the game. These are times I should be loving, revelling in, the days we dreamed of, after all, we've put up with utter shit and still come back for more, this should be the pay off. But bob is grinding the last drops of entertainment out of this with a functional, 'lets not lose' approach.

[Swales4ever]

On the contrary, I'm absolutely certain the slow plodding almost chess like approach to games is Mancini's influence. It is his way.

I have massive respect for Ted's point of view, (and John 68's even though we are polar opposites in our view of Mancini) and I fully echo his posts where he suggests that the fun has been taken out of our game.
If you knew the trouble I'd had over the years over my pull towards watching City when family and friends have wanted me elsewhere, and now I'm not particularly arsed about getting to the game. These are times I should be loving, revelling in, the days we dreamed of, after all, we've put up with utter shit and still come back for more, this should be the pay off. But bob is grinding the last drops of entertainment out of this with a functional, 'lets not lose' approach.

having already questioned Your mental health - cause I never doubted Your support for City - only I can add, as a well known Mancini licker, is the hope that You won't suit Bob, if Your spouse should happen to part from You...
is getting a tad annoying, isn't it?

[Ted Hughes]

On the contrary, I'm absolutely certain the slow plodding almost chess like approach to games is Mancini's influence. It is his way.

I have massive respect for Ted's point of view, (and John 68's even though we are polar opposites in our view of Mancini) and I fully echo his posts where he suggests that the fun has been taken out of our game.
If you knew the trouble I'd had over the years over my pull towards watching City when family and friends have wanted me elsewhere, and now I'm not particularly arsed about getting to the game. These are times I should be loving, revelling in, the days we dreamed of, after all, we've put up with utter shit and still come back for more, this should be the pay off. But bob is grinding the last drops of entertainment out of this with a functional, 'lets not lose' approach.

I don't think Mancini wants us to play that way though personally. I think he is, so far, unable to change it.

If I thought it was part of a plan, I'd be more comfortable tbh, because it would mean that all we need is a change of plan.

[Swales4ever]

I don't think Mancini wants us to play that way though personally. I think he is, so far, unable to change it.

If I thought it was part of a plan, I'd be more comfortable tbh, because it would mean that all we need is a change of plan.

I think You may well be right there and that's is almost the same understanding I have of it, when also drawn into consideration the right decision to add additional competence (3-5-2/plan B), stubbornly taken at the wrong time.

I think we both share the full agreement on that managers and players are human beings, under silly wages as they were Gods, but still human beings, hence subject to mistakes (managers) and adverse physio and mental conditions (players). Neither I think that You disagree with me on considering that it's not easy to run riots on decent oppositions, tightly locked and whose managers had carefully studied and understood strengths and weaknesses of your side.

I also have great hopes and expectations for the next season, which shall follow a normal pre-season with all the key players fully involved, and more IMPORTANTLY, the first summer transfer window whereas Roberto Mancini will be backed by the combined performance of a Senior CEO and a Senior SPORTING DIRECTOR.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

On the contrary, I'm absolutely certain the slow plodding almost chess like approach to games is Mancini's influence. It is his way.

I have massive respect for Ted's point of view, (and John 68's even though we are polar opposites in our view of Mancini) and I fully echo his posts where he suggests that the fun has been taken out of our game.
If you knew the trouble I'd had over the years over my pull towards watching City when family and friends have wanted me elsewhere, and now I'm not particularly arsed about getting to the game. These are times I should be loving, revelling in, the days we dreamed of, after all, we've put up with utter shit and still come back for more, this should be the pay off. But bob is grinding the last drops of entertainment out of this with a functional, 'lets not lose' approach.

I don't think Mancini wants us to play that way though personally. I think he is, so far, unable to change it.

If I thought it was part of a plan, I'd be more comfortable tbh, because it would mean that all we need is a change of plan.

Oh no, It's Mancini. It won't change any time soon.

[john68]

I hope it doesn't change Piccs mate.

I quite enjoyed it when we we won the FA Cup.
I was more than happy to see us win the Community Shield.
I was fuclin delirious when we became Champions.
....and I was overjoyed as the 6th goal went in at the swamp.

As shit and defensive as we may be, a win on Sunday against the rags will put us back on top of the League on GD. I for one, am happy about that.

We may be shit Mate...but at the moment, we are the BEST SHIT in the League.

[carl_feedthegoat]

I hope it doesn't change Piccs mate.

I quite enjoyed it when we we won the FA Cup.
I was more than happy to see us win the Community Shield.
I was fuclin delirious when we became Champions.
....and I was overjoyed as the 6th goal went in at the swamp.

As shit and defensive as we may be, a win on Sunday against the rags will put us back on top of the League on GD. I for one, am happy about that.

We may be shit Mate...but at the moment, we are the BEST SHIT in the League.

You are quite right , but you also have to understand that the football on show is droll , there is no other word for it and thousands of punters do not like it.
All we ask if for Mancini to sort it out and up to now there is very little indiciation that he is.

The rag game is huge...I do not care if its a draw as long as we play the right way at home but if we lose playing the same way e have done recently then the knives will be out.

[Beefymcfc]

I hope it doesn't change Piccs mate.

I quite enjoyed it when we we won the FA Cup.
I was more than happy to see us win the Community Shield.
I was fuclin delirious when we became Champions.
....and I was overjoyed as the 6th goal went in at the swamp.

As shit and defensive as we may be, a win on Sunday against the rags will put us back on top of the League on GD. I for one, am happy about that.

We may be shit Mate...but at the moment, we are the BEST SHIT in the League.

....And all the World.....all the world...........