Mancini was in talks with Monaco *possible bollox*

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

So if Pep Guardiola or Mourinho were in danger of the sack, they wouldn't speak to anyone else about a possible back up option, they'd just sit there & hope everything worked out ?

Mourinho has been speaking to City for years.

If he'd become City manager (which would have happened had he been available, we would have dropped Bob like a stone) does anyone think he would have just hapilly stayed with us, come what may, & never spoken to anyone else ? It's 50/50 the fucker would leave us for the rags.

What planet are some of you lot living on ?


Re Pep; I belive Bob's job is in serious danger from him now that Tricky has arrived, but I have absolutely no reason to think that he would be better or more successful than Bob if he took over. It's 50/50 imo. His methods may work straight away or they may fail spectacularly. If they did, the 1st people to call for his head, would be the ones who are now asking for him to get the job.

If we did sack Bob for Guardiola (which we shouldn't but I fear we may if he slips up just slightly) I would advocate giving him & his crew 5 years to get City on track as an English Barca, as it could go horribly wrong initially.

I would put up with that in order to build a future, just as I'll put up with Bob now when he fucks up, for the same reasons. Imo, there would be absolutely no point in bringing Guardiola here as a short term fix. It would have to be a long term, academy related appointment. Mancini has already won the league, Guardiola hasn't, he would need to learn our league, like Mancini did & is still doing. He could easily struggle for a while.

No way would half the people on here give Pep 5 years if he didn't succeed immediately.

Spot on.
On all accounts.

Like you said, if owners and Bequiristain feel that Pep is the way forward, then so be it. I don't think he would necesserily do better than Mancini has but powers-that-be want to see that card then I'm willing to back them. But regardless of who comes in or whether Mancini stays, what we need now is T-I-M-E.

We have already tasted success and won the league faster than I could've ever expected. The biggest mountain of them all will be Champion's League and naturally it will take a while to conquer that as well. But to draw some conclusions on few poor games or even poor run after we have already improved so much in so little time is just ridiculous.

A few poor games is not the reason , Mancini CONTINUES to fuck up with team selection,tactics,and in most cases, substitutions...and dont get me started on his inept approach to the CL games ffs !

All I ask is that the cunt LEARNS from past mistakes but he doesnt and hasnt.

You talk like we had actually lost league games this season and like we didn't win league last season and FA Cup season before that.

He has only really fucked up in one area and that is Champion's League, the hardest bit that will take some time to conquer regardless of who is in charge.

For what it's worth, if we sack Mancini now and replace him with someone else the chances are pretty good he will not be able to do what Mancini has done, nevermind improve us.

[Ted Hughes]

So if Pep Guardiola or Mourinho were in danger of the sack, they wouldn't speak to anyone else about a possible back up option, they'd just sit there & hope everything worked out ?

Mourinho has been speaking to City for years.

If he'd become City manager (which would have happened had he been available, we would have dropped Bob like a stone) does anyone think he would have just hapilly stayed with us, come what may, & never spoken to anyone else ? It's 50/50 the fucker would leave us for the rags.

What planet are some of you lot living on ?


Re Pep; I belive Bob's job is in serious danger from him now that Tricky has arrived, but I have absolutely no reason to think that he would be better or more successful than Bob if he took over. It's 50/50 imo. His methods may work straight away or they may fail spectacularly. If they did, the 1st people to call for his head, would be the ones who are now asking for him to get the job.

If we did sack Bob for Guardiola (which we shouldn't but I fear we may if he slips up just slightly) I would advocate giving him & his crew 5 years to get City on track as an English Barca, as it could go horribly wrong initially.

I would put up with that in order to build a future, just as I'll put up with Bob now when he fucks up, for the same reasons. Imo, there would be absolutely no point in bringing Guardiola here as a short term fix. It would have to be a long term, academy related appointment. Mancini has already won the league, Guardiola hasn't, he would need to learn our league, like Mancini did & is still doing. He could easily struggle for a while.

No way would half the people on here give Pep 5 years if he didn't succeed immediately.

Spot on.
On all accounts.

Like you said, if owners and Bequiristain feel that Pep is the way forward, then so be it. I don't think he would necesserily do better than Mancini has but powers-that-be want to see that card then I'm willing to back them. But regardless of who comes in or whether Mancini stays, what we need now is T-I-M-E.

We have already tasted success and won the league faster than I could've ever expected. The biggest mountain of them all will be Champion's League and naturally it will take a while to conquer that as well. But to draw some conclusions on few poor games or even poor run after we have already improved so much in so little time is just ridiculous.

A few poor games is not the reason , Mancini CONTINUES to fuck up with team selection,tactics,and in most cases, substitutions...and dont get me started on his inept approach to the CL games ffs !

All I ask is that the cunt LEARNS from past mistakes but he doesnt and hasnt.

You talk like we had actually lost league games this season and like we didn't win league last season and FA Cup season before that.

He has only really fucked up in one area and that is Champion's League, the hardest bit that will take some time to conquer regardless of who is in charge.

For what it's worth, if we sack Mancini now and replace him with someone else the chances are pretty good he will not be able to do what Mancini has done, nevermind improve us.

That's a fair assumption imo.

Pep, just an example, had Mascerano playing cb, and not always because of injuries. Would he try something similar at City ? If so, how many defeats v Everton & Stoke & various lower table teams scoring from set pieces before we learned to perfect it ? He also played 3 at the back sometimes; the very thing we have criticised Bob for. Would he do that again? Would it work ? He dropped Yaya, would he do it again ? What about the squad which Mancini has built; how many would Pep want to keep ? What would he make of Balotelli, Dzeko ?

No guarantee he'd even get close to Mancini's standard in the first few seasons & that goes for any new manager.

[carl_feedthegoat]

So if Pep Guardiola or Mourinho were in danger of the sack, they wouldn't speak to anyone else about a possible back up option, they'd just sit there & hope everything worked out ?

Mourinho has been speaking to City for years.

If he'd become City manager (which would have happened had he been available, we would have dropped Bob like a stone) does anyone think he would have just hapilly stayed with us, come what may, & never spoken to anyone else ? It's 50/50 the fucker would leave us for the rags.

What planet are some of you lot living on ?


Re Pep; I belive Bob's job is in serious danger from him now that Tricky has arrived, but I have absolutely no reason to think that he would be better or more successful than Bob if he took over. It's 50/50 imo. His methods may work straight away or they may fail spectacularly. If they did, the 1st people to call for his head, would be the ones who are now asking for him to get the job.

If we did sack Bob for Guardiola (which we shouldn't but I fear we may if he slips up just slightly) I would advocate giving him & his crew 5 years to get City on track as an English Barca, as it could go horribly wrong initially.

I would put up with that in order to build a future, just as I'll put up with Bob now when he fucks up, for the same reasons. Imo, there would be absolutely no point in bringing Guardiola here as a short term fix. It would have to be a long term, academy related appointment. Mancini has already won the league, Guardiola hasn't, he would need to learn our league, like Mancini did & is still doing. He could easily struggle for a while.

No way would half the people on here give Pep 5 years if he didn't succeed immediately.

Spot on.
On all accounts.

Like you said, if owners and Bequiristain feel that Pep is the way forward, then so be it. I don't think he would necesserily do better than Mancini has but powers-that-be want to see that card then I'm willing to back them. But regardless of who comes in or whether Mancini stays, what we need now is T-I-M-E.

We have already tasted success and won the league faster than I could've ever expected. The biggest mountain of them all will be Champion's League and naturally it will take a while to conquer that as well. But to draw some conclusions on few poor games or even poor run after we have already improved so much in so little time is just ridiculous.

A few poor games is not the reason , Mancini CONTINUES to fuck up with team selection,tactics,and in most cases, substitutions...and dont get me started on his inept approach to the CL games ffs !

All I ask is that the cunt LEARNS from past mistakes but he doesnt and hasnt.

You talk like we had actually lost league games this season and like we didn't win league last season and FA Cup season before that.

He has only really fucked up in one area and that is Champion's League, the hardest bit that will take some time to conquer regardless of who is in charge.

For what it's worth, if we sack Mancini now and replace him with someone else the chances are pretty good he will not be able to do what Mancini has done, nevermind improve us.

On a serious note - noone is mad enough to really want him out now - lets get that straight.

One thing is obvious and you are ignoring the fact , Mancini is making the same mistakes over and over , this is my main gripe with him.
Are you going to remind us he won the prem last year every time this comes up as for me its not a valid reason to keep a manager that is not learning as we go on..and if he is I havent seen it yet.

[mcfc1632]

Just heard on Radio 5 that he lost it a bit at the presser today when asked again about talking to clubs - went on about the journos should have more respect

Quite right - if this had been baconface they would have been fucked off - we need to have more balls with these piss-taking fuckers

[Hazy2]

The Pep cocksucking bollox is vomit inducing at best. He had 4 very successful years at Barca, so what. Martin O'Neil had 4 very successful years at Wycombe/Leicester annd Wenger had 6 or so at Arsenal. Would anyone accept either of these two as a replacement for Mancini? Would they bollox.

funny, Pep is the one though.

Im no Maureen lover but I'd take him anyday over Pep, why? Because he actuaslly has a track record at doing it at different clubs.

I think Pep, if it came to it, would be ok but like Ted says it could end up being a right mess to begin with ...

6points from Ajax was a must for us, Mancini had a plan in Amsterdam it worked for 44 mins, after that it became a mess, that as Carl said is what he is paid to do, Guardiola had very sticky moments with Barca and yes the Trio pulled him out of the shit, he had a world class team, we dont Mancini should have resolved any problems 2 weeks ago but did'nt. If Pep, will come they will get him IMHO. Is it fair not sure.

[Tru_Blu]

So if Pep Guardiola or Mourinho were in danger of the sack, they wouldn't speak to anyone else about a possible back up option, they'd just sit there & hope everything worked out ?

Mourinho has been speaking to City for years.

If he'd become City manager (which would have happened had he been available, we would have dropped Bob like a stone) does anyone think he would have just hapilly stayed with us, come what may, & never spoken to anyone else ? It's 50/50 the fucker would leave us for the rags.

What planet are some of you lot living on ?


Re Pep; I belive Bob's job is in serious danger from him now that Tricky has arrived, but I have absolutely no reason to think that he would be better or more successful than Bob if he took over. It's 50/50 imo. His methods may work straight away or they may fail spectacularly. If they did, the 1st people to call for his head, would be the ones who are now asking for him to get the job.

If we did sack Bob for Guardiola (which we shouldn't but I fear we may if he slips up just slightly) I would advocate giving him & his crew 5 years to get City on track as an English Barca, as it could go horribly wrong initially.

I would put up with that in order to build a future, just as I'll put up with Bob now when he fucks up, for the same reasons. Imo, there would be absolutely no point in bringing Guardiola here as a short term fix. It would have to be a long term, academy related appointment. Mancini has already won the league, Guardiola hasn't, he would need to learn our league, like Mancini did & is still doing. He could easily struggle for a while.

No way would half the people on here give Pep 5 years if he didn't succeed immediately.

Spot on.
On all accounts.

Like you said, if owners and Bequiristain feel that Pep is the way forward, then so be it. I don't think he would necesserily do better than Mancini has but powers-that-be want to see that card then I'm willing to back them. But regardless of who comes in or whether Mancini stays, what we need now is T-I-M-E.

We have already tasted success and won the league faster than I could've ever expected. The biggest mountain of them all will be Champion's League and naturally it will take a while to conquer that as well. But to draw some conclusions on few poor games or even poor run after we have already improved so much in so little time is just ridiculous.

A few poor games is not the reason , Mancini CONTINUES to fuck up with team selection,tactics,and in most cases, substitutions...and dont get me started on his inept approach to the CL games ffs !

All I ask is that the cunt LEARNS from past mistakes but he doesnt and hasnt.

You talk like we had actually lost league games this season and like we didn't win league last season and FA Cup season before that.

He has only really fucked up in one area and that is Champion's League, the hardest bit that will take some time to conquer regardless of who is in charge.

For what it's worth, if we sack Mancini now and replace him with someone else the chances are pretty good he will not be able to do what Mancini has done, nevermind improve us.

On a serious note - noone is mad enough to really want him out now - lets get that straight.

One thing is obvious and you are ignoring the fact , Mancini is making the same mistakes over and over , this is my main gripe with him.
Are you going to remind us he won the prem last year every time this comes up as for me its not a valid reason to keep a manager that is not learning as we go on..and if he is I havent seen it yet.

So what is your valid reason for keeping the manager? because we are still the champions of the league courtesy of management and team.

I think its fine to criticize management for the slow start to the campaign but constructive criticism is all that is needed at the moment. If anyone actually believes this team should play every week, every game like Barcelona has over the last fours years you people are delusional. 2 points from the top of the league and keeping the manager or not is actually the topic of conversation. I'm starting to think winning the league so soon for some of you fans, has blinded your judgement. As for champions league we are in a group that in total has won the trophy 14 times with every team besides us winning it at least once. As its only our second year in this tournament can anyone really justify that we should be dominating the group. Get a grip i swear most of you must have never played the game.

[Hazy2]

It is nothing but Goose and Gander Mancini will understand that. If City did approach PG or already have what is the problem.

[Swales4ever]

Spot on.
On all accounts.

Like you said, if owners and Bequiristain feel that Pep is the way forward, then so be it. I don't think he would necesserily do better than Mancini has but powers-that-be want to see that card then I'm willing to back them. But regardless of who comes in or whether Mancini stays, what we need now is T-I-M-E.

We have already tasted success and won the league faster than I could've ever expected. The biggest mountain of them all will be Champion's League and naturally it will take a while to conquer that as well. But to draw some conclusions on few poor games or even poor run after we have already improved so much in so little time is just ridiculous.

AMAZING STUFF, indeed, ain't it?

shall we ever learn to keep separate our personal sympathies, desires, fantasy managers' assessments from the interest in stability of MCFC???
Ops, I'm very sorry! sometimes I do forget that I am NOT a true Citizen, just a fan of the current (tick tock!) manager! Afterall, I wasn't born a Blue, so how the hell could I ever understand the passion for roller casting the Club?

Funnily enough, those true fans who have spent the last two years stating that they are only interested in debating "the evidence of facts" on competence, qualifications and acheivements of the recently sidelined sporting director - and every one who even dared arguing those qualifications were factually insulting the Onwer and the Chairman, by rising those questions! - are the same true fans which keep stirring the shite orchestrated by the Manchester United's PR, spread by the Manchester United's loving machine, in the desperate attempt to bring MCFC back on the rollercaster! as they have done from the day one when the Club appointed a manager with a solid reputation in refurbishing to greatness former Football Clubs faded into oblivion...

Funnily enough, those true supporters are using the same logic applied to defend an amateur former Arsenal man in order to claim: "why we cannot assume that because the Club have hired two former Barca men, they are not actually chasing for the third?" but hey, oh, it's written on the Guardian and even on the Fail!

In fact, WHILE the same Onwer and the Chairman - who should have assumed insulted by anyone who dared to account the massive failure in keeping a non-sporting director as sporting director at the Club - were renewing for FIVE YEARS the contract of the manager who THEY had selected, chased, appointed and backed to build a winning side from the foundations and starting from the wreck of about 250 million pounds in shape of Robinho, Bridge, Bellamy, Adebayor, Croque, Martin Petrov and singing company, till delivery of two major trophies in the first two complete season, MEANWHILE They were, and obviously still are, chasing for Pep Guardiola!!!
It makes perfect sense: contrary to the mere speculations talked about Brian Marwood and his presumed incompetence, those are plain facts: evedinces are plenty on the quotes reported by the Guardian, the Fail, reports from Talkshite, Sunday Supplement, various BBC amazing stuff and all the other gears of Sir Alex Ferguson's undermining machine.

As You, NQDP, rightly and wisely point out, there will always be more that one right man for every job, so let's sack the present (clueless, bottling, negative, incapable of speeching) incumbent and bring on Pep. Let's just hope that from then on the passion for rollercasting will end and the Club will be then allowed to build on stability!

Wait a minute, though: are You perhaps suggesting that after just half season the very same [strike]moaners[/strike] true, passionate superters will be claiming that - without Messi - Pep it's just a boring slow tempo ticky-tacky, performed with Silva and Nasri instead of Xavi and Iniesta???

No problem,then: there will always be our entertaining rollercaster ready to jump on the Portoguese Clown, who will certainly bring instant success without wasting all the silly money thrown away by the never digested, clueless, negative italian caretaker.
trust me, if I say that Mourinho won't jump on the Owner's ballsack untill he will give 100 million pounds to spend on Tranny, so that there will be no worries of breaching the very effective menace set by the FFPR, as Mancini had forced the Club to do.

and to cut the above, long and misspelled story short, let me paraphrase old good Roddy:

[center]ROLLERCASTERS HAVE MORE FUN![/center]

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[center]AMAZING STUFF, indeed![/center]

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

I wish he had fucked off......I always said Mourinho was miles ahead of him and was the man we should of got.
As it stands now Id swap Mancini for Pep right this minute.

Yep, I'd go with that.
It's amusing watching all the apologists making excuses for Bob, when if other staff had done the same, they'd be getting the "Fuck off you disloyal twat" treatment.
As he tossed the title away at Arsenal in cowardly fashion, he was negotiating a fat contract elsewhere...Hmmm

He didn't toss the title away though, did he?

What the fuck is wrong with you people?

He did toss the title away, fortunately the filth tossed it right back. I believe that all the "it's united's now" was what he actually believed rather than some master stroke of 'mind games'.
I have said it consistently that I want a brave manager who takes the approach that we are better than the opposition and takes the game to them.
At Ajax, I sat in amongst their supporters and they were delighted if they won a tackle or throw in during the early stages of that game. they believed they were taking on one of Europe's elite sides and were expecting a dicking. But Bob once again had set us up negatively and invited them on to us, an opportunity they duly took and gave us a good hiding. It wasn't in fact 'working' for the first forty four minutes, instead the tone was set which ultimately resulted in us getting tatered. Madrid was worse.
If Ajax was a one off, simply a bad day at the office, then fair enough, but it wasn't. It was the latest in a long line of gutless efforts away from home. Liverpool, Arsenal (every time we set foot in The Emirates) Madrid, Lisbon, Kiev, Napoli etc etc.
I watch time and again as teams suddenly realise that we are no great shakes when they were prepared for a pasting. Swansea, Stoke, Everton and most recently West Ham.
He hasn't sorted the problems out, he still sets us up like frightened men and it costs us time and again.
It was only once the title was thrown away that we threw the shackles off and started to play to win and attack teams in the way we know we can and should. Strangely it is this that gives me hope for tonight and possibly the remainder of the CL group stages, only wins will do. God help us if we turn this round and go to Dortmund and a point might suffice.
It's almost like we do ok once we throw away Bob's masterplan, as though the players take it upon themselves to put it right. Wasn't it Vinnie that gave the Churchillian speech at half time at Wembley after a poor opening when Berbaflop should have buried us in the first twenty minutes?
I just want us to be brave and not lose in such spineless fashion. I don't think that will ever change under Mancini.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

I have had the feeling that in 2012 we have been pretty piss poor away from home and that it is unnecessary that our performances have been the way they have. A quick trawl through the results shows that this calendar year, in twenty away matches, we have lost seven and only won eight. It's not catastrophic, but it isn't the form of champions. That is what Mancini must change, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen any time soon.

[Hazy2]

Mancini and our new CEO, will be tested now Roma have accepted De Rossi will be sold. 30 mill my arse he is never ever 30 mill, and sory to harp on if he does join when we had NDJ doing the job.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

I wish he had fucked off......I always said Mourinho was miles ahead of him and was the man we should of got.
As it stands now Id swap Mancini for Pep right this minute.

Yep, I'd go with that.
It's amusing watching all the apologists making excuses for Bob, when if other staff had done the same, they'd be getting the "Fuck off you disloyal twat" treatment.
As he tossed the title away at Arsenal in cowardly fashion, he was negotiating a fat contract elsewhere...Hmmm

He didn't toss the title away though, did he?

What the fuck is wrong with you people?

He did toss the title away, fortunately the filth tossed it right back. I believe that all the "it's united's now" was what he actually believed rather than some master stroke of 'mind games'.
I have said it consistently that I want a brave manager who takes the approach that we are better than the opposition and takes the game to them.
At Ajax, I sat in amongst their supporters and they were delighted if they won a tackle or throw in during the early stages of that game. they believed they were taking on one of Europe's elite sides and were expecting a dicking. But Bob once again had set us up negatively and invited them on to us, an opportunity they duly took and gave us a good hiding. It wasn't in fact 'working' for the first forty four minutes, instead the tone was set which ultimately resulted in us getting tatered. Madrid was worse.
If Ajax was a one off, simply a bad day at the office, then fair enough, but it wasn't. It was the latest in a long line of gutless efforts away from home. Liverpool, Arsenal (every time we set foot in The Emirates) Madrid, Lisbon, Kiev, Napoli etc etc.
I watch time and again as teams suddenly realise that we are no great shakes when they were prepared for a pasting. Swansea, Stoke, Everton and most recently West Ham.
He hasn't sorted the problems out, he still sets us up like frightened men and it costs us time and again.
It was only once the title was thrown away that we threw the shackles off and started to play to win and attack teams in the way we know we can and should. Strangely it is this that gives me hope for tonight and possibly the remainder of the CL group stages, only wins will do. God help us if we turn this round and go to Dortmund and a point might suffice.
It's almost like we do ok once we throw away Bob's masterplan, as though the players take it upon themselves to put it right. Wasn't it Vinnie that gave the Churchillian speech at half time at Wembley after a poor opening when Berbaflop should have buried us in the first twenty minutes?
I just want us to be brave and not lose in such spineless fashion. I don't think that will ever change under Mancini.

Nonsense, we're talking about a manager here that has won a trophy for every year he's been in management. Get a grip!!

His record at this stage of his career surpasses a lot of the so called greats at the same point in their careers. He has his flaws, no doubt, but the way you're talking about him is plain ridiculous.