Chelsea Accuse Mark Clattenburg Of Racism

[Ted Hughes]

I have already posted that for me it is not about the merit of individual decisions - as of course they can be debated and it is in doing so leads you to not recognising this systemic bias for what it is

That said, questions I would pose are;

1/ For the first sending off - would he have sent wio of if the roles reversed??

In my opinion the answer is with very likey yes - albeit with a tear in the eye and trepidation in the heart that he would not be allowed another 'top (= scum for referees) game' for another year. The only other option would have been to book the opposing striker for diving. Hmmmm - I just wonder if the opposition had been wigan, bolton, reading type club?? After all the contact was not totally obvious.......

More importantly.


2/ For the 2nd sending off would he have sent of wooney??

Now - if you have even thought about it, my message to you is GTFO - I would love to inhabit your pink fluffy cloud planet

Not a fucking chance!!!! He would have booked the defender - and perhaps sent him off - of course all IMO

There is little doubt left that Clattercunt is pretty useless but could you please stop this year complaint you keep mentioing about the year thing.
There is a ref called Halsey,some people may have heard of him, after reffing us for 4 losses in the seasin 2008/9 he did not ref us till 11 apr 2011.These things happen he is not the only example

There is a reason Halsey did not ref us for a long time.He was being treated and recovering from cancer.

Ok,bad example but lets take Mariner then.
5 in 2010/11,last being 25/4/2011 then none until 30 Apr 2012

He was kidnapped by aliens.

[Sister of fu]

Clattenburg had a shite day at the office on Sunday which no one can disagree with but for Chelsea to come out and make all these wild accusations stinks of sour grapes and bad sportsmanship to me. I get that they are angry but to start claming the guy is a racist is a joke. Yeah he isn’t a great referee but that doesn’t mean he needs to have his name dragged through the mud and his livelihood put in jeopardy.

I think they (Chelsea) having been dying to play the race card for the past year after the John Terry debacle and Clattenburg has been caught in the middle of all of this. I don’t believe for a second that he would be stupid enough to make such comments especially being micked up. I think this whole saga stinks and again tarnishes English football.

I will stand corrected if he is found guilty but I just cant see it myself.

[pepsi_dave]

I read somewhere that refs wear micrphones but only conversations with other officials are recorded, not every word they utter.

I dont know how true it is, but if they have Mic's in the first place and they choose to not record everything thats said, I want to know why not? Surely if every word uttered is recorded there would be evidence to answer Chelski claims either which way. It would also serve well in identifying players which use foul and abusive language so that they can receive the relevant punishment.

[Alex Sapphire]

I read somewhere that refs wear micrphones but only conversations with other officials are recorded, not every word they utter.

I dont know how true it is, but if they have Mic's in the first place and they choose to not record everything thats said, I want to know why not? Surely if every word uttered is recorded there would be evidence to answer Chelski claims either which way. It would also serve well in identifying players which use foul and abusive language so that they can receive the relevant punishment.

agreed. Miking up and then recording is the future. Because they don't record now, it turns out that the three most important witnesses in this case will be the referees assistants Let's see if they break ranks

edit: maybe they could have "helmet cams" like GMP too

[Ted Hughes]

Clattenburg had a shite day at the office on Sunday which no one can disagree with but for Chelsea to come out and make all these wild accusations stinks of sour grapes and bad sportsmanship to me. I get that they are angry but to start claming the guy is a racist is a joke. Yeah he isn’t a great referee but that doesn’t mean he needs to have his name dragged through the mud and his livelihood put in jeopardy.

I think they (Chelsea) having been dying to play the race card for the past year after the John Terry debacle and Clattenburg has been caught in the middle of all of this. I don’t believe for a second that he would be stupid enough to make such comments especially being micked up. I think this whole saga stinks and again tarnishes English football.

I will stand corrected if he is found guilty but I just cant see it myself.

I can't imagine the racist stuff it being true either but if he has actually come out with some other kind of abuse, maybe mentioning nationality or generally going over the top, then it could still be the end of him. Chelsea are just milking it though as sore losers, that is obvious.

The fact that he blatantly slagged off Craig Bellamy then sent him off incorrectly, proves that he has got such arrogant behaviour in him. Imo, he should have been sacked after that.

If the end result is that wanker not reffing in the Prem, then it's good news of course but if Chelsea have made up racist stuff, it's a disgrace & they should be punished.

[mcfc1632]

Sorry RH - the big difference - and why it does need to be mentioned again and again - lest we forget is that with regard to the rags it is a factual position on 100% of the refs that officiated the games that they lost - and of course twattenbur continued the cycle!!!!

Anyway more to the point - re the 2nd question - had that been wooney do you think that he would have been sent off???

[Rag_hater]

Sorry RH - the big difference - and why it does need to be mentioned again and again - lest we forget is that with regard to the rags it is a factual position on 100% of the refs that officiated the games that they lost - and of course twattenbur continued the cycle!!!!

Anyway more to the point - re the 2nd question - had that been wooney do you think that he would have been sent off???

As to the Shrek issue I think it's the kind of thing Clattercunt revels in and would have no problem giving him his marching orders.Shrek also has a bit of a rep for diving so I don't think he is as untouchable as some think.
And as to refs wanting to be in the frame for reffing the rags.
I don't think thats the case and most of them see reffing matches in the CL or the WC and the stacks of other big tournies as more of a pinnacle than a rag match.

[zuricity]

perhaps it's me but if there was this thing about united getting the refs they want, when they want and a years break between reffing a loss for united. Then i'd be sure as hell prepared to ref them properly, if they lose so what ? I know i've got the cheating gits out of my hair for a long time, by being neutral and honest.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

Perhaps Chelsea are claiming that calling someone a "Cockney bastard" can be classed as the use of racist language.... On another note, I see that it's this group of black lawyers that complained to the police. Funny, as I didn't see any of them on the pitch during the game. But one thing's for sure, whenever a lawyer gets involved in something it's because there's something in it for the lawyer, whatever the consequences for everybody else.

[Beefymcfc]

Group of Black Lawyers, who the hell are they? Sure you don't mean 'Barrack Room Lawyers', it'd be more apt.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

Group of Black Lawyers, who the hell are they? Sure you don't mean 'Barrack Room Lawyers', it'd be more apt.

The same people that were/are sniffing around the Ferdinand issue talking about setting up a black players' union.

[Ted Hughes]

Group of Black Lawyers, who the hell are they? Sure you don't mean 'Barrack Room Lawyers', it'd be more apt.

The same people that were/are sniffing around the Ferdinand issue talking about setting up a black players' union.

Would that mean John Terry could start a white player's Union ?

I'm all for the stance of Jason Roberts, Lescott etc, but there are some right knobheads come out of the woodwork when stuff like this happens. Unfortunately, half of them end up with funding & sometimes government involvement.

[bluechester]

if clattenburg did indeed make a racist remark then chelsea will be left with no option but to make him captain

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Sorry RH - the big difference - and why it does need to be mentioned again and again - lest we forget is that with regard to the rags it is a factual position on 100% of the refs that officiated the games that they lost - and of course twattenbur continued the cycle!!!!

Anyway more to the point - re the 2nd question - had that been wooney do you think that he would have been sent off???

As to the Shrek issue I think it's the kind of thing Clattercunt revels in and would have no problem giving him his marching orders.Shrek also has a bit of a rep for diving so I don't think he is as untouchable as some think.
And as to refs wanting to be in the frame for reffing the rags.
I don't think thats the case and most of them see reffing matches in the CL or the WC and the stacks of other big tournies as more of a pinnacle than a rag match.

The same Shrek that received just one yellow card in domestic competition last season? ONE???!!!

As an aside, did you know that Johnny Evans has yet to commit a single foul this season? Just thought I'd throw it out there.

Back on topic, Clattenburg is a cunt. Guilty? Who knows? but I wouldn't mind seeing the back of the cunt either way.

[Pretty Boy Lee]

The same Shrek that received just one yellow card in domestic competition last season? ONE???!!!

As an aside, did you know that Johnny Evans has yet to commit a single foul this season? Just thought I'd throw it out there.

Back on topic, Clattenburg is a cunt. Guilty? Who knows? but I wouldn't mind seeing the back of the cunt either way.

Bloody shocking stats those. Let's see him defend these two.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

The same Shrek that received just one yellow card in domestic competition last season? ONE???!!!

As an aside, did you know that Johnny Evans has yet to commit a single foul this season? Just thought I'd throw it out there.

Back on topic, Clattenburg is a cunt. Guilty? Who knows? but I wouldn't mind seeing the back of the cunt either way.

Bloody shocking stats those. Let's see him defend these two.

It's funny, but the commentators and experts in the media propounded the 'Rooney's grown up now, only one yellow card last season' bullshit. Truth is, that means the referees aren't doing their jobs. I remember the prick kicking a Newcastle player whilst the player was on the floor, cheating/diving and swearing at the refs (not to mention the 'late' tackles) and only one card. Utter joke that shows how bent the league has become.

[mcfc1632]

Sorry RH - the big difference - and why it does need to be mentioned again and again - lest we forget is that with regard to the rags it is a factual position on 100% of the refs that officiated the games that they lost - and of course twattenbur continued the cycle!!!!

Anyway more to the point - re the 2nd question - had that been wooney do you think that he would have been sent off???

As to the Shrek issue I think it's the kind of thing Clattercunt revels in and would have no problem giving him his marching orders.Shrek also has a bit of a rep for diving so I don't think he is as untouchable as some think.
And as to refs wanting to be in the frame for reffing the rags.
I don't think thats the case and most of them see reffing matches in the CL or the WC and the stacks of other big tournies as more of a pinnacle than a rag match.

FFS!!!! - do you know what - I really try with you - I absolutely try and ignore the 'suspicions' others have about you - after all if people all had the same opinions what use is the forum???

But FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!................. no lets look at this calmly........

1/ You say: "Shrek also has a bit of a rep for diving so I don't think he is as untouchable as some think."

and this guy got booked only once last year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FFS that is off the scale unbelievable for one of the dirtiest cunts in the game - but if, as you say, he has a rep for diving - when was he booked for it? - Does that not somewhat prove the point??? Please do not prevaricate - please just answer what I have asked twice now - had that been wooney (instead of Torres) do you think that he would have been sent off??

2/ You say: “And as to refs wanting to be in the frame for reffing the rags. I don't think thats the case and most of them see reffing matches in the CL or the WC and the stacks of other big tournies as more of a pinnacle than a rag match”

Now either you are a cute fucker and are deliberately missing the point – or you are a thick fucker incapable of seeing it.

In making that sentence I am genuinely filled with embarrassment – I do not say such things in life – certainly not electronically to someone I do not know. But just consider the chain of facts in the ‘real world’

1/ In all walks of life people strive to get to the top of their profession – no different with referees – and especially now with the gravy train opportunities that come with that position

2/Webb was world cup final referee – why? Working backwards,

i) he was a senior referee of a nationality not involved in the final,
ii) he was chosen as a world cup referee because he was ‘accepted’ as the best EPL referee and that is because he is repeatedly chosen to referee the ‘top’ games – you cannot be a top referee in this country unless spoken off well by the FA – the PMGO (led by the uber red biased twat) and key ‘stakeholders’
iii) Given the record of those ‘officiating losses that the scum incur being sent to the ‘salt mines’ then it follows that without the opportunity to managed the ‘top games’ – which has to date meant the scum – then you have fuck all chance in ascending in the referee field.
iv) Therefore it follows that to be considered for ‘big tournies’ you need to be a referee that regularly referees top games in your own country and is well thought of by the PMGO and FA. Well, frankly that can never happen if you are ‘banned’ from reffing a scum match for 12 months – which absence comes about if you were stupid enough not to ‘perform’ in the last scum match that you refereed – you soon crave the need to have the opportunity to ‘perform better’

Sorry – I will choose to believe that you are a blue – but one with some disorder/trait that requires you to always put CITY down and challenge the positions of people that query the scum approach.

[Rag_hater]

Sorry RH - the big difference - and why it does need to be mentioned again and again - lest we forget is that with regard to the rags it is a factual position on 100% of the refs that officiated the games that they lost - and of course twattenbur continued the cycle!!!!

Anyway more to the point - re the 2nd question - had that been wooney do you think that he would have been sent off???

As to the Shrek issue I think it's the kind of thing Clattercunt revels in and would have no problem giving him his marching orders.Shrek also has a bit of a rep for diving so I don't think he is as untouchable as some think.
And as to refs wanting to be in the frame for reffing the rags.
I don't think thats the case and most of them see reffing matches in the CL or the WC and the stacks of other big tournies as more of a pinnacle than a rag match.

FFS!!!! - do you know what - I really try with you - I absolutely try and ignore the 'suspicions' others have about you - after all if people all had the same opinions what use is the forum???

But FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!................. no lets look at this calmly........

1/ You say: "Shrek also has a bit of a rep for diving so I don't think he is as untouchable as some think."

and this guy got booked only once last year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FFS that is off the scale unbelievable for one of the dirtiest cunts in the game - but if, as you say, he has a rep for diving - when was he booked for it? - Does that not somewhat prove the point??? Please do not prevaricate - please just answer what I have asked twice now - had that been wooney (instead of Torres) do you think that he would have been sent off??

2/ You say: “And as to refs wanting to be in the frame for reffing the rags. I don't think thats the case and most of them see reffing matches in the CL or the WC and the stacks of other big tournies as more of a pinnacle than a rag match”

Now either you are a cute fucker and are deliberately missing the point – or you are a thick fucker incapable of seeing it.

In making that sentence I am genuinely filled with embarrassment – I do not say such things in life – certainly not electronically to someone I do not know. But just consider the chain of facts in the ‘real world’

1/ In all walks of life people strive to get to the top of their profession – no different with referees – and especially now with the gravy train opportunities that come with that position

2/Webb was world cup final referee – why? Working backwards,

i) he was a senior referee of a nationality not involved in the final,
ii) he was chosen as a world cup referee because he was ‘accepted’ as the best EPL referee and that is because he is repeatedly chosen to referee the ‘top’ games – you cannot be a top referee in this country unless spoken off well by the FA – the PMGO (led by the uber red biased twat) and key ‘stakeholders’
iii) Given the record of those ‘officiating losses that the scum incur being sent to the ‘salt mines’ then it follows that without the opportunity to managed the ‘top games’ – which has to date meant the scum – then you have fuck all chance in ascending in the referee field.
iv) Therefore it follows that to be considered for ‘big tournies’ you need to be a referee that regularly referees top games in your own country and is well thought of by the PMGO and FA. Well, frankly that can never happen if you are ‘banned’ from reffing a scum match for 12 months – which absence comes about if you were stupid enough not to ‘perform’ in the last scum match that you refereed – you soon crave the need to have the opportunity to ‘perform better’

Sorry – I will choose to believe that you are a blue – but one with some disorder/trait that requires you to always put CITY down and challenge the positions of people that query the scum approach.

What a load of bollox.How come Clattercunt got the olympic final whilst he was banned by that cunt.
Cos your in some dreamland where you think every fucker wants to ref the rags get fuckin real and see there are much bigger games here that will get refs big games.The London derbies,The north east derby,Scouse derby as examples.Every week you will if you get over your inferioity complex the rags game is overshaddowed.

Disagreeing with a knob like you aint putting my Man City down

[Rag_hater]

The same Shrek that received just one yellow card in domestic competition last season? ONE???!!!

As an aside, did you know that Johnny Evans has yet to commit a single foul this season? Just thought I'd throw it out there.

Back on topic, Clattenburg is a cunt. Guilty? Who knows? but I wouldn't mind seeing the back of the cunt either way.

Bloody shocking stats those. Let's see him defend these two.

Don't have to defend anything.However the fact is there were 98 other players who got one yellow card including 5 of our players so if you stop being so paranoid and examine the facts you will see you are being what you usally are.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

The same Shrek that received just one yellow card in domestic competition last season? ONE???!!!

As an aside, did you know that Johnny Evans has yet to commit a single foul this season? Just thought I'd throw it out there.

Back on topic, Clattenburg is a cunt. Guilty? Who knows? but I wouldn't mind seeing the back of the cunt either way.

Bloody shocking stats those. Let's see him defend these two.

Don't have to defend anything.However the fact is there were 98 other players who got one yellow card including 5 of our players so if you stop being so paranoid and examine the facts you will see you are being what you usally are.

Of these 98 other players, are they the type to snarl at a referee when they don't get their way? Are they prone to petulant reactionary fouls like the one we saw Shrek make on Hazard the other day? Fairly similar to the one he made on Silva last January at the Etihad btw. Are any of these 98 prone to simulation?

And last but not least did any of these 98 have a suspended one game international ban hanging over them from UEFA that if found guilty of further misconduct that suspension would be lifted and the ban imposed?