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BIG FOUR? IT'S MORE LIKE THE BIG FLAW (NOTW)

Postby CITYTILLIDIE11 » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:00 pm

BIG FOUR? IT'S MORE LIKE THE BIG FLAW
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HUGHES AND BENITEZ: Top four pretenders


By Chris Bascombe, 21/11/2009
THE Big Four? A new Big Five? An unsubstantial lunchtime at Anfield suggested we're back to the Big Three at English football's top table.


Chelsea, Manchester United and Arsenal will perceive Manchester City and Liverpool as little more than an itch they will have to scratch a couple of times this season.


Don't be confused by the late goal flourish. This was one of the least entertaining thrillers you could see.


At least Rafa Benitez's men can be excused for looking a shadow of the side which pushed United all the way last May.


The mitigating circumstances are piling up for Benitez given the absentee list and injury curse which again reared its head.


If anything, Liverpool deserve credit for hanging on for dear life in their pursuit of fourth.


The sights are being lowered at Anfield, so all consolations will be seized by the under-siege manager.


City, however, leave you feeling baffled as to what their true aspirations are for this season.


In normal circumstances, a point at Liverpool would be worthy of celebration but City's supposed lofty targets left them cursing what might have been.


Mark Hughes' post-match lament referred to the frustration of throwing away a late lead but there was an unavoidable sense that he had missed the point.


In blunt terms, if City couldn't beat this Liverpool side, ravaged by injury and drained by a confidence bypass, their claims to be a club preparing to create a seismic power shift are as hollow as a Thierry Henry apology.


City arrived at Anfield pretenders to Liverpool's top-four status but surely given the money they have spent they should be potential title contenders.


The notion it's too soon for them is a neat trick which ignores their vast outlay.


We're entitled to ask the same questions about their credentials that Benitez's side have had to endure for the last three months.


Sparky's dreams are ambiguous. Are City genuinely hoping to compete with Chelsea and United for the Premier League crown?


Or is sneaking into the top four the peak of their ambition?


If so, they deserve a patronising pat on the back for a draw at Anfield.


Somehow, you just expect more for £200million.


Unlike the recent Chelsea revolution, Hughes obviously has the support to build in stages.


But it's hard to recall Jose Mourinho begging for time when he moved to Stamford Bridge.


What's evident is if City are to reach the heights their owners expect, it's going to take far longer than their benefactors imagined.


They set themselves up for a point here, flooding midfield and only releasing the shackles when they were staring at defeat.


Not so amazingly, they discovered during a frantic last 20 minutes how vulnerable Liverpool were.


Had they been so positive from the outset, they would have won.

Instead, Hughes declared himself satisfied both tactically and in terms of the general performance - despite a general dearth in quality.


He protested vigorously when it was suggested he should have gone for the throat sooner.


The sight of Craig Bellamy wasted on the periphery underlined the neutrals' complaints.


When Carloz Tevez was thrust into the fray, the game opened up sufficiently to suggest City could have overpowered their hosts.


Instead, they only looked dangerous once they had fallen behind to Martin Skrtel's 50th-minute nudge from Steven Gerrard's free-kick. Vulnerabilities in both defences were subsequently exposed.


Liverpool's Achilles heel remains their defending from set-pieces - not unlike City - but they have now conceded even more than Portsmouth from the dead ball.


Emmanuel Adebayor benefited this time, heading in unmarked after bizarre defending from Skrtel.



CHAT: Carragher and Given at the end

It's a lingering concern which has justified the argument Sami Hyypia is being missed as much as Xabi Alonso.


Stephen Ireland neatly tucked home City's second on 76 minutes, only for Yossi Benayoun to take advantage of more static defending 60 seconds later.


Both managers were relieved. But in the circumstances, Benitez had more cause to be content.


It's a measure of how expectations are being carefully stage-managed by the two clubs that the race for fourth was on both their minds. Check those calendars. Yes, it's only November but no one is mentioning titles anymore.


The deluded on The Kop may still harbour Premier League aspirations but the realists will know keeping City in check is rapidly becoming their main ambition.


Benitez's side look a rag-tag impersonation of their former selves, although sympathy has to be offered as it's blatantly obvious why they couldn't excel in this game.


Benitez's injury woes continued when Glen Johnson's calf problem resurfaced before kick-off.


He then lost Daniel Agger early on following a collision of heads with Joleon Lescott. The Dane needed five stitches. Ryan Babel later departed with what appeared a serious condition of failing to wear gloves on a cold day.


Even his replacement, Yossi Benayoun, had to be subbed before the end, tiring following his instant return from a hamstring strain.


Throw in the absence of Fernando Torres and Gerrard nursing his way back for much of the afternoon, and Liverpool's problems mounted.


Contrast with the relative calm of City who were missing only Robinho from their recruitment drive.


If you were looking for symbols, the sight of Liverpool pulling themselves back from the brink through their sheer will was more endearing than any City declaration of a pivotal point.


Given the Merseysiders have now won just once in 10 games, the ability to claim some kind of moral victory is as good as any.


The dry, pointed digs by each manager about the opposition were as entertaining as events on the pitch.


"I don't care about Liverpool's problems, it doesn't interest me," said Hughes when asked if he had met the hosts on a good day.


"After today, I still believe we'll finish fourth," responded Rafa.


The tentative signs are there.


Bad blood is flowing in what is sure to develop as the race for fourth.


City's capture of Gareth Barry at Benitez's expense and their increasingly open courting of Torres represent opening gambits in what may become a bitter rivalry.


The fact that Liverpool may find themselves more preoccupied with City than United isn't necessarily worthy of celebration at Anfield.


With their vast wealth, City would like to portray themselves as Robert Redford in Indecent Proposal.


They think they are able to take their pick from the most glamorous on offer by simply naming a price.


But instead of Kaka and Torres, they have lured Barry and Lescott. Hardly Demi Moore.


If they're not careful, City will end up looking like one of those ugly fat blokes who has won the lottery.


They will sign anyone who flutters their eyelids tantalisingly enough but the class still isn't there.


Yes, this was a good point but the fact remains that the most eye-catching statement from Eastlands to date remains City's bank balance.
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Re: BIG FOUR? IT'S MORE LIKE THE BIG FLAW (NOTW)

Postby Craig B » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:01 pm

Big 3 huh? So Arsenal go and lose to Sunderland! Funny old game! ;-)
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Re: BIG FOUR? IT'S MORE LIKE THE BIG FLAW (NOTW)

Postby CITYTILLIDIE11 » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:10 pm

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Robby looks really unhappy :-)
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Re: BIG FOUR? IT'S MORE LIKE THE BIG FLAW (NOTW)

Postby BlueMoonAwoken » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:35 pm

I really dont get you at all.

WHO THE FUCK SAID OUR AMBITION IS TITLE CONTENDERS???


our ambition was top 6 but with the quality we got in the summer it raised to top 4 by our own players!

What is your game mate ?

Im not going to get annoyed well you do make my skin crawl, and you are annoying me everything you come out with is how you can have a dig at manchester city. Im suprised your allowed to post here at all!
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Re: BIG FOUR? IT'S MORE LIKE THE BIG FLAW (NOTW)

Postby Manx Blue » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:42 pm

BlueMoonAwoken wrote:I really dont get you at all.

WHO THE FUCK SAID OUR AMBITION IS TITLE CONTENDERS???


our ambition was top 6 but with the quality we got in the summer it raised to top 4 by our own players!

What is your game mate ?

Im not going to get annoyed well you do make my skin crawl, and you are annoying me everything you come out with is how you can have a dig at manchester city. Im suprised your allowed to post here at all!


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Re: BIG FOUR? IT'S MORE LIKE THE BIG FLAW (NOTW)

Postby 9secondlegend » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:45 pm

Craig Bardsley wrote:Big 3 huh? So Arsenal go and lose to Sunderland! Funny old game! ;-)

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Re: BIG FOUR? IT'S MORE LIKE THE BIG FLAW (NOTW)

Postby CITYTILLIDIE11 » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:50 pm

BlueMoonAwoken wrote:I really dont get you at all.

WHO THE FUCK SAID OUR AMBITION IS TITLE CONTENDERS???


our ambition was top 6 but with the quality we got in the summer it raised to top 4 by our own players!

What is your game mate ?

Im not going to get annoyed well you do make my skin crawl, and you are annoying me everything you come out with is how you can have a dig at manchester city. Im suprised your allowed to post here at all!
Here we go again another brain dead wanker that can’t read getting aggressive?

Go back to the beginning off the thread read the title very very very ssssssssssllllowly !!!!.

Now what does it say ?

I keep forgetting you probably can’t read properly so it might be difficult.
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Re: BIG FOUR? IT'S MORE LIKE THE BIG FLAW (NOTW)

Postby BlueMoonAwoken » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:53 pm

CITYTILLIDIE11 wrote:
BlueMoonAwoken wrote:I really dont get you at all.

WHO THE FUCK SAID OUR AMBITION IS TITLE CONTENDERS???


our ambition was top 6 but with the quality we got in the summer it raised to top 4 by our own players!

What is your game mate ?

Im not going to get annoyed well you do make my skin crawl, and you are annoying me everything you come out with is how you can have a dig at manchester city. Im suprised your allowed to post here at all!
Here we go again another brain dead wanker that can’t read getting aggressive?

Go back to the beginning off the thread read the title very very very ssssssssssllllowly !!!!.

Now what does it say ?

I keep forgetting you probably can’t read properly so it might be difficult.



Yeah its a negative shitty collumn from the NOTW , but it dont suprise me one bit your posting it?
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Re: BIG FOUR? IT'S MORE LIKE THE BIG FLAW (NOTW)

Postby BlueMoonAwoken » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:59 pm

Im not even going to bother i said a week ago to myself i wont respond to your posts but i find myself doing it today. But i find you as a "fan" repulsive.
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Re: BIG FOUR? IT'S MORE LIKE THE BIG FLAW (NOTW)

Postby CITYTILLIDIE11 » Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:08 pm

BlueMoonAwoken wrote:Im not even going to bother i said a week ago to myself i wont respond to your posts but i find myself doing it today. But i find you as a "fan" repulsive.
Well try taking your own advice and you won’t go wrong.

(And learn to read properly you retard).
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Re: BIG FOUR? IT'S MORE LIKE THE BIG FLAW (NOTW)

Postby BlueMoonAwoken » Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:55 pm

I did read it properly , i get the feeling going on your past history that you agree with the what was said. Hence my reply to you , as anything you have said that i have seen, is negative towards manchester city. And seen as though this is a manchester city fans website suprised im your aloud to post on it.

Im not say people cant be negative but some of the stuff you post and others is just terrible from "fans" of the club.
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Re: BIG FOUR? IT'S MORE LIKE THE BIG FLAW (NOTW)

Postby patrickblue » Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:06 am

Found this bit particularly amusing "In blunt terms, if City couldn't beat this Liverpool side, ravaged by injury and drained by a confidence bypass, their claims to be a club preparing to create a seismic power shift are as hollow as a Thierry Henry apology."

Obviously he's forgotten them stuffing the scum. Twat!
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Postby LookMumImOnMCF.net » Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:18 am

Chelsea, Manchester U***d and Arsenal will perceive Manchester City and Liverpool as little more than an itch

Considering we beat Arsenal and Pool beat United I'd argue we're more than an "itch". This stopped me reading further. That and it's a CITYTILLIDIE11 post.
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Re: BIG FOUR? IT'S MORE LIKE THE BIG FLAW (NOTW)

Postby Mark Garrett » Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:18 am

This journalist, Chris Bascombe used to work for the Liverpool Echo. Unfortunately, however, he seems to have become uneducated since then.

He refers to City as title contenders and their ambition is that. If he did his research the Chairman made public in the summer it was top 6, whether that's changed or not would be done internally and not told to this berk or Richard Keys - who continues to incorrectly state our 'public ambition for this season is top 4.' No it hasn't been Richard.

Furthermore, he said Jose didn't put up with this. I'm sorry but i know Jose did an unbelievable job at Chelsea but he took over a club that had finished in the top 6 for several seasons and had finished 4th and 2nd in the two previous seasons before Jose took over. Before Hughes took over we had finished, 9th, 14th and 15th.

Basically, my point is yes the 4th and possibly 3rd positions are wide open but ultimately for this season if we get top 6 i'm happy and as we haven't finished in top 6 for 17yrs, we should recognise that. This guy, Bascombe is implying we should be in crisis if we don't get top 4 this season, which is completely incorrect
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Re: BIG FOUR? IT'S MORE LIKE THE BIG FLAW (NOTW)

Postby Abu Dhabi » Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:30 am

English Journalism is the worst in the world. FACT.
How are those scumbags getting paid i don't understand.

And Moderators, I blame you for leaving such a WUM on this site.
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Re: BIG FOUR? IT'S MORE LIKE THE BIG FLAW (NOTW)

Postby Socrates » Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:12 am

It may be a miserable excuse for a comic but the basis of the story is pretty much right. There is a clearly defined top three this season and the rest of us are scrambling for that 4th spot. Not particularly bad news for us that though, is it?
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Re: BIG FOUR? IT'S MORE LIKE THE BIG FLAW (NOTW)

Postby john68 » Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:14 am

citytillyoudie11,

These are genuine questions.
Over the season, I have read some very negative press comments about City and some very positive press comments about City. Why is it that you only ever bring the negative stuff to our attention and never the positive stuff?

There have been both positive aspects to this season as well as negative ones,. Why do you never express your satisfaction at any of the positive aspects of this season?

Why, when challenged about your views by some posters, do you find it necessary to become aggressive and insulting towards them instead of merely joining them in rational debate?

I am quite sure you have a point to make but don't you think that your argument would be better served without your resorting to diguise it by insult, abuse and ridicule?
I KNOW THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU THINK I WROTE, BUT I AM NOT SURE YOU REALISE THAT WHAT YOU READ IS NOT WHAT I MEANT
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Postby Dameerto » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:22 am

One day he will actually let slip who he really supports.
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Re: BIG FOUR? IT'S MORE LIKE THE BIG FLAW (NOTW)

Postby Blue Since 76 » Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:55 am

Getting back to the article and away from vitriol at fellow supporters and posters, I actually agree with a lot of it. I imagine a fair bit was written before the game started, but the fact that we looked frightened of a poor Liverpool team, missing their best player and with Gerrard only a threat from free kicks and lucky deflections, we should have comprehensively beaten them. If our record against last season's top 4 was 2 wins and an unlucky defeat so far, I think people would be more worried about us. I'm now more worried that we won't be able to finish above all of Spurs, Villa and Liverpool and therefore 5th may be the best we can get. That may be in the Chairman's stated aims, but I doubt that is what the club really wants or needs - how do we attract better players than we have with only Europey League to interest them?
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Re: BIG FOUR? IT'S MORE LIKE THE BIG FLAW (NOTW)

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:06 pm

It's big TWO this season. Rest of the clubs are so far behind rags and Chelsea it's ridiculous.......and sad. We have playing squad to match them imo but lack the winning experience and to some degree mentality.
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