Today's game

[Socrates]

I'm still Jonny Foreigner, even if I'm not allowed to use that name here, and I think you know well enough that JF does not scuttle. Still, Paul Jewell was a low blow - I admit it.

its an age old argument and not one I am willing to go into again, but I stand by my comment at the time. I think Jewel was doing a fantastic job and was a manager who was above us in the league.... therefore how do you defend Monsieur Le Guen?

At the time we were potless and needed a better option than Pearce. Le Guen had won trophies with sides playing good football. He Still maintain he would have been a better bet than Pearce in spite of what happened at Rangers where he was unsuited by the kick and rush of the Northern Pub League. He's had limited opportunities since but may be back in fashion quite quickly if Cameroon do well in the African Cup Of Nations... What has Jewell won inbetween nervous breakdowns?

[Wonderwall]

I'm still Jonny Foreigner, even if I'm not allowed to use that name here, and I think you know well enough that JF does not scuttle. Still, Paul Jewell was a low blow - I admit it.

its an age old argument and not one I am willing to go into again, but I stand by my comment at the time. I think Jewel was doing a fantastic job and was a manager who was above us in the league.... therefore how do you defend Monsieur Le Guen?

At the time we were potless and needed a better option than Pearce. Le Guen had won trophies with sides playing good football. He Still maintain he would have been a better bet than Pearce in spite of what happened at Rangers where he was unsuited by the kick and rush of the Northern Pub League. He's had limited opportunities since but may be back in fashion quite quickly if Cameroon do well in the African Cup Of Nations... What has Jewell won inbetween nervous breakdowns?

So you admit le guen is shit!

[Socrates]

I'm still Jonny Foreigner, even if I'm not allowed to use that name here, and I think you know well enough that JF does not scuttle. Still, Paul Jewell was a low blow - I admit it.

its an age old argument and not one I am willing to go into again, but I stand by my comment at the time. I think Jewel was doing a fantastic job and was a manager who was above us in the league.... therefore how do you defend Monsieur Le Guen?

At the time we were potless and needed a better option than Pearce. Le Guen had won trophies with sides playing good football. He Still maintain he would have been a better bet than Pearce in spite of what happened at Rangers where he was unsuited by the kick and rush of the Northern Pub League. He's had limited opportunities since but may be back in fashion quite quickly if Cameroon do well in the African Cup Of Nations... What has Jewell won inbetween nervous breakdowns?

So you admit le guen is shit!

No I do not! Just unsuited to Northern Pub League. He has still won 8 trophies as a manager. Which is 8 more than Jewell. Or Pearce. Or someone else I could name but won't come to that :O)

[Wonderwall]

i see, good call. So a well decorated manger cant even cut it in the NPL! Keep it up jon, your doing well.

[Socrates]

i see, good call. So a well decorated manger cant even cut it in the NPL! Keep it up jon, your doing well.

He's a football manager not a shinty manager.

[DoomMerchant]

i hate to be the voice of reason, but two things:

i was a fan of Jewell as well for a minute and even an advocate POST SP considering our other options seemed uninteresting, and not positive. i can't even remember pre-Thaskin who we were courting, but Jewell was someone i thought should be considered. I'm not ashamed of that. Then. Now.

AND Le Guen is actually doing fantastically with Cameroon, no?

Yr both so filled with genius. I am in awe.

cheers

[Pretty Boy Lee]

i hate to be the voice of reason, but two things:

i was a fan of Jewell as well for a minute and even an advocate POST SP considering our other options seemed uninteresting, and not positive. i can't even remember pre-Thaskin who we were courting, but Jewell was someone i thought should be considered. I'm not ashamed of that. Then. Now.

AND Le Guen is actually doing fantastically with Cameroon, no?

Yr both so filled with genius. I am in awe.

cheers

Well now that you've broken up the fight with this sissy peace maker marlarkey you better be prepared to entertain us all another way.

Cheers.

[Slim]

amazing isnt it! Liverpool have lost to aston villa, fulham and sunderland and drawn against birmingham tonight!


I was going to go and post a huge post but I gave up as I now believe its pointless, some posters on this board are just plain stupid and we all know who they are. City are not playing great and we are going through a bad run that we need to sort out, but I dont understand the dickheads on here that post the drivel they do. They are pot noddles!

I was going to post a huge reply, but then I thought how pointless it would be.

Let's leave it at...I prefer to gauge OUR results and OUR performances on what WE do, not based on how other teams are fucking up as well. I know this is a strange concept for you to grasp, but our points total at the end of the season won't be based on how Liverpool drew with Birmingham.

And before that glib "yeah but our league position will be" dismissive post, if we continue to fuck up, and Liverpool continue to fuck up, it will be Tottenham or Everton or Villa whose league position will improve because of it, not ours.

[dazby]

I was going to have a big laugh at you Soccs but then I remembered I wanted Le Guen too. He would have been brill.

[AlpsMaster]

That some of the total arrogant / dismissive bollocks I read on here from supposed CITY fans sounds like the sort of utter shite you read on redcafe or Chelsea forums - no respect / no credit to the opposition - are these real fans? or just the first influx of plastics that we better get used to

I have just had this exact conversation with a very good mate and work colleague who is a Liverpool fan.

We often fail to give some of the other teams the credit they deserve in the Prem and are arrogant and act like spending all this money gives us an automatic right to beat everyone else. Then when these teams all do well against Chelski etc we dismiss their performances as flukes.

I've been a City fan for over 35 years and will be until I die, but I despair sometimes on this forum and feel I have less and less in common with some on here. Is it me?

[Slim]

That some of the total arrogant / dismissive bollocks I read on here from supposed CITY fans sounds like the sort of utter shite you read on redcafe or Chelsea forums - no respect / no credit to the opposition - are these real fans? or just the first influx of plastics that we better get used to

I have just had this exact conversation with a very good mate and work colleague who is a Liverpool fan.

We often fail to give some of the other teams the credit they deserve in the Prem and are arrogant and act like spending all this money gives us an automatic right to beat everyone else. Then when these teams all do well against Chelski etc we dismiss their performances as flukes.

I've been a City fan for over 35 years and will be until I die, but I despair sometimes on this forum and feel I have less and less in common with some on here. Is it me?

No, I think there are two distinct groups on here, ones who bitch about performances and ones who bitch about posters. Which group do you reckon you are in?

[AlpsMaster]

No, I think there are two distinct groups on here, ones who bitch about performances and ones who bitch about posters. Which group do you reckon you are in?

You don't put me in a box that easily Slim!

Sometimes it's both; sometime neither.

[Vhero]

Wow I like how you compare the scouse crisis to us and say we are not doing as bad as people think and use them as an example even though you know fine well they are falling apart because there big "3" are missing. Alonso, Torres and Gerrard. Without them 3 they are screwed they need at least 2 of them playing to destroy an opposition and unfortunately there dumbass manager (mistake of his career?) Sold Alonso so soon as one of the other 2 got injured the bad results piled up. I guess that's the problem relying on 2-3 players rather than a team. We however are a completely different side we rely on the whole squad to pull their weight as do other big teams. You cannot compare us to the red scouse we are a completely different side and our problems are completely different.

[Original Dub]

Wow I like how you compare the scouse crisis to us and say we are not doing as bad as people think and use them as an example even though you know fine well they are falling apart because there big "3" are missing. Alonso, Torres and Gerrard. Without them 3 they are screwed they need at least 2 of them playing to destroy an opposition and unfortunately there dumbass manager (mistake of his career?) Sold Alonso so soon as one of the other 2 got injured the bad results piled up. I guess that's the problem relying on 2-3 players rather than a team. We however are a completely different side we rely on the whole squad to pull their weight as do other big teams. You cannot compare us to the red scouse we are a completely different side and our problems are completely different.

The only reason you can't directly compare the two clubs is because the target for one was 1st, the target for the other was top 6 or top four at a push. We're on target, even after the hiccups so far, its clear as day that they aren't. One club's fans know their in crisis... a minority of the other club's fans are pretending to be...

Also, trying to feel sorry for the scouse because their two star players got injured is more media spin. They have a weak squad because Benitez fucked up in the transfer market. Tough shit. As for their best eleven from last season, only Alonso has been missing for a serious amount of games. That team ran United all the way last season.

We NEEDED to build a big squad because we wanted to mount a challenge asap and wanted to try to catch up with these big clubs. You say We rely on the whole squad to pull their weight like 'other big team', but we are 'completely different' to Liverpool. Liverpool are one of the biggest teams in the world, make no mistake about that.

So the reason their situation is being compared to ours is because they are actually in the shit, so some posters wanted to point out that our season is not half as bad as some are making out.

I posted this last week- just because we've a large squad now, doesn't mean our biggest players being missing doesn't affect us like the other teams who have been finishing in the top four every season, regardless of injuries:

Just trying to calculate how many premier league games the big players (arguably the most important) for the big teams have missed so far this season -

City -
Robinho 9 games
Adebayor 4 games
Toure 2 games
Ireland 3 games TOTAL: 18

U***d -
Rooney 1 game
Ferdinand 6 games
Berbatov 0 games
Van Der Sar 8 games TOTAL: 15

Liverpool -
Gerrard 3 games
Torres 1 game
Kuyt 0 games
Carragher 0 games TOTAL: 4

Chelsea -
Terry 0 games
Essien 1 game
Lampard 0 games
Drogba 0 games TOTAL: 1


Arsenal -
Gallas 0 games
Fabregas 1 game
Arshavin 2 games
Van Persie 0 games TOTAL: 3

Don't believe everything you read in the papers.

[Slim]

If we believed everything we read in the papers, counting Robinho's games is foolish as he isn't returning.

[Original Dub]

If we believed everything we read in the papers, counting Robinho's games is foolish as he isn't returning.

But he hasn't left yet, he's injured.