ATTITUDE

[Socrates]

we have developed an inferiority complex.

Speak for your fucking self!

How would explain it your fucking self?

That YOU (and others) have developed an inferiority complex. I just see an old injustice being righted and feel very righteous about it!

We are speaking about the attitude of City fans as a collective are we not?

I didn't say you were wrong, I just said speak for your fucking self!

[bluebananamilksheikh]

I would imagine that back in 68 most City fans could remember the City side from the 56 final, The Revie plan, Trautman etc.
But for today's fans especially my age group ( I'm 47) even though we won the cup last year we still have grown up with "Typical City".
It's not just 10-12 years without success, it has been a whole generation or 2.
Although we won the cup last year, for me the league is the one that will help convince me that a new era or has begun.
After years of shit and arrogance we have had to suffer from the Rags, I want to savour and enjoy the moment when we officially become the not just the best team in Manchester, but the best team in England.
I am prepared to wait one more week for that.
Is that the wrong attitude?

[Florida Blue]

One word -- multimedia (or is that two words?). In 1968 you did not have 24/7 sports on the air, you did not have instant access to all the newspapers like you do now. You created your own excitement with your mates (albeit with some face-to-face detractors you could debate) and didn't have it beaten down by every rag commenting on each positive story and feel pensive....

I think Carl's points are spot on, and your question is legit, but I think most of us are not afraid of success, we are afraid of an absurd (and somewhat improbable) failure impeding that success. I don't think the anger of Mark Hughes is going to rally his club to play above their heads, but the fear of relegation will. That said, Newcastle had an agenda yesterday, just as important as QPRs.

A vicotry and I think a lot of that mindset will go away. We win, end up in this exact position next season, and the attitute will be different.

My hope for Sunday is a Barton red card (he is fit to play, right) and a goal from SWP (of course that is an own goal).

[john68]

I would imagine that back in 68 most City fans could remember the City side from the 56 final, The Revie plan, Trautman etc.
But for today's fans especially my age group ( I'm 47) even though we won the cup last year we still have grown up with "Typical City".
It's not just 10-12 years without success, it has been a whole generation or 2.
Although we won the cup last year, for me the league is the one that will help convince me that a new era or has begun.
After years of shit and arrogance we have had to suffer from the Rags, I want to savour and enjoy the moment when we officially become the not just the best team in Manchester, but the best team in England.
I am prepared to wait one more week for that.
Is that the wrong attitude?

Most certainly not and I am not inferring any criticism. I accept the reality of how City fans are dealing with it now.

It had been 13 years since our last success, but myself and the vast majority of those who congregated on the KIppax and travelled regularly home and away had little or no knowledge of that success. (I was 6 in 1956). All we had experienced had been relegation battles, relegation, our dreams in tatters and failure. Our only success had been promotion in 66 followed by 15th in 67.

[Ted Hughes]

For me the thought of losing should be something we are not even thinking about.Now is the time to have the attitude that winning it is the only option.
I will deal with a loss or draw if that happens but for now I am not contemplating it
We have to win.End of

You just did.

[lets all have a disco]

Even if we win 10000000000000000 trophies i will never ever go into anything believing its a given we will win or start crowing from the rooftops till its done.

Rags work in those circles i never will ive had too much pain over the years and will treat every trophy with as joy as the last when me and Kinda saw the regard of some Rags a few seasons back when they just won the league will live long in my memory as the way not to act.

So forgive me if i dont celebrate until the league is finished oh and for the record if we do finish it off i will certainly be celebrating large.

[Ted Hughes]

I would imagine that back in 68 most City fans could remember the City side from the 56 final, The Revie plan, Trautman etc.
But for today's fans especially my age group ( I'm 47) even though we won the cup last year we still have grown up with "Typical City".
It's not just 10-12 years without success, it has been a whole generation or 2.
Although we won the cup last year, for me the league is the one that will help convince me that a new era or has begun.
After years of shit and arrogance we have had to suffer from the Rags, I want to savour and enjoy the moment when we officially become the not just the best team in Manchester, but the best team in England.
I am prepared to wait one more week for that.
Is that the wrong attitude?

Most certainly not and I am not inferring any criticism. I accept the reality of how City fans are dealing with it now.

It had been 13 years since our last success, but myself and the vast majority of those who congregated on the KIppax and travelled regularly home and away had little or no knowledge of that success. (I was 6 in 1956). All we had experienced had been relegation battles, relegation, our dreams in tatters and failure. Our only success had been promotion in 66 followed by 15th in 67.

There wasn't wall to wall media coverage of every word in those days. If someone sang '"we're going to win the league" the only people who knew about it were those who were stood nearby. Any fan of any club who gobs off about it now & gets it wrong will have people from Norway to Japan taking the piss out of them.

[Beeks]

Nice sentiment old man..I think that the majority of us 30 somethings are just worried that it will all go tits up like the countless times it has in the 'win fuck all' wilderness

I'm giddy inside but cannot celebrate fuck all until we are 5-0 up against QPR in the 89th minute

[Sister of fu]

Success is winning something...we have won fuckall up to now.

You should take a leaf out of Citys management and playing staff...they are like us..happy but not going overboard.

I just dont get fans like you going mental before the 6th number comes in.

Heres some Mancini advise for you John.

Manchester City boss Roberto Mancini has ordered his players to keep calm and carry on as they close in on the Premier League title. "In one game, it can change. It's in our hands and we are playing at the Etihad Stadium. But it doesn't change anything.

"We need to keep our concentration and our good attitude like we have in the last four or five weeks.

"We can talk after Sunday, not today. It is too early."

Carl,
Sorry mate but that was not thee question I was asking Pal. I understand and respect where you are coming from. As emotional being, we are kindred spirits. You expel your feelings one way and I another but it is still emotion.
I was asking why such a massive difference between City fans then and what we have now. The circumstances are almost identical but the fans attitude and reaction to it are Worlds apart.
I an genuinely not being critical Mate. It has bewildered me all season and I would love to know why.

Maybe it’s the age of social media where it’s easier to have the piss taken out of you and so forth. I think back in the day you could say something and not be quoted on, nowadays people live their lives through the likes of Facebook/Twitter and it certainly can come back and bite you on the arse.

I for one will be having a good trawl of Facebook next Monday if we win the league but until then I will keep my counsel. I kept my counsel after Monday and have done for most of the season and will do until I see big Vinny lifting that trophy. I will be honest and say it hurts me to the core and winds up no end when the rags lord it over us so I try my best not to give them ammunition. At times i could kill as I love City so much and take it far to personally. Next Monday though........it’s open season lads!!!

[BobbyJ1956]

In the 1960s ManU had not established the domination let alone world domination they've had under Ferguson, while City had not had the years of utter bleakness and cock-ups that saw us down in the Third Division and at places like York, Wrexham, and Wycombe. Then again as you rightly guess, John, in the '60s anything was possible, we were younger and dafter and had better music too. And now I recall it, the '60s also saw my old rugby league team, Swinton (not yours, I know, as you chose the red side) come from nowhere with a wonder team that knocked the big boys off the top. And of course back then we hadn't learned that life can knock you sideways, backwards, and shitless from time to time. So you decide not to tempt fate, choose not to be like the arrogant reds with their "20th championship" t-shirts already printed weeks ago. You wait, because on Sunday City's eleven players have to beat a team of another eleven players who all have the same number of arms and legs and feet as City's do. And then at around 4.49 p.m, THEN I will laugh and shout and cry and sing "City, City, the best team in the land in all the world", because then it will be true.

[Trautmann]

When we win I'll shout.

Agree with this. Lots of reasons---don't tempt fate. To celebrate now can only be seen as arrogance by the world, and would motivate QPR to bring us down a peg. They have enough to motivate them already.

Being cautious to celebrate winning the league is one thing---celebrating our victory over Newcastle quite another. Waiting with a mix of joy and anxiety for Sunday.

[john68]

Even if we win 10000000000000000 trophies i will never ever go into anything believing its a given we will win or start crowing from the rooftops till its done.

Rags work in those circles i never will ive had too much pain over the years and will treat every trophy with as joy as the last when me and Kinda saw the regard of some Rags a few seasons back when they just won the league will live long in my memory as the way not to act.

So forgive me if i dont celebrate until the league is finished oh and for the record if we do finish it off i will certainly be celebrating large.

That was part of my point Kiers. I don't think we actually believed we'd win in 68. It wasn't a celebration of what we had won, not arrogant. Nor was it a premature ejaculation of a sucess that had not happened. It was more a celebration of what we could possibly do.
We were City and the World was going to know we were around. It was possibly a celebration of being City.

Very valid point Ted, Ta.

[john68]

When we win I'll shout.

Agree with this. Lots of reasons---don't tempt fate. To celebrate now can only be seen as arrogance by the world, and would motivate QPR to bring us down a peg. They have enough to motivate them already.

Being cautious to celebrate winning the league is one thing---celebrating our victory over Newcastle quite another. Waiting with a mix of joy and anxiety for Sunday.

You are missing the question mate.

[london blue 2]

When we win I'll shout.

Agree with this. Lots of reasons---don't tempt fate. To celebrate now can only be seen as arrogance by the world, and would motivate QPR to bring us down a peg. They have enough to motivate them already.

Being cautious to celebrate winning the league is one thing---celebrating our victory over Newcastle quite another. Waiting with a mix of joy and anxiety for Sunday.

You are missing the question mate.

You asked WHY ARE SO MANY OF YOU SEEMINGLY FRIGHTENED TO SHOUT ABOUT OUR SUCCESS?

We haven't succeeded yet, but once we do we will ALL be shouting.

[getdressedmctavish]

Lol, dont quite remember it like that, but it was a more innocent age. We refused to believe smokin killed you, drove without seat belts so we could get out of the car if we had a crash, and thought a revolution on the streets would bring us happiness.So if we believed Tony Coleman was the best winger in the world, he was. It was a small world, after all,lol

[Rag_hater]

If youre gonna get that winning mentality you have to stop thinking about the possibility of losing.
We are gonna win

[MaineRoadMemories]

Please can someone explain this to me. It is a genuine question that has flummoxed me all season. It has frustrated me, irritated me and on too many occasions angered me. WHY ARE SO MANY OF YOU SEEMINGLY FRIGHTENED TO SHOUT ABOUT OUR SUCCESS?.

Have we won the League Cup. NO
Have we won the FA Cup? NO
Have we won the Champions League? NO
HAVE WE WON THE LEAGUE? NO

What success is there to celebrate at this precise moment in time? Nothing. So wait 6 more days.

As others have correctly pointed out. In the days of social media where your written words can be used against you at the drop of a hat when fortune changes you have to think what you write. It's not the same as what you say at home or down the pub.

People who post on this forum have a responsibility. They are representing Manchester City fans internationally by what they type. Just this morning Henry Winter from the Telegraph responded to one of our Tweets and all the other major journalists visit the site. That is a major difference to 1968.

[john68]

London Blue 2,
You are right Mate, my bad in the way I termed that. The point I was making and the question I am genuinely asking and think I did make it clear, is simply the difference in fans' attitudes between those two season. During '68, the journey over the season was a celebratory one, even though it has its ups and downs.This season, it seems only about the destination.

I am not being judgemental nor critical of your viewpoint, I simply wanted to try and understand the difference in mentality. I am open minded on this and accept and respect where you are coming from.

Regarding success, League Runners up used to be always regarded as a success, rewarded by medals and put up as an honour on a club's honours list. Is that seen not as such now? Is only winning the League seen as an honour or success? Again another genuine question.

[john68]

MRM, I think I may have covered your points in my reply to LB2

[london blue 2]

London Blue 2,
You are right Mate, my bad in the way I termed that. The point I was making and the question I am genuinely asking and think I did make it clear, is simply the difference in fans' attitudes between those two season. During '68, the journey over the season was a celebratory one, even though it has its ups and downs.This season, it seems only about the destination.

I am not being judgemental nor critical of your viewpoint, I simply wanted to try and understand the difference in mentality. I am open minded on this and accept and respect where you are coming from.

Regarding success, League Runners up used to be always regarded as a success, rewarded by medals and put up as an honour on a club's honours list. Is that seen not as such now? Is only winning the League seen as an honour or success? Again another genuine question.

Ok mate understood. I guess it's all about getting that first title out of the way, hard to enjoy it when we're so used to fucking up. But when we finally do it we will be able to look back and say wow, what a journey.