trout man wrote:There is little appreciation given to the complexities of running a highly successful club, the training, the psychology, team spirit, managing a large talented squad and the associated player rotation, understanding completely the players you are playing with, understanding every individual on how to get the best out of them, achieving a winning mentality etc etc etc. Money can only assist success but cannot solve these issues; they have to be worked on over time. MH has flaws, he is inexperienced in aspects of management that will be required for European competition such as squad rotation, he has never experienced (as a manager) a cup final or having to endure sustained pressure leading into the end of a season where we may be competing to be in the top four (we all remember Keegan bottling it 12 points up)...the point I am trying to make, is that you have to believe he CAN do it, there is a first time for everything and I would like to think that there will be a lot of firsts for this City team but we have to expect that mistakes will be made. Some fans want gurantees, they want Mourinho to guarantee us silverware (he like all successful managers had to be baptised in fire and win his first title), they want more money spent on players to guarantee success, the list goes on and the simple fact is there are no guarantees.
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realise this is a new team with a new manager and staff and new owner and it will take time and whether we like it or not, we will have to earn the right to play in the champions league and we have to put out one of four teams that have earned the right religiously over the course of the last ten seasons....they are not going to relinquish it without a fight and I am looking forward to seeing what we are made of but will not be devastated or calling for the managers head if we dont make it this year. Top six and a cup final will do nicely....see what I mean!
Scorchio wrote:trout man wrote:There is little appreciation given to the complexities of running a highly successful club, the training, the psychology, team spirit, managing a large talented squad and the associated player rotation, understanding completely the players you are playing with, understanding every individual on how to get the best out of them, achieving a winning mentality etc etc etc. Money can only assist success but cannot solve these issues; they have to be worked on over time. MH has flaws, he is inexperienced in aspects of management that will be required for European competition such as squad rotation, he has never experienced (as a manager) a cup final or having to endure sustained pressure leading into the end of a season where we may be competing to be in the top four (we all remember Keegan bottling it 12 points up)...the point I am trying to make, is that you have to believe he CAN do it, there is a first time for everything and I would like to think that there will be a lot of firsts for this City team but we have to expect that mistakes will be made. Some fans want gurantees, they want Mourinho to guarantee us silverware (he like all successful managers had to be baptised in fire and win his first title), they want more money spent on players to guarantee success, the list goes on and the simple fact is there are no guarantees.
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realise this is a new team with a new manager and staff and new owner and it will take time and whether we like it or not, we will have to earn the right to play in the champions league and we have to put out one of four teams that have earned the right religiously over the course of the last ten seasons....they are not going to relinquish it without a fight and I am looking forward to seeing what we are made of but will not be devastated or calling for the managers head if we dont make it this year. Top six and a cup final will do nicely....see what I mean!
Some good points. All managers have to go through a right of passage. Some succeed, most dont. Hughes may well take us to the promised land. He will be the messiah. But I dont think he will be here in 18 months time.
The difference is that we are by many estimations the richest club in the world. We dont need to take a chance on him. We can afford to bring in the very best. Someone who is proven, who will have an immediate impact and will make that impact last. Someone who the very top players will want to play for. No top player at present says "I want to work with Mark Hughes, he is a great coach". I find it difficult to believe any ever will. Therefore Hughes needs to passage somewhere else, in all fairness.
Scorchio wrote:
Some good points. All managers have to go through a right of passage. Some succeed, most dont. Hughes may well take us to the promised land. He will be the messiah. But I dont think he will be here in 18 months time.
The difference is that we are by many estimations the richest club in the world. We dont need to take a chance on him. We can afford to bring in the very best. Someone who is proven, who will have an immediate impact and will make that impact last. Someone who the very top players will want to play for. No top player at present says "I want to work with Mark Hughes, he is a great coach". I find it difficult to believe any ever will. Therefore Hughes needs to passage somewhere else, in all fairness.
Socrates wrote:Scorchio wrote:
Some good points. All managers have to go through a right of passage. Some succeed, most dont. Hughes may well take us to the promised land. He will be the messiah. But I dont think he will be here in 18 months time.
The difference is that we are by many estimations the richest club in the world. We dont need to take a chance on him. We can afford to bring in the very best. Someone who is proven, who will have an immediate impact and will make that impact last. Someone who the very top players will want to play for. No top player at present says "I want to work with Mark Hughes, he is a great coach". I find it difficult to believe any ever will. Therefore Hughes needs to passage somewhere else, in all fairness.
Entirely true on many counts except the conclusion. As you say, sticking with Hughes might be a successful decision but while agree entirely that it wasn't the percentage call at the start of the current project, or, for that matter, at the turn of the year the situation has changed now. If we had no immediate time constraints on the project then he wouldn't be the percentage call now either! But with the threat to the project from the Platini fronted cartel we have a time constraint so serious that we cannot afford to be starting again now! Trying to impose a different manager on this set of players would almost certainly be a disaster. In the context of the UEFA situation, we MUST stick with this version of the project and see it through. It is our best chance of beating the cartel to the punch and, therefore, becomes the percentage call now for us to capitalise on the window of opportunity that we have.
Scorchio wrote:trout man wrote:There is little appreciation given to the complexities of running a highly successful club, the training, the psychology, team spirit, managing a large talented squad and the associated player rotation, understanding completely the players you are playing with, understanding every individual on how to get the best out of them, achieving a winning mentality etc etc etc. Money can only assist success but cannot solve these issues; they have to be worked on over time. MH has flaws, he is inexperienced in aspects of management that will be required for European competition such as squad rotation, he has never experienced (as a manager) a cup final or having to endure sustained pressure leading into the end of a season where we may be competing to be in the top four (we all remember Keegan bottling it 12 points up)...the point I am trying to make, is that you have to believe he CAN do it, there is a first time for everything and I would like to think that there will be a lot of firsts for this City team but we have to expect that mistakes will be made. Some fans want gurantees, they want Mourinho to guarantee us silverware (he like all successful managers had to be baptised in fire and win his first title), they want more money spent on players to guarantee success, the list goes on and the simple fact is there are no guarantees.
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realise this is a new team with a new manager and staff and new owner and it will take time and whether we like it or not, we will have to earn the right to play in the champions league and we have to put out one of four teams that have earned the right religiously over the course of the last ten seasons....they are not going to relinquish it without a fight and I am looking forward to seeing what we are made of but will not be devastated or calling for the managers head if we dont make it this year. Top six and a cup final will do nicely....see what I mean!
Some good points. All managers have to go through a right of passage. Some succeed, most dont. Hughes may well take us to the promised land. He will be the messiah. But I dont think he will be here in 18 months time.
The difference is that we are by many estimations the richest club in the world. We dont need to take a chance on him. We can afford to bring in the very best. Someone who is proven, who will have an immediate impact and will make that impact last. Someone who the very top players will want to play for. No top player at present says "I want to work with Mark Hughes, he is a great coach". I find it difficult to believe any ever will. Therefore Hughes needs to passage somewhere else, in all fairness.
Scorchio wrote:
The difference is that we are by many estimations the richest club in the world.
Socrates wrote:Scorchio wrote:
Some good points. All managers have to go through a right of passage. Some succeed, most dont. Hughes may well take us to the promised land. He will be the messiah. But I dont think he will be here in 18 months time.
The difference is that we are by many estimations the richest club in the world. We dont need to take a chance on him. We can afford to bring in the very best. Someone who is proven, who will have an immediate impact and will make that impact last. Someone who the very top players will want to play for. No top player at present says "I want to work with Mark Hughes, he is a great coach". I find it difficult to believe any ever will. Therefore Hughes needs to passage somewhere else, in all fairness.
Entirely true on many counts except the conclusion. As you say, sticking with Hughes might be a successful decision but while agree entirely that it wasn't the percentage call at the start of the current project, or, for that matter, at the turn of the year the situation has changed now. If we had no immediate time constraints on the project then he wouldn't be the percentage call now either! But with the threat to the project from the Platini fronted cartel we have a time constraint so serious that we cannot afford to be starting again now! Trying to impose a different manager on this set of players would almost certainly be a disaster. In the context of the UEFA situation, we MUST stick with this version of the project and see it through. It is our best chance of beating the cartel to the punch and, therefore, becomes the percentage call now for us to capitalise on the window of opportunity that we have.
Socrates wrote:Scorchio wrote:
Some good points. All managers have to go through a right of passage. Some succeed, most dont. Hughes may well take us to the promised land. He will be the messiah. But I dont think he will be here in 18 months time.
The difference is that we are by many estimations the richest club in the world. We dont need to take a chance on him. We can afford to bring in the very best. Someone who is proven, who will have an immediate impact and will make that impact last. Someone who the very top players will want to play for. No top player at present says "I want to work with Mark Hughes, he is a great coach". I find it difficult to believe any ever will. Therefore Hughes needs to passage somewhere else, in all fairness.
Entirely true on many counts except the conclusion. As you say, sticking with Hughes might be a successful decision but while agree entirely that it wasn't the percentage call at the start of the current project, or, for that matter, at the turn of the year the situation has changed now. If we had no immediate time constraints on the project then he wouldn't be the percentage call now either! But with the threat to the project from the Platini fronted cartel we have a time constraint so serious that we cannot afford to be starting again now! Trying to impose a different manager on this set of players would almost certainly be a disaster. In the context of the UEFA situation, we MUST stick with this version of the project and see it through. It is our best chance of beating the cartel to the punch and, therefore, becomes the percentage call now for us to capitalise on the window of opportunity that we have.
Wonderwall wrote:Socrates wrote:Scorchio wrote:
Some good points. All managers have to go through a right of passage. Some succeed, most dont. Hughes may well take us to the promised land. He will be the messiah. But I dont think he will be here in 18 months time.
The difference is that we are by many estimations the richest club in the world. We dont need to take a chance on him. We can afford to bring in the very best. Someone who is proven, who will have an immediate impact and will make that impact last. Someone who the very top players will want to play for. No top player at present says "I want to work with Mark Hughes, he is a great coach". I find it difficult to believe any ever will. Therefore Hughes needs to passage somewhere else, in all fairness.
Entirely true on many counts except the conclusion. As you say, sticking with Hughes might be a successful decision but while agree entirely that it wasn't the percentage call at the start of the current project, or, for that matter, at the turn of the year the situation has changed now. If we had no immediate time constraints on the project then he wouldn't be the percentage call now either! But with the threat to the project from the Platini fronted cartel we have a time constraint so serious that we cannot afford to be starting again now! Trying to impose a different manager on this set of players would almost certainly be a disaster. In the context of the UEFA situation, we MUST stick with this version of the project and see it through. It is our best chance of beating the cartel to the punch and, therefore, becomes the percentage call now for us to capitalise on the window of opportunity that we have.
hmm you picked your quote very well Jon, I happen to think the OP was fantastic and many on here should take note of what was written.
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