4 Points in a possible 12

[Slim]

1 loss in 12, hughes out.

^^^^^^^^^

1 win in 6, Hughes for sainthood.

[The Man In Blue]

you have proved me wrong.

yes, i rather think i have. you stated he has not improved - i showed you he has.
iirc we were in the relegation zone at christmas last year? it is november now and, despite the best efforts of the commercial sector it is not christmas.

simple fact: we are better than at this point last year.

i do not give a fuck how much money we have spent. i can see improvement. we have lost the least amount of games in the prem ffs - we above some of our main rivals this season (spuds, villa, scouse1) and, as much as you would not like to admit it we are above them on merit.

we were always going to have patches of bad form (i must clarify i think the result at villa was a good result) - if people cant see that they are pretty deluded. i am confident we will iron it out.

[Original Dub]

you have proved me wrong.

yes, i rather think i have. you stated he has not improved - i showed you he has.
iirc we were in the relegation zone at christmas last year? it is november now and, despite the best efforts of the commercial sector it is not christmas.

simple fact: we are better than at this point last year.

i do not give a fuck how much money we have spent. i can see improvement. we have lost the least amount of games in the prem ffs - we above some of our main rivals this season (spuds, villa, scouse1) and, as much as you would not like to admit it we are above them on merit.

we were always going to have patches of bad form (i must clarify i think the result at villa was a good result) - if people cant see that they are pretty deluded. i am confident we will iron it out.

Its pointless mate, absolutely pointless. The bitches moan and say they want him gone or at least hint strongly that they do. We then ask why when we're in fourth with a game in hand and we're told to stop saying that because we're there by default and other such crap.

The thing is, this board has some miserable fuckers on here and there's nothing you can do to reason with them. I mean if after a loss (damn rare these days granted), these folk were to talk about where the manager/players went wrong in that game, we could move forward... but its all the "I knew hughes wasn't the right man for the job" and the "My original fears are coming true".

Miserable cunts and no more.

[Slim]

Dub, when are you going to answer me on this? Or are you just conveniently avoiding the issue?

[Original Dub]

Dub, when are you going to answer me on this? Or are you just conveniently avoiding the issue?

sorry mate, what was the question?

I never purposefully avoid a question!

[Slim]

Dub, when are you going to answer me on this? Or are you just conveniently avoiding the issue?

sorry mate, what was the question?

I never purposefully avoid a question!

Last season you said on many occasions that the league position means shit all until all 38 games are played, now you are hammering it home that we are fourth. I had it all written out, but there are so many of these threads today I dunno where it was. So are we judging prematurely because it backs up your point or were you bullshitting last season?

[Original Dub]

Dub, when are you going to answer me on this? Or are you just conveniently avoiding the issue?

sorry mate, what was the question?

I never purposefully avoid a question!

Last season you said on many occasions that the league position means shit all until all 38 games are played, now you are hammering it home that we are fourth. I had it all written out, but there are so many of these threads today I dunno where it was. So are we judging prematurely because it backs up your point or were you bullshitting last season?

Well it seems strange to moan when we're fourth with a game in hand. I'm not happy with some performances, but I think of it more as a blip or run of indifferent form. It certainly looks foolish from here when I see folk talk about a crisis or hinting that Hughes is proving he is a shite manager.

I'm all for waiting until the end of the season to see where we are, of course I am because that's what counts. however, how come those moaning (you included) that we were in the relegation zone aren't now bigging up the fact we're in fourth with a game in hand, because, like you said, its more yourself and others that like to point out our league position as testiment to how our season is, no?

[Grob]

Whilst the last few games havnt exactly covered Mark with glory, some of the players really should be producing a little more than they have been.

Yesterday the midfield and attackers all performed below par. You can carry one or 2 of them being below par, but not all 6.

[Colin the King]

4 points from a possible 12 is unsatisfactory, particularly when you look at the opposition for each game (Villa excepted). But this is what's keeping me optimistic- the level of unpredictability this season is amazing. Liverpool get embarrassed by mid table sides and then spank the rags, Chelsea lose a couple of away matches and are described by the media as weak defensively, lacking backbone etc. and subsequently win 4-0, 5-0, 4-0 and 4-0. Arsenal come to Eastlands and lose 4-2, they're immediately written off- since then they've been absolutely brilliant. Wigan can go from winning at Villa Park and beating Chelsea to getting trounced by Portsmouth.

There's always been an element of that in the Premier League, and particularly with City, where you can go from the sublime to the ridiculous and back again in no amount of time. I wouldn't be surprised if we did something like lost 0-1 to Hull and then beat Chelsea 4-1, or drew with Burnley and then tore Liverpool to shreds at Anfield.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that rather than setting specific targets on individual games, like '3 points against Burnley, 1 point at Anfield, 3 points against Hull', we should allow the season to ebb and flow and take a broader perspective. There'll always be an initial disappointment when we underperform against weaker sides but if we beat supposedly stronger sides doesn't that balance it out?

If we finish 4th in May having drawn at home with Fulham and lost to Hull will it really matter?

[DoomMerchant]

4 points from a possible 12 is unsatisfactory, particularly when you look at the opposition for each game (Villa excepted). But this is what's keeping me optimistic- the level of unpredictability this season is amazing. Liverpool get embarrassed by mid table sides and then spank the rags, Chelsea lose a couple of away matches and are described by the media as weak defensively, lacking backbone etc. and subsequently win 4-0, 5-0, 4-0 and 4-0. Arsenal come to Eastlands and lose 4-2, they're immediately written off- since then they've been absolutely brilliant. Wigan can go from winning at Villa Park and beating Chelsea to getting trounced by Portsmouth.

There's always been an element of that in the Premier League, and particularly with City, where you can go from the sublime to the ridiculous and back again in no amount of time. I wouldn't be surprised if we did something like lost 0-1 to Hull and then beat Chelsea 4-1, or drew with Burnley and then tore Liverpool to shreds at Anfield.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that rather than setting specific targets on individual games, like '3 points against Burnley, 1 point at Anfield, 3 points against Hull', we should allow the season to ebb and flow and take a broader perspective. There'll always be an initial disappointment when we underperform against weaker sides but if we beat supposedly stronger sides doesn't that balance it out?

If we finish 4th in May having drawn at home with Fulham and lost to Hull will it really matter?

only if we finish 4th and are 4 pts back of the team that wins the title.

cheers

[Liahos]

4 points from a possible 12 is unsatisfactory, particularly when you look at the opposition for each game (Villa excepted). But this is what's keeping me optimistic- the level of unpredictability this season is amazing. Liverpool get embarrassed by mid table sides and then spank the rags, Chelsea lose a couple of away matches and are described by the media as weak defensively, lacking backbone etc. and subsequently win 4-0, 5-0, 4-0 and 4-0. Arsenal come to Eastlands and lose 4-2, they're immediately written off- since then they've been absolutely brilliant. Wigan can go from winning at Villa Park and beating Chelsea to getting trounced by Portsmouth.

There's always been an element of that in the Premier League, and particularly with City, where you can go from the sublime to the ridiculous and back again in no amount of time. I wouldn't be surprised if we did something like lost 0-1 to Hull and then beat Chelsea 4-1, or drew with Burnley and then tore Liverpool to shreds at Anfield.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that rather than setting specific targets on individual games, like '3 points against Burnley, 1 point at Anfield, 3 points against Hull', we should allow the season to ebb and flow and take a broader perspective. There'll always be an initial disappointment when we underperform against weaker sides but if we beat supposedly stronger sides doesn't that balance it out?

If we finish 4th in May having drawn at home with Fulham and lost to Hull will it really matter?

At the end of the day (or i should say at the end of the season perhaps), it will basically depend on how we do when we complete all our matches.

Now that you mention that if we finish in the top 4 or place within qualifying for europe, those games will not matter. I completely agree with you on that point.

But to play devil's advocate, those games will eventually matter if we miss getting into europe by being 1 or 2 points behind in the total standings. If that happens, a lot of City fans will just look back at this part of the season and blame our poor form during this stretch as one of the primary reasons for us not getting into europe. I am guessing a majority of ppl on this board will be hounding sparkey after

Let's just hope the sky 4 become as unpredictable during this season.

So what you are saying that we should judge our performance by placing a benchmark of a certain number of points (say we would like City to get 65 points by end of the season), regardless of how we get those points. I doesn't really matter which opposition we got those points, just as long as we reach that set goal. Seems like a fair judgement on evaluating City to me. I think we did have a certain benchmark when Pearce was in charge and we hoped that City reach 40 points (safe from relegation zone). I wouldn't mind bringing the same benchmark and using it instead of hearing everyone on here bitching and moaning after every f'in game.

[Slim]

Dub, when are you going to answer me on this? Or are you just conveniently avoiding the issue?

sorry mate, what was the question?

I never purposefully avoid a question!

Last season you said on many occasions that the league position means shit all until all 38 games are played, now you are hammering it home that we are fourth. I had it all written out, but there are so many of these threads today I dunno where it was. So are we judging prematurely because it backs up your point or were you bullshitting last season?

Well it seems strange to moan when we're fourth with a game in hand. I'm not happy with some performances, but I think of it more as a blip or run of indifferent form. It certainly looks foolish from here when I see folk talk about a crisis or hinting that Hughes is proving he is a shite manager.

I'm all for waiting until the end of the season to see where we are, of course I am because that's what counts. however, how come those moaning (you included) that we were in the relegation zone aren't now bigging up the fact we're in fourth with a game in hand, because, like you said, its more yourself and others that like to point out our league position as testiment to how our season is, no?

Feel free to actually answer the question, spin doctor.

[Original Dub]

Dub, when are you going to answer me on this? Or are you just conveniently avoiding the issue?

sorry mate, what was the question?

I never purposefully avoid a question!

Last season you said on many occasions that the league position means shit all until all 38 games are played, now you are hammering it home that we are fourth. I had it all written out, but there are so many of these threads today I dunno where it was. ?[/tting last quote]

Well it seems strange to moan when we're fourth with a game in hand. I'm not happy with some performances, but I think of it more as a blip or run of indifferent form. It certainly looks foolish from here when I see folk talk about a crisis or hinting that Hughes is proving he is a shite manager.

I'm all for waiting until the end of the season to see where we are, of course I am because that's what counts. however, how come those moaning (you included) that we were in the relegation zone aren't now bigging up the fact we're in fourth with a game in hand, because, like you said, its more yourself and others that like to point out our league position as testiment to how our season is, no?

Feel free to actually answer the question, spin doctor.

Oh sorry, I thought I did answer your question... ok so the question is:

So are we judging prematurely because it backs up my point or was I bullshitting last season?

Neither. We're talking about our current run of form, so it is relevant to point out where we are placed in the league. Last season, because we were somewhat further down the table, folk were saying he would get us relegated. Folk were saying they wanted him gone in Nov because of our league position. These same people are not only saying they are concerned about our current run of form (I am too of course), but there are strong hints they want him gone or at least think he's not doing a good job. If these people deal in looking at current league position last season, why in God's name would I not point it out to them this season, at the same time of the year?

And I will say this - we are fourth with a game in hand. This time last year we were in a much lower position. It was senstaionalised that we would be relegated... if I wanted to use this current position the same way some of you did last season, I'd be saying we're going to win the league and that we need to get Hughes on a longer contract.

But I'm not, I'm more realistic than that. We're in a bad run of form but we're still in the race for fourth. They are the facts. We both know we need to turn it around soon, but we'll have to see if that happens before presuming we need radical change, no?