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Re: wigan v city official match thread

Postby zuricity » Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:37 pm

Lev:

Good point or not. We should be murdering teams like Wigan with the money that has been spent.

A very , very poor display today. Absolutely no excuses from this team. Teves for example, was simply awful in the first half. Barry's passing was piss poor and Wright-phillips was not playing well at all.

At this time in the season there is absolutely no excuse . Crosses played aimlessly into the area, passes not meeting the intended player from midfield.

We should be beating teams like Wigan easily. Especially with the money already invested.

I'm not Ireland's best fan but he should have got a start instead of Barry or De Jong.

Oh btw, why did he bring on RSC ? complete waste of time.
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Re: wigan v city official match thread

Postby mcfc1632 » Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:42 pm

Slim wrote:Can people please tell me how Zabaleta is superior to Richards again? I fucking love hearing that I WAS FUCKING RIGHT...AGAIN.



well where could I start ??

No there is just too much to cover

Lets just say that Zab is better than most Div 1 level players - and if that gets accepted then the rest follows
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Re: wigan v city official match thread

Postby Grob » Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:58 pm

zuricity wrote:Lev:

Good point or not. We should be murdering teams like Wigan with the money that has been spent.

A very , very poor display today. Absolutely no excuses from this team. Teves for example, was simply awful in the first half. Barry's passing was piss poor and Wright-phillips was not playing well at all.

At this time in the season there is absolutely no excuse . Crosses played aimlessly into the area, passes not meeting the intended player from midfield.

We should be beating teams like Wigan easily. Especially with the money already invested.

I'm not Ireland's best fan but he should have got a start instead of Barry or De Jong.

Oh btw, why did he bring on RSC ? complete waste of time.


On paper we should be beating the likes of Wigan but so should Chelsea and shouldnt United win at Burnley. Football isnt played on paper, you cant win em all.

And isnt hindsight a wonderfull thing.
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Re: wigan v city official match thread

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:04 pm

OUR DEFENCE IS A SHAMBLES - LESCOT HAS PROVED TO BE A LIABILITY UP TO NOW,THAT REALLY IRKS ME AS I THOUGHT HE WOULD BE THE MISSING LINK WE NEEDED AT THE BACK....THANKFULLY WE HAVE TOURE BUT EVEN HE CANNOT GELL THAT LOT IN DEFENCE.

NED WILL BE BACK SOON BUT AS IVE SAID BEFORE, HE,S INJURY PRONE AND WE CANNOT RELY ON HIM.

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Re: wigan v city official match thread

Postby irblinx » Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:20 pm

zuricity wrote:Barry's passing was piss poor


It's been like that for a couple of games now, what's going on with him?
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Re: wigan v city official match thread

Postby Beeks » Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:07 am

zuricity wrote:Lev:

Good point or not. We should be murdering teams like Wigan with the money that has been spent.

A very , very poor display today. Absolutely no excuses from this team. Teves for example, was simply awful in the first half. Barry's passing was piss poor and Wright-phillips was not playing well at all.

At this time in the season there is absolutely no excuse . Crosses played aimlessly into the area, passes not meeting the intended player from midfield.

We should be beating teams like Wigan easily. Especially with the money already invested.

I'm not Ireland's best fan but he should have got a start instead of Barry or De Jong.

Oh btw, why did he bring on RSC ? complete waste of time.


Possibly the most flawed logic i've ever seen

So according to you we have a god given right to win because we have flashed the cash?

how fucking naive

If your logic is correct then teams at the top should NEVER lose against anyone outside of the top 5?

Just doesn't work like that...if it did football would be too boring to watch...

The Premiership is getting stronger

More and more teams are finding themselves in a position to be competitive against stronger opposition...that...coupled with the odd bit of luck means that crap teams will always have their day from time to time

One thing is for sure though...Wigan are not crap...Martinez has them playing

As for RSC coming on...you're not the brightest spark are you?

RSC needs game time...he's been out for a long period and you just don't get the level of tempo in the reserves so obviously he needs to be broken in...Tevez was visibly tired so it was a good move...yes he didn't make too much of an impact but that's of no concern at the moment...minutes on the pitch is a step in the right direction
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Re: wigan v city official match thread

Postby john@staustell » Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:42 am

Some of the comments on here are just ridiculous. All some people can do is run down our players still it seems.

We've just got 2 away draws at places where Chelsea have just lost. Furthermore I got the feeling we were going to win until we got down to 10. We have a home game in hand and a decent run of fixtures coming up.

No one will find it easy at Wigan now Martinez has got the hang of it.

So start preparing your attacks on our players now for the Fulham game.
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Re: wigan v city official match thread

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:11 am

john@staustell wrote:Some of the comments on here are just ridiculous. All some people can do is run down our players still it seems.

We've just got 2 away draws at places where Chelsea have just lost. Furthermore I got the feeling we were going to win until we got down to 10. We have a home game in hand and a decent run of fixtures coming up.

No one will find it easy at Wigan now Martinez has got the hang of it.
So start preparing your attacks on our players now for the Fulham game.


Rags found it fairly easy putting five past them.
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Re: wigan v city official match thread

Postby Beeks » Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:18 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
john@staustell wrote:Some of the comments on here are just ridiculous. All some people can do is run down our players still it seems.

We've just got 2 away draws at places where Chelsea have just lost. Furthermore I got the feeling we were going to win until we got down to 10. We have a home game in hand and a decent run of fixtures coming up.

No one will find it easy at Wigan now Martinez has got the hang of it.
So start preparing your attacks on our players now for the Fulham game.


Rags found it fairly easy putting five past them.


Rags have an aura around them that puts teams on the backfoot before a ball has been kicked due to the level of success they have acheived over the years where we are the team that everyone wants to beat at the moment
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Re: wigan v city official match thread

Postby Blue2 » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:24 am

mcfc1632 wrote:

Well - I am def not his biggest fan - and this was perhaps his best game of the season - but that says it it all!!!

He is shit - in all regards -and a team should not have to play with such a liability - all players are trying to make up for his cock-ups and that is totally unfair on them - total and utter disgrace to consider him a prem level player



Sorry, but that it absolute crap, his first 3- 4 games this season were getting back to were he should be and he was pretty good.
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Re: wigan v city official match thread

Postby david yearsley » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:33 am

I thought the same as Zuri before the game, that was until they announced the absence of Toure and Bellers - when I heard the team I had the feeling it would be much tougher. With these two we would have won but unfortunately I don´t have a Tardis to hand atm!
Same again with Zab - wreckless challenge and poss cost us the extra points.
We struggled first 20 then got to grips with them and were movng nicely through the gears when we fucled up right on H.T. again!
With Kolo we wouldn´t have conceded that soft goal . Football is not an exact science though is it, so with a patched up defence shit happens.
I prefer to look at it this way for the time being - had that bent twat Atkinson not cowered to Whisky nose we would be unbeaten after 8 games - not bad eh?
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Re: wigan v city official match thread

Postby dario2739 » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:12 am

First of all i'm really gutted we didn't beat Wigan yesterday, but think there's something we all have to take into consideration now.
Like it or not, because of all our money, the spending and the hype oppostion teams now are seeing us as much of a scalp than that of Rags, Arse, Bindippers or Chelski - consequently opposing teams are raising their game when they play us, it's just something we're gonna have to overcome.
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Re: wigan v city official match thread

Postby colonel_muck » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:35 am

i think you have to be disappointed with yesterday's result. i know you can give several reasons why, but i would rather just look at it as another opportunity missed, i know it doesn't matter that we're not in the top 4 at this stage of the season, but we do need to assert ourselves. The last two prem weekends results of our proposed rivals have opened the door for us and we have failed to capitalise. Aston Villa away is one thing, they are easily a match for us on our day, but Wigan? Come on. If we can't capitalise now, what chance do we have when the games mean all the more from april onwards?
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Re: wigan v city official match thread

Postby mcfc1632 » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:58 am

Blue2 wrote:
mcfc1632 wrote:

Well - I am def not his biggest fan - and this was perhaps his best game of the season - but that says it it all!!!

He is shit - in all regards -and a team should not have to play with such a liability - all players are trying to make up for his cock-ups and that is totally unfair on them - total and utter disgrace to consider him a prem level player



Sorry, but that it absolute crap, his first 3- 4 games this season were getting back to were he should be and he was pretty good.



Well perhaps a bit strong - but he is not getting better and the only reason some games seem to be an improvement are because he less bad than last year - but he is a long long way from a prem level player - being less bad than last year when he was complete rubbish is not credential for being a 1st choice player
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Re: wigan v city official match thread

Postby john@staustell » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:48 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
john@staustell wrote:Some of the comments on here are just ridiculous. All some people can do is run down our players still it seems.

We've just got 2 away draws at places where Chelsea have just lost. Furthermore I got the feeling we were going to win until we got down to 10. We have a home game in hand and a decent run of fixtures coming up.

No one will find it easy at Wigan now Martinez has got the hang of it.
So start preparing your attacks on our players now for the Fulham game.


Rags found it fairly easy putting five past them.


Yes mate. And I think if we'd played them on 22nd August we would've too. They were completely changing formats with Martinez and I wouldn't be surprised if he surprises a few people this year - like Chelsea. Rags got that fixture at the right time, as usual.
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Re: wigan v city official match thread

Postby dazby » Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:20 am

ahh, I finally catch up with this thread.

I actually agree with a lot of what NQDP posted in this. Anyone could see our midfield was not doing the business. I gave him the benefit of the doubt at the time as I thought he may have been injured but why didn't Leslie bring on Ireland earlier???? Swap for Gazbaz. It's been noted by many that Zabba was a red card waiting to happen. Where was the sub??

Leslie was reactive AGAIN in this match. If he's to be top class he needs to be proactive.

Having said that, fair play to Wigan. A good team with some good players and a manager who I like very much. He's one to watch that lad.
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Re: wigan v city official match thread

Postby Original Dub » Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:37 am

Dazby, you mention this 'reactive/proactive' thing quite a lot and I have to say I disagree with you... or at least I don't quite understand what you mean?!!

Take Sunday's game for instance - We went one nil down and Leslie DIDN'T 'react' by changing... and we levelled immediately after the break.

To take every other game into account - managers tend to use subs reactively - whether that is a reaction to the fact they have a lead, they are behind or they are reacting to the feeling that the match is turning one way or the other...

Early changes are generally made when one or two players are playing appallingly or when there is an injury. Other than that, the shape of the game generally determines the changes needed.

I think some of his subs last year were fucking mind boggling, but this season, almost every change he has made has been at the right time and contributed greatly, from Petrov against Arse and United to Ireland against Villa and the subs against Fulham...

So what exactly is 'proactive' in your book? Is it making changes before it looks like they are needed? Because if they look like they are needed surely that is 'reactive' if we can all see it? And if he makes the change before it looks like its needed then he is not proactive, he is fucking psychic IMO?!!
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Re: wigan v city official match thread

Postby ant london » Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:44 am

I agree with that Dub

I also have to ask the question of which change would have been made? Taking SWP back to right back and bringing Kompany on?

Hardly the proactive change a team needs when trying to get three points rather than 1.

We were men down in defence as it was, what we did need was (similarly to in the second leg vs SV Hamburg) is for players who had been booked already to show some intelligence and not needlessly dive in on people.

I wouldn't even expect a manager (or any of the coaches) to have to point the importance of not being reckless to any professional footballer on a yellow already
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Re: wigan v city official match thread

Postby dazby » Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:46 am

A proactive change is one that changes the flow of the game. Making the first move. Wenger did it in our game by bringing Rosicky on after 55 minutes. Within 30 seconds he had a shot at goal. Rosicky was the one that contributed to Arseheads getting back in the match. The sub wasn't made because a player was injured. It was a tactical change.

NQDP talks about us lacking any cutting edge in the middle of the park. Bringing on Ireland for Gazbaz would have delivered that edge. Not because Gazbaz was injured or having a mare, but to change the flow of the match.

That is what a world class manager does. When Leslie does this his jigsaw will be complete. At the moment he only makes changes when players are knackered, injured or as a result of what the opposition have done. He is reactive.
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Re: wigan v city official match thread

Postby Original Dub » Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:10 pm

dazby wrote:A proactive change is one that changes the flow of the game. Making the first move. Wenger did it in our game by bringing Rosicky on after 55 minutes. Within 30 seconds he had a shot at goal. Rosicky was the one that contributed to Arseheads getting back in the match. The sub wasn't made because a player was injured. It was a tactical change.

NQDP talks about us lacking any cutting edge in the middle of the park. Bringing on Ireland for Gazbaz would have delivered that edge. Not because Gazbaz was injured or having a mare, but to change the flow of the match.

That is what a world class manager does. When Leslie does this his jigsaw will be complete. At the moment he only makes changes when players are knackered, injured or as a result of what the opposition have done. He is reactive.


Sorry matey, I'm not buying it AT ALL.

While arsenal had some attacks on our goal towards the end of the first half, they were losing one nil to us and the game was not clearly in their favour. This continued into the sceond half, so Wenger made the change to try to give creation in a different area by bringing on Rosicky for Denilson. This was because they were losing and not gaining enough momentum in the game. REACTIVE.

Arsenal then equalised and largley due to the reactive change Wenger had made. Rosicky assists Van Persie and its one all in the 62nd minute. The game now looks to be swinging in Arsenal's favour, so just over ten minutes later, in the 73rd minute, Hughes REACTS by bringing on Petrov. Ireland looked tired and could even have been injured, but hughes changed the attack by moving Bellamy into a more central position and he scored a minute later. The game then swung in our favour and Wenger REACTED by bringing on Eduardo and Eboue three minutes later, but this time it didn't work out and Ade scored.

The momentum was with City, and of course there was the Ade goal, so there was no need to make a change and a central Bellamy was able to track back in the middle and give the ball for SWP to score our fourth. although Rosicky did score and there was a flurry here and there, by scoring four we had effectively ended their hopes.

Wenger reacted well when city looked in control - Denilson was ineffective. Hughes then reacted well when the game swung in Arsenal's favour - Ireland looked ineffective. Both teams shape changed and troubled the opposition to help swing the game back, but Hughes won on the day.

Wenger was no more 'pro-active' than Hughes was. If something's broke, someone needs to react and it needs to be fixed.

A substitution/formation change will always be a reaction to something.

That's the whole point.
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