Robinho [MERGED]

[ronk]

You couldn't fuckin make this shit up, could you?

Robinho is up there with the very best players in the world. He is the marquee signing we all dreamed of playing at City. Last season he was our top scorer and was not only finding his feet in the Premier League, but also adapting to a new country, facing a rape accusation, dealing with his mates getting sold off, and dealing with getting kicked to fuck in every away game.......all the while being blamed for Citys woeful away form and accused of being lazy. This all in a team that had players of the quality of Vassell, Benjani and Cacaedo. The entire season he also spent with the media on his back the whole time.

This season we have the opportunity to surround him with top quality, gifted grafters and what are people suggesting? That he shouldn't get in the team?

What a load of fuckin bollocks. We should be looking to build the team around Robinhos skill, not having him sat on the bench waiting for a transfer. He is too good a player to have sat on the bench and anyone who thinks otherwise is off their fuckin heads.

Robinho started this revolution and he should be part of it now it's taking hold.

You have to admit mate that he was woeful away from home last season? And it was more than a coincidence that games he did not perform in we usually lost, hence our appalling away form.

He was a Marquee signing last season a star player in a side that was average at best, hence why he stood out like a sore thumb.

This season we have evolved though, we now have a side full of class players; we have won 5 out of 6 in the Premiership, I like our shape and think we look more compact especially on our travels .

Results speak for themselves.

I am not saying there is not a place in the side for him; I am saying he is not the be all and end all, for me Bellamy and Adebayor are the players that really make us tick along with,De Jong in the middle

We had a better record with him in the team, we won 13 games at home, he was a big part of that.

We won 15 games in the prem. He played in 12 of them (and two were before he was signed) and usually had an important role in all those games. He played in 3 of our away draws, usually an important role, again.

Several games were lost after he went off, like Liverpool (but that game was more down to Zabaleta's red, we had been leading) and Everton home where it was nil all.

If he was to blame for our away form then how come we were still better with him in the team. He wasn't as effective away but neither was anyone else. Already this season he's played in the Blackburn and Palace away wins.

Robinho was never designed to be a one man team. He's good at being the star in an excellent team. Passing is so much of what he does. If people want to remember him battling away trying to be an outlet for long balls in away games and not doing an especially good job of it then fine, but what exactly does it tell us about where, if anywhere, he should play.

[MARKMAKAVELI]

Preach Saulman! Great post!!!!

[Rag_hater]

On average by taking the number of years a player has played and the goals they have scored the numbers work out like this:
Robson scores about 14 goals a year,
Tevez scores about 12 goals a year,
Craig scores about 10 goals a year,
Ade scores about 8 goals a year,his time at Arse was a golden era for him,
RSC scores about 7 goals a year.
That says to me that Robson is the best striker in our team along with being the best at a few other things.
Why people would want to get rid of him astounds me.
I cant see the Sheikh being to happy if we sold him cos as good as the other players maybe its Robson that puts us on the map.

[Scatman]

On average by taking the number of years a player has played and the goals they have scored the numbers work out like this:
Robson scores about 14 goals a year,
Tevez scores about 12 goals a year,
Craig scores about 10 goals a year,
Ade scores about 8 goals a year,his time at Arse was a golden era for him,
RSC scores about 7 goals a year.
That says to me that Robson is the best striker in our team along with being the best at a few other things.
Why people would want to get rid of him astounds me.
I cant see the Sheikh being to happy if we sold him cos as good as the other players maybe its Robson that puts us on the map.

Can you tell me where your stats are from? I'm not going to dispute what you say, it's just I've been looking for such a source for a while but with no luck

[john@staustell]

Ah, statistics!

here's another one - Ade scores in 100% of Premier games for City, therefore will obviously get 38 league goals. Simple eh?

[Scatman]

Ah, statistics!

here's another one - Ade scores in 100% of Premier games for City, therefore will obviously get 38 league goals. Simple eh?

No, because he only scores 8 per year.

[Rag_hater]

Ah, statistics!

here's another one - Ade scores in 100% of Premier games for City, therefore will obviously get 38 league goals. Simple eh?

Really hope your right and he does get 38 goals.
As for the other guys question as to where I'm affraid I worked the out myself with info I got from Barclays prem league stat site,ESPN,and that fountain that is Wiki,so if I've made a mistake I'd be happy for it to be pointed out to me.

[Ted Hughes]

Robbie performs regularly, he plays regularly. If he doesn't; he doesn't. Simple enough. Absolutely no way do we 'build a team round him' no no no no no never. That's the absolute opposite to what we should do & what we are doing. It's about City building the strongest team to win trophies, not just to pander to different people by picking their favourite players. Building a team around one player is flawed.

I enjoy watching Robinho more than any current City player but I don't want to sacrifice a top quality player for someone who produces two decent touches per game & keeps giving the ball away at the half way line. I want to see a fully committed Robbie who uses the fantastic talent around him to produce the kind of wonderful football he's capable of. If he does that he'll play most games. He has no excuses for not doing it now, the players around him are fantastic. It's up to him.

[10.Goater_Legend]

You couldn't fuckin make this shit up, could you?

Robinho is up there with the very best players in the world. He is the marquee signing we all dreamed of playing at City. Last season he was our top scorer and was not only finding his feet in the Premier League, but also adapting to a new country, facing a rape accusation, dealing with his mates getting sold off, and dealing with getting kicked to fuck in every away game.......all the while being blamed for Citys woeful away form and accused of being lazy. This all in a team that had players of the quality of Vassell, Benjani and Cacaedo. The entire season he also spent with the media on his back the whole time.

This season we have the opportunity to surround him with top quality, gifted grafters and what are people suggesting? That he shouldn't get in the team?

What a load of fuckin bollocks. We should be looking to build the team around Robinhos skill, not having him sat on the bench waiting for a transfer. He is too good a player to have sat on the bench and anyone who thinks otherwise is off their fuckin heads.

Robinho started this revolution and he should be part of it now it's taking hold.

Amen what a post.

[Scatman]

Ah, statistics!

here's another one - Ade scores in 100% of Premier games for City, therefore will obviously get 38 league goals. Simple eh?

Really hope your right and he does get 38 goals.
As for the other guys question as to where I'm affraid I worked the out myself with info I got from Barclays prem league stat site,ESPN,and that fountain that is Wiki,so if I've made a mistake I'd be happy for it to be pointed out to me.

I never planned to

[MaineRoadMemories]

I've always been a fan of playing the players who have performed best in training that week and who have known advantages playing against the opposition. For example, I'd play Bellamy or Petrov down the left against Spurs this season as Corluka is sooooooo slow and can't deal with pace but would happily deal with Robinho's slower approach to play.

We have options now and it is so good to be able to type that. Not one player should think they should start the game as this breeds complacency and a lack of desire, something which City has suffered from for as long as I've supported the club.

The freshness of our team will be a great advantage this season so we don't have to play Robinho, Ireland and SWP in every game as we have replacements who can win games to.

[Hazy]

For me, Rob is the player who will do that little bit of magic, that brings home the silverware, he is a class above, Kaka, Rob, you do not ever sell type of player. A BIG TIME PLAYER

[ronk]

Ah, statistics!

here's another one - Ade scores in 100% of Premier games for City, therefore will obviously get 38 league goals. Simple eh?

Really hope your right and he does get 38 goals.
As for the other guys question as to where I'm affraid I worked the out myself with info I got from Barclays prem league stat site,ESPN,and that fountain that is Wiki,so if I've made a mistake I'd be happy for it to be pointed out to me.

He's been suspended for 2 prem games and will miss a few more with ACON.

Maybe 30 is more likely.

[Rag_hater]

Ah, statistics!

here's another one - Ade scores in 100% of Premier games for City, therefore will obviously get 38 league goals. Simple eh?

Really hope your right and he does get 38 goals.
As for the other guys question as to where I'm affraid I worked the out myself with info I got from Barclays prem league stat site,ESPN,and that fountain that is Wiki,so if I've made a mistake I'd be happy for it to be pointed out to me.

He's been suspended for 2 prem games and will miss a few more with ACON.

Maybe 30 is more likely.

Are we talking about Ade I think he is on a bender so will be playing on Monday

[mcfc1632]

I have a different slant on this - which actually gives me a a whole lot of hope for the season and seasons to come and that is that what is going on at CITY at the moment is a whole 'new CITY' and a sweeping away of the 'old CITY' culture - totally away.

Now I know these words are often used - but with respect to away form I think that they have real meaning. I am a CITY fan of 40+ years - for years and years I never missed a match home or away - and I can tell you that the understanding of the fans was no matter what a fortress Maine Road was - we always - always expected to lose away - no matter who we were playing.

Now this was not just the fans being negative - it was the result of continuously going away and continuously getting beat - the away fans became a mutual support group - having great crack before - during - and after matches - we had to - there was fucking little to cheer about in the results.

So re Robinho being poor away - well the entire team was - and the year before that - and the decade before that and so on - apart from lower league competition when we occasionally had a promotion march - FACT - we have been shit away from home for 40 fucking years.

This cannot be a coincidence - it has to be some culture issue - a mindset issue that the players have and new players coming in are infected by - "Oh well we were away after all..." Even our great teams of the late 60's were like that - I do not know if they were on the lash at the hotel the night before - but the greats we nowadays moon about could be staggeringly good at Maine Road - and equally bad the next week away.

Now I do not need to check the stats - I made the journeys and got the depression - even the 67/68 season I would bet we won no more that 7 or 8 - certainly not double figures – I remember the next year – starting with Fenarbache – we were total shit – I bet no more than 5 and I bet it was the same the year after (another glory year!!!). Imagine what it was like over the next decade(s) when we not in the glory years with good players.

Now I know that there will be some stato out there that might challenge me – but my assertion is that we have been a complacent club with complacent players and complacent fans (because it became habit) – and every new surge foundered because the new players coming get infected - even when we spent shedloads.

That is why I am optimistic – this time CITY seem to have said a form of “FUCK IT you lot – you had a whole year to exert yourselves and you could not be arsed – wholesale change of mindset needed then!!!!

Rather than get a few great players in that can be dragged down – lets perform an entire transplant of winning mentality – lets have a NEW CITY – from grass roots upwards - starting with top players used to winning in the premiership - not some stars that need to acclimatise etc

People say that Hughes blames things before – the staff he took over – fuck that I am saying it has been a disease for decades – and much as I liked Sven – you do not make fundamental mindset change by some gentle coaxing of the players that it would be really appreciated if….. so he failed

If my assertion is right – we have imported the mindset at such a level that change becomes inevitable – the casuals become the minority and need to change if they want to stay on the gravy train. So:

Elano – sorry, you could be great on your 10mins (not day), but……

And so on.. It is no coincidence that people of that old mindset are very thin on the ground - I see Rob as part of the new cuture personally but we will see

We needed a manager that was willing to break the eggs and we need owners that would provide the support – and if it is to be long term – 10 years plus at least – it needs to be SYSTEMIC - it needs to be done at all levels - from administration - to training facilities - to academy - to transfers - to 1st team - to the way we handle the media and so on – so fuck off Jose for me (that would be 2 years of 1st team focus - media hype (for him) and then a vacuum)

As far as Robinho is concerned – well of course the same applies to him – but IMO – he will thrive and excel – he did in a team of losers before – so lets get excited about the prospects now – if he does not – well there can be little doubt he will be on his way – but I think he will make and create goals for fun if he has some space because other quality players are putting the shift in and he is not spending his time trying to jump 6ft 8in to reach the balls out of defence!!

If I am right we will get used to winning and it will become the norm - maybe if it is successful the fans might get out of there torpor as well - fuck me if after 40+ years of depression I can - then all should be able to

[saulman]

^^^ Well said, that man.

Will people please stop looking for scapegoats. Even when we're actually winning everything.

Robinho can perform better than the players we have in a number of positions for us. We can afford a luxury player to pull a few strings and create some magic right now. If anyone in our squad fits the bill it's Robinho.

[Rag_hater]

I have a different slant on this - which actually gives me a a whole lot of hope for the season and seasons to come and that is that what is going on at CITY at the moment is a whole 'new CITY' and a sweeping away of the 'old CITY' culture - totally away.

Now I know these words are often used - but with respect to away form I think that they have real meaning. I am a CITY fan of 40+ years - for years and years I never missed a match home or away - and I can tell you that the understanding of the fans was no matter what a fortress Maine Road was - we always - always expected to lose away - no matter who we were playing.

Now this was not just the fans being negative - it was the result of continuously going away and continuously getting beat - the away fans became a mutual support group - having great crack before - during - and after matches - we had to - there was fucking little to cheer about in the results.

So re Robinho being poor away - well the entire team was - and the year before that - and the decade before that and so on - apart from lower league competition when we occasionally had a promotion march - FACT - we have been shit away from home for 40 fucking years.

This cannot be a coincidence - it has to be some culture issue - a mindset issue that the players have and new players coming in are infected by - "Oh well we were away after all..." Even our great teams of the late 60's were like that - I do not know if they were on the lash at the hotel the night before - but the greats we nowadays moon about could be staggeringly good at Maine Road - and equally bad the next week away.

Now I do not need to check the stats - I made the journeys and got the depression - even the 67/68 season I would bet we won no more that 7 or 8 - certainly not double figures – I remember the next year – starting with Fenarbache – we were total shit – I bet no more than 5 and I bet it was the same the year after (another glory year!!!). Imagine what it was like over the next decade(s) when we not in the glory years with good players.

Now I know that there will be some stato out there that might challenge me – but my assertion is that we have been a complacent club with complacent players and complacent fans (because it became habit) – and every new surge foundered because the new players coming get infected - even when we spent shedloads.

That is why I am optimistic – this time CITY seem to have said a form of “FUCK IT you lot – you had a whole year to exert yourselves and you could not be arsed – wholesale change of mindset needed then!!!!

Rather than get a few great players in that can be dragged down – lets perform an entire transplant of winning mentality – lets have a NEW CITY – from grass roots upwards - starting with top players used to winning in the premiership - not some stars that need to acclimatise etc

People say that Hughes blames things before – the staff he took over – fuck that I am saying it has been a disease for decades – and much as I liked Sven – you do not make fundamental mindset change by some gentle coaxing of the players that it would be really appreciated if….. so he failed

If my assertion is right – we have imported the mindset at such a level that change becomes inevitable – the casuals become the minority and need to change if they want to stay on the gravy train. So:

Elano – sorry, you could be great on your 10mins (not day), but……

And so on.. It is no coincidence that people of that old mindset are very thin on the ground - I see Rob as part of the new cuture personally but we will see

We needed a manager that was willing to break the eggs and we need owners that would provide the support – and if it is to be long term – 10 years plus at least – it needs to be SYSTEMIC - it needs to be done at all levels - from administration - to training facilities - to academy - to transfers - to 1st team - to the way we handle the media and so on – so fuck off Jose for me (that would be 2 years of 1st team focus - media hype (for him) and then a vacuum)

As far as Robinho is concerned – well of course the same applies to him – but IMO – he will thrive and excel – he did in a team of losers before – so lets get excited about the prospects now – if he does not – well there can be little doubt he will be on his way – but I think he will make and create goals for fun is he has some space because other quality players are putting the shift in and he is not spending his time trying to jump 6ft 8in to reach the balls out of defence!!

If I am right we will get used to winning and it will become the norm - maybe if it is successful the fans might get out of there torpor as well - fuck me if after 40+ years of depression I can - then all should be able to

That was a bit of an essay,nice read though.
I've felt the pain in a similar way and understand what you say about changing the mentality of our club and I more than agree that I think Robson has this winning mentality.
That is why I cant understand why people want to get rid of possibly one of the best players we have ever had because it appears that he is not as dynamic away from Eastlands as he is there.
Thats more than Robsons doing.
And I made a bit of a mistake on Ade figures before so I apologise.
This is what I've been able to find out:
Rob,110 goals since 2002 = 110/7 = 15
Carlos, 101 since 2001 =101/8 = 12
Ade, 99 since 2001 = 99/8 = 12
Craig,133 since 1996 = 133/13 = 10
RSC ,85 since 1998 = 85/11 = 7.
If somebodies got some other figures I have no problem with being corrected.
But from those numbers I cant see why Robson should be dropped.

[Original Dub]

I have a different slant on this - which actually gives me a a whole lot of hope for the season and seasons to come and that is that what is going on at CITY at the moment is a whole 'new CITY' and a sweeping away of the 'old CITY' culture - totally away.

Now I know these words are often used - but with respect to away form I think that they have real meaning. I am a CITY fan of 40+ years - for years and years I never missed a match home or away - and I can tell you that the understanding of the fans was no matter what a fortress Maine Road was - we always - always expected to lose away - no matter who we were playing.

Now this was not just the fans being negative - it was the result of continuously going away and continuously getting beat - the away fans became a mutual support group - having great crack before - during - and after matches - we had to - there was fucking little to cheer about in the results.

So re Robinho being poor away - well the entire team was - and the year before that - and the decade before that and so on - apart from lower league competition when we occasionally had a promotion march - FACT - we have been shit away from home for 40 fucking years.

This cannot be a coincidence - it has to be some culture issue - a mindset issue that the players have and new players coming in are infected by - "Oh well we were away after all..." Even our great teams of the late 60's were like that - I do not know if they were on the lash at the hotel the night before - but the greats we nowadays moon about could be staggeringly good at Maine Road - and equally bad the next week away.

Now I do not need to check the stats - I made the journeys and got the depression - even the 67/68 season I would bet we won no more that 7 or 8 - certainly not double figures – I remember the next year – starting with Fenarbache – we were total shit – I bet no more than 5 and I bet it was the same the year after (another glory year!!!). Imagine what it was like over the next decade(s) when we not in the glory years with good players.

Now I know that there will be some stato out there that might challenge me – but my assertion is that we have been a complacent club with complacent players and complacent fans (because it became habit) – and every new surge foundered because the new players coming get infected - even when we spent shedloads.

That is why I am optimistic – this time CITY seem to have said a form of “FUCK IT you lot – you had a whole year to exert yourselves and you could not be arsed – wholesale change of mindset needed then!!!!

Rather than get a few great players in that can be dragged down – lets perform an entire transplant of winning mentality – lets have a NEW CITY – from grass roots upwards - starting with top players used to winning in the premiership - not some stars that need to acclimatise etc

People say that Hughes blames things before – the staff he took over – fuck that I am saying it has been a disease for decades – and much as I liked Sven – you do not make fundamental mindset change by some gentle coaxing of the players that it would be really appreciated if….. so he failed

If my assertion is right – we have imported the mindset at such a level that change becomes inevitable – the casuals become the minority and need to change if they want to stay on the gravy train. So:

Elano – sorry, you could be great on your 10mins (not day), but……

And so on.. It is no coincidence that people of that old mindset are very thin on the ground - I see Rob as part of the new cuture personally but we will see

We needed a manager that was willing to break the eggs and we need owners that would provide the support – and if it is to be long term – 10 years plus at least – it needs to be SYSTEMIC - it needs to be done at all levels - from administration - to training facilities - to academy - to transfers - to 1st team - to the way we handle the media and so on – so fuck off Jose for me (that would be 2 years of 1st team focus - media hype (for him) and then a vacuum)

As far as Robinho is concerned – well of course the same applies to him – but IMO – he will thrive and excel – he did in a team of losers before – so lets get excited about the prospects now – if he does not – well there can be little doubt he will be on his way – but I think he will make and create goals for fun is he has some space because other quality players are putting the shift in and he is not spending his time trying to jump 6ft 8in to reach the balls out of defence!!

If I am right we will get used to winning and it will become the norm - maybe if it is successful the fans might get out of there torpor as well - fuck me if after 40+ years of depression I can - then all should be able to

That was a bit of an essay,nice read though.
I've felt the pain in a similar way and understand what you say about changing the mentality of our club and I more than agree that I think Robson has this winning mentality.
That is why I cant understand why people want to get rid of possibly one of the best players we have ever had because it appears that he is not as dynamic away from Eastlands as he is there.
Thats more than Robsons doing.
And I made a bit of a mistake on Ade figures before so I apologise.
This is what I've been able to find out:
Rob,110 goals since 2002 = 110/7 = 15
Carlos, 101 since 2001 =101/8 = 12
Ade, 99 since 2001 = 99/8 = 12
Craig,133 since 1996 = 133/13 = 10
RSC ,85 since 1998 = 85/11 = 7.
If somebodies got some other figures I have no problem with being corrected.
But from those numbers I cant see why Robson should be dropped.

Because footballers are not only about how many goals they score.
Did all round team work ever pop into your mind?

Some of your way of thinking is like a 9 year old... and you're probably about 68.

What were you like when you were 9? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Im_Spartacus]

I have a different slant on this - which actually gives me a a whole lot of hope for the season and seasons to come and that is that what is going on at CITY at the moment is a whole 'new CITY' and a sweeping away of the 'old CITY' culture - totally away.

Now I know these words are often used - but with respect to away form I think that they have real meaning. I am a CITY fan of 40+ years - for years and years I never missed a match home or away - and I can tell you that the understanding of the fans was no matter what a fortress Maine Road was - we always - always expected to lose away - no matter who we were playing.

Now this was not just the fans being negative - it was the result of continuously going away and continuously getting beat - the away fans became a mutual support group - having great crack before - during - and after matches - we had to - there was fucking little to cheer about in the results.

So re Robinho being poor away - well the entire team was - and the year before that - and the decade before that and so on - apart from lower league competition when we occasionally had a promotion march - FACT - we have been shit away from home for 40 fucking years.

This cannot be a coincidence - it has to be some culture issue - a mindset issue that the players have and new players coming in are infected by - "Oh well we were away after all..." Even our great teams of the late 60's were like that - I do not know if they were on the lash at the hotel the night before - but the greats we nowadays moon about could be staggeringly good at Maine Road - and equally bad the next week away.

Now I do not need to check the stats - I made the journeys and got the depression - even the 67/68 season I would bet we won no more that 7 or 8 - certainly not double figures – I remember the next year – starting with Fenarbache – we were total shit – I bet no more than 5 and I bet it was the same the year after (another glory year!!!). Imagine what it was like over the next decade(s) when we not in the glory years with good players.

Now I know that there will be some stato out there that might challenge me – but my assertion is that we have been a complacent club with complacent players and complacent fans (because it became habit) – and every new surge foundered because the new players coming get infected - even when we spent shedloads.

That is why I am optimistic – this time CITY seem to have said a form of “FUCK IT you lot – you had a whole year to exert yourselves and you could not be arsed – wholesale change of mindset needed then!!!!

Rather than get a few great players in that can be dragged down – lets perform an entire transplant of winning mentality – lets have a NEW CITY – from grass roots upwards - starting with top players used to winning in the premiership - not some stars that need to acclimatise etc

People say that Hughes blames things before – the staff he took over – fuck that I am saying it has been a disease for decades – and much as I liked Sven – you do not make fundamental mindset change by some gentle coaxing of the players that it would be really appreciated if….. so he failed

If my assertion is right – we have imported the mindset at such a level that change becomes inevitable – the casuals become the minority and need to change if they want to stay on the gravy train. So:

Elano – sorry, you could be great on your 10mins (not day), but……

And so on.. It is no coincidence that people of that old mindset are very thin on the ground - I see Rob as part of the new cuture personally but we will see

We needed a manager that was willing to break the eggs and we need owners that would provide the support – and if it is to be long term – 10 years plus at least – it needs to be SYSTEMIC - it needs to be done at all levels - from administration - to training facilities - to academy - to transfers - to 1st team - to the way we handle the media and so on – so fuck off Jose for me (that would be 2 years of 1st team focus - media hype (for him) and then a vacuum)

As far as Robinho is concerned – well of course the same applies to him – but IMO – he will thrive and excel – he did in a team of losers before – so lets get excited about the prospects now – if he does not – well there can be little doubt he will be on his way – but I think he will make and create goals for fun is he has some space because other quality players are putting the shift in and he is not spending his time trying to jump 6ft 8in to reach the balls out of defence!!

If I am right we will get used to winning and it will become the norm - maybe if it is successful the fans might get out of there torpor as well - fuck me if after 40+ years of depression I can - then all should be able to

That was a bit of an essay,nice read though.
I've felt the pain in a similar way and understand what you say about changing the mentality of our club and I more than agree that I think Robson has this winning mentality.
That is why I cant understand why people want to get rid of possibly one of the best players we have ever had because it appears that he is not as dynamic away from Eastlands as he is there.
Thats more than Robsons doing.
And I made a bit of a mistake on Ade figures before so I apologise.
This is what I've been able to find out:
Rob,110 goals since 2002 = 110/7 = 15
Carlos, 101 since 2001 =101/8 = 12
Ade, 99 since 2001 = 99/8 = 12
Craig,133 since 1996 = 133/13 = 10
RSC ,85 since 1998 = 85/11 = 7.
If somebodies got some other figures I have no problem with being corrected.
But from those numbers I cant see why Robson should be dropped.

Because footballers are not only about how many goals they score.
Did all round team work ever pop into your mind?

Some of your way of thinking is like a 9 year old... and you're probably about 68.

What were you like when you were 9? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I think the figures shown are relevant, and he is posting a fact not an opinion. That was a cheap, unnecessary shot. Carry on your vendetta privately.

Ask arsenal fans about Adebayors contribution, honestly, shocking post, expected better.

[Original Dub]

I have a different slant on this - which actually gives me a a whole lot of hope for the season and seasons to come and that is that what is going on at CITY at the moment is a whole 'new CITY' and a sweeping away of the 'old CITY' culture - totally away.

Now I know these words are often used - but with respect to away form I think that they have real meaning. I am a CITY fan of 40+ years - for years and years I never missed a match home or away - and I can tell you that the understanding of the fans was no matter what a fortress Maine Road was - we always - always expected to lose away - no matter who we were playing.

Now this was not just the fans being negative - it was the result of continuously going away and continuously getting beat - the away fans became a mutual support group - having great crack before - during - and after matches - we had to - there was fucking little to cheer about in the results.

So re Robinho being poor away - well the entire team was - and the year before that - and the decade before that and so on - apart from lower league competition when we occasionally had a promotion march - FACT - we have been shit away from home for 40 fucking years.

This cannot be a coincidence - it has to be some culture issue - a mindset issue that the players have and new players coming in are infected by - "Oh well we were away after all..." Even our great teams of the late 60's were like that - I do not know if they were on the lash at the hotel the night before - but the greats we nowadays moon about could be staggeringly good at Maine Road - and equally bad the next week away.

Now I do not need to check the stats - I made the journeys and got the depression - even the 67/68 season I would bet we won no more that 7 or 8 - certainly not double figures – I remember the next year – starting with Fenarbache – we were total shit – I bet no more than 5 and I bet it was the same the year after (another glory year!!!). Imagine what it was like over the next decade(s) when we not in the glory years with good players.

Now I know that there will be some stato out there that might challenge me – but my assertion is that we have been a complacent club with complacent players and complacent fans (because it became habit) – and every new surge foundered because the new players coming get infected - even when we spent shedloads.

That is why I am optimistic – this time CITY seem to have said a form of “FUCK IT you lot – you had a whole year to exert yourselves and you could not be arsed – wholesale change of mindset needed then!!!!

Rather than get a few great players in that can be dragged down – lets perform an entire transplant of winning mentality – lets have a NEW CITY – from grass roots upwards - starting with top players used to winning in the premiership - not some stars that need to acclimatise etc

People say that Hughes blames things before – the staff he took over – fuck that I am saying it has been a disease for decades – and much as I liked Sven – you do not make fundamental mindset change by some gentle coaxing of the players that it would be really appreciated if….. so he failed

If my assertion is right – we have imported the mindset at such a level that change becomes inevitable – the casuals become the minority and need to change if they want to stay on the gravy train. So:

Elano – sorry, you could be great on your 10mins (not day), but……

And so on.. It is no coincidence that people of that old mindset are very thin on the ground - I see Rob as part of the new cuture personally but we will see

We needed a manager that was willing to break the eggs and we need owners that would provide the support – and if it is to be long term – 10 years plus at least – it needs to be SYSTEMIC - it needs to be done at all levels - from administration - to training facilities - to academy - to transfers - to 1st team - to the way we handle the media and so on – so fuck off Jose for me (that would be 2 years of 1st team focus - media hype (for him) and then a vacuum)

As far as Robinho is concerned – well of course the same applies to him – but IMO – he will thrive and excel – he did in a team of losers before – so lets get excited about the prospects now – if he does not – well there can be little doubt he will be on his way – but I think he will make and create goals for fun is he has some space because other quality players are putting the shift in and he is not spending his time trying to jump 6ft 8in to reach the balls out of defence!!

If I am right we will get used to winning and it will become the norm - maybe if it is successful the fans might get out of there torpor as well - fuck me if after 40+ years of depression I can - then all should be able to

That was a bit of an essay,nice read though.
I've felt the pain in a similar way and understand what you say about changing the mentality of our club and I more than agree that I think Robson has this winning mentality.
That is why I cant understand why people want to get rid of possibly one of the best players we have ever had because it appears that he is not as dynamic away from Eastlands as he is there.
Thats more than Robsons doing.
And I made a bit of a mistake on Ade figures before so I apologise.
This is what I've been able to find out:
Rob,110 goals since 2002 = 110/7 = 15
Carlos, 101 since 2001 =101/8 = 12
Ade, 99 since 2001 = 99/8 = 12
Craig,133 since 1996 = 133/13 = 10
RSC ,85 since 1998 = 85/11 = 7.
If somebodies got some other figures I have no problem with being corrected.
But from those numbers I cant see why Robson should be dropped.

Because footballers are not only about how many goals they score.
Did all round team work ever pop into your mind?

Some of your way of thinking is like a 9 year old... and you're probably about 68.

What were you like when you were 9? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I think the figures shown are relevant, and he is posting a fact not an opinion. That was a cheap, unnecessary shot. Carry on your vendetta privately.

Ask arsenal fans about Adebayors contribution, honestly, shocking post, expected better.

Ask arsenal fans about Adebayor?

Have you fucking lost it? And you expected better from me? I shouldn't bother telling you this but I get a PM everyday from this lonely old fool calling me a fucktard cunt, so if I disagree with something he says on here I'll vent how I feel neccessary.

There's better feuds to voice your opinion on than mine and this knob's, so if you feel disgusted, foe me mate.