Squad Problems Ahead

[Dubaimancityfan]

Its bloody confusing understanding all these rules, let alone which is FA and which one is UEFA but if I understand it correctly , we have the flwg players from whom we can register the required 8 by UEFA:
1 Hart
2 Micah Club trained
3 Barry
4 Milner
5 A. Johnson
6 M. Johnson Club trained
7 Taylor
8 Nedum Club trained
9 Weiss Club trained
10 Boyata Club trained
11 SWP Club trained

We only need to register them. It doesn't mean they have to play, right ?
The only one who I can see realistically leaving is SWP. All the others are young and can be kept. Of course we can also buy some Association trained players like Caroll ! Can't think of anybody else right now.

[ronk]

So basically, if a huge pile of players leave, we might have a small problem that restricts us to having a squad of 23 in the CL.

If we had a squad of 17 players +signings we wouldn't be able to fill out CL 25, instead we'd make 23.

I can see your logic but you have 11 club trained players leaving to create that scenario. What you're really raising is the possibility that Ned, SWP and/or Weiss might be more likely to stay. The other one that jumps out at me is the option that we might re-sign one of the diaspora with ease. Someone like Nicky Weaver or Kasper Schmeichel as 3rd choice keeper would represent a free player for the CL if we had that sort of squad problem.

What jumps out at me is that for all the talk of our youth system, there are not all that many graduates still around at anything approaching a decent level, and we're not on good relations with them.

[johnny crossan]

That's the issue in a nutshell, who do you leave out to play the U21s. After the clearout our replacements will all be expecting Champs League appearances. If I wasn't an intellectual pygmy I would have started with your post!

I've counted now and if i'm not mistaken, adding who stays to who should come we would have 24 senior players; one space free for an U21, and we would only need to leave one senior player out; just leave out a keeper and replace him with Karius from the U21, job done,w e have 25 players with four club trained. ;)

Assuming we fill our 17 non-Association trained places, it looks as though only Michael Johnson & Micah Richards will meet Club trained requirements if SWP, Ned, Weiss, Logan, Vidal, Etuhu etc move on. Now Micah has just come out and said he wants away if he doesn't play ahead of Boateng & Zab and MJ has a serious question mark about his fitness. Worst case scenario is that we have to leave out 4 senior players from the Champs League squad and replace them with U21's like Boyata, Ibrahim and the like. Not acceptable to any of the senior squad I judge. As far as goalkeepers are concerned, with Given also in the departure lounge, to replace Taylor as first reserve with an untried 17 year old is asking for trouble.

[Dubaimancityfan]

This is an interesting exercise. Here is a possible list of 24 players that meet the criteria and are still most likely to be with us next season:
1 Micah Club trained 11 Zabba 21 Kolarov
2 Nedum Club trained 12 Vinnie 22 Jo
3 Weiss Club trained 13 Boateng 23 Big Phil
4 Boyata Club trained 14 NDJ 24 M.Johnson Club trained
5 Barry A Trained 15 Yaya
6 Milner A Trained 16 Tevez
7 A. Johnson A Trained 17 Dzeko
8 Taylor A Trained 18 Silva
9 Hart A Trained 19 Mario
10 Lescott A Trained 20 Kolo

So unless we want to dip in deeply into the Academy players, it seems we have to keep the first 4 and we will still have 4 spots available for any non association players that we might buy now or in the summer break (assuming Jo, Phil and MJ might go).

[LookMumImOnMCF.net]

That's a speculative list, so it's only a speculative problem.

It's like saying what if Jessica Alba was shit in bed.

[Dubaimancityfan]

That's a speculative list, so it's only a speculative problem.

It's like saying what if Jessica Alba was shit in bed.

If you're referring to my list, I don't think we will have a problem as we have a lot of flexibility in our squad.

[9secondlegend]

Please lock this thread it hurts my brain

[LookMumImOnMCF.net]

That's a speculative list, so it's only a speculative problem.

It's like saying what if Jessica Alba was shit in bed.

If you're referring to my list, I don't think we will have a problem as we have a lot of flexibility in our squad.

Was referring to the OP.

[Ted Hughes]

From the UEFA rule book.

Conditions for registration: List A
18.08 No club may have more than 25 players on List A during the season. As a
minimum, eight places are reserved exclusively for “locally trained players”
and no club may have more than four “association-trained players” listed on
these eight places on List A. List A must specify at least eight players who
qualify as being “locally trained”, as well as whether they are “club-trained” or
“association-trained”. The possible combinations that enable clubs to comply
with the List A requirements are set out in Annex VIII.
18.09 A “locally trained player” is either a “club-trained player” or an “associationtrained
player”.
18.10 A “club-trained player” is a player who, between the age of 15 (or the start of
the season during which he turns 15) and 21 (or the end of the season during
which he turns 21), and irrespective of his nationality and age, has been
registered with his current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire
seasons (i.e. a period starting with the first official match of the relevant
national championship and ending with the last official match of that relevant
national championship) or of 36 months.
18.11 An “association-trained player” is a player who, between the age of 15 (or the
start of the season during which the player turns 15) and 21 (or the end of
the season during which the player turns 21), and irrespective of his
nationality and age, has been registered with a club or with other clubs
affiliated to the same national association as that of his current club for a
period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or of 36 months.
18.12 If a club has fewer than eight locally trained players in its squad, then the
maximum number of players on List A is reduced accordingly.

That's exactly right Ted. So the crucial difference is the Premiership specifies 8 association-trained players (i.e. "home-grown") whereas UEFA specifies that of those 8, four must be club trained. Hence our problem - we haven't got them if SWP, Ned, Weiss, Logan etc all go and we have to sacrifice good players and expensive new signings to include U21 makeweights in the Champs League Squad.

How much would we have missed Ned, Weiss, Logan & SWP so far?

We're allowed tewnty one other players before we have to worry about it.

[johnny crossan]

That's exactly right Ted. So the crucial difference is the Premiership specifies 8 association-trained players (i.e. "home-grown") whereas UEFA specifies that of those 8, four must be club trained. Hence our problem - we haven't got them if SWP, Ned, Weiss, Logan etc all go and we have to sacrifice good players and expensive new signings to include U21 makeweights in the Champs League Squad.

How much would we have missed Ned, Weiss, Logan & SWP so far?
We're allowed tewnty one other players before we have to worry about it.

So we go back to my first question and the point of the thread - which senior players do you leave out of the Champs League squad next season when the usual suspects have all moved on?

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[Ted Hughes]

That's exactly right Ted. So the crucial difference is the Premiership specifies 8 association-trained players (i.e. "home-grown") whereas UEFA specifies that of those 8, four must be club trained. Hence our problem - we haven't got them if SWP, Ned, Weiss, Logan etc all go and we have to sacrifice good players and expensive new signings to include U21 makeweights in the Champs League Squad.

How much would we have missed Ned, Weiss, Logan & SWP so far?
We're allowed tewnty one other players before we have to worry about it.

So we go back to my first question and the point of the thread - which senior players do you leave out of the Champs League squad next season when the usual suspects have all moved on?

None.
Forget your fantasy table & look at what we actually have now. We already have a European squad. We'll have less players to squeeze into it next season than we do now + unlimited U21's. We'll be able to sign a couple of players & still not worry about fitting them in.

We went through all this last season. We currently have players in the European squad who we don't need, who are there purely to fill spaces just for the hell of it + people like Bridge & Adebayor who will almost certainly go. We'll still have more 'home grown' players than we need even if we let Ned go, so we can dump 1 or 2 & sign 1 or 2 more players to replace them.

We don't have even the slightest problem any way you look at it.

[Esky]

I hate bullshit lists like that. Sad that people go to the effort and even sadder that people get sucked in. A complete waste of time.

[johnny crossan]

I hate bullshit lists like that. Sad that people go to the effort and even sadder that people get sucked in. A complete waste of time.

whatever

[johnny crossan]

That's exactly right Ted. So the crucial difference is the Premiership specifies 8 association-trained players (i.e. "home-grown") whereas UEFA specifies that of those 8, four must be club trained. Hence our problem - we haven't got them if SWP, Ned, Weiss, Logan etc all go and we have to sacrifice good players and expensive new signings to include U21 makeweights in the Champs League Squad.

How much would we have missed Ned, Weiss, Logan & SWP so far?
We're allowed tewnty one other players before we have to worry about it.

So we go back to my first question and the point of the thread - which senior players do you leave out of the Champs League squad next season when the usual suspects have all moved on?

None.
Forget your fantasy table & look at what we actually have now. We already have a European squad. We'll have less players to squeeze into it next season than we do now + unlimited U21's. We'll be able to sign a couple of players & still not worry about fitting them in.

We went through all this last season. We currently have players in the European squad who we don't need, who are there purely to fill spaces just for the hell of it + people like Bridge & Adebayor who will almost certainly go. We'll still have more 'home grown' players than we need even if we let Ned go, so we can dump 1 or 2 & sign 1 or 2 more players to replace them.

We don't have even the slightest problem any way you look at it.

The quality of your ignorance is improving by the day but you still don't get it do you? Who do you leave out of our 25 man PL squad for the Champs League Squad - because that's what's gonna happen no matter how many feet your head is below the sand!

[Im_Spartacus]

That's exactly right Ted. So the crucial difference is the Premiership specifies 8 association-trained players (i.e. "home-grown") whereas UEFA specifies that of those 8, four must be club trained. Hence our problem - we haven't got them if SWP, Ned, Weiss, Logan etc all go and we have to sacrifice good players and expensive new signings to include U21 makeweights in the Champs League Squad.

How much would we have missed Ned, Weiss, Logan & SWP so far?
We're allowed tewnty one other players before we have to worry about it.

So we go back to my first question and the point of the thread - which senior players do you leave out of the Champs League squad next season when the usual suspects have all moved on?

Balotelli is U21, he doesnt count as he doesnt have to be named in the squad

After that, when you have sold everyone, you have only left us with 16 1st team regulars in the squad, so who is going to have their nose pushed out of joint byhaving a couple of U21 club trained players being NAMED in the squad. It would appear that we actually have room to sign another 5 top class players from anywhere in the world and still not have a problem

I know what point you are trying to make, but as with this season, despite the media perception to the contrary our squad is not bulging with star internationals so nobody will miss out. We would just name Boyata + a n other eg Guidetti.

[Ted Hughes]

That's exactly right Ted. So the crucial difference is the Premiership specifies 8 association-trained players (i.e. "home-grown") whereas UEFA specifies that of those 8, four must be club trained. Hence our problem - we haven't got them if SWP, Ned, Weiss, Logan etc all go and we have to sacrifice good players and expensive new signings to include U21 makeweights in the Champs League Squad.

How much would we have missed Ned, Weiss, Logan & SWP so far?
We're allowed tewnty one other players before we have to worry about it.

So we go back to my first question and the point of the thread - which senior players do you leave out of the Champs League squad next season when the usual suspects have all moved on?

None.
Forget your fantasy table & look at what we actually have now. We already have a European squad. We'll have less players to squeeze into it next season than we do now + unlimited U21's. We'll be able to sign a couple of players & still not worry about fitting them in.

We went through all this last season. We currently have players in the European squad who we don't need, who are there purely to fill spaces just for the hell of it + people like Bridge & Adebayor who will almost certainly go. We'll still have more 'home grown' players than we need even if we let Ned go, so we can dump 1 or 2 & sign 1 or 2 more players to replace them.

We don't have even the slightest problem any way you look at it.

The quality of your ignorance is improving by the day but you still don't get it do you? Who do you leave out of our 25 man PL squad for the Champs League Squad - because that's what's gonna happen no matter how many feet your head is below the sand!

There's no need for the insults but the comment I've made already covers it. There's no problem because some players will be leaving. If you don't understand that then fine, you worry about it, I can't be arsed.

[Beefymcfc]

I've sussed it. Let's choose the same 25 players for both and ensure they meet the set criteria. Simples!

[CitizenYank]

You know every time I get a good buzz going, you guys post something like this and just kill it.

Buzz Killingtons.

[Esky]

I hate bullshit lists like that. Sad that people go to the effort and even sadder that people get sucked in. A complete waste of time.

whatever

Was more the transfer targets part of it I was referring to.

[daveh1962]

That's a speculative list, so it's only a speculative problem.

It's like saying what if Jessica Alba was shit in bed.

She wasnt actually