De Jong

[Wonderwall]

Has anyone stopped to think that one of the all time greatest domestic managers, saw that his team were stifled and decided to change his system to move to ball to the opposite side of where De jong was playing. They played him out of the game and it worked.

NQDP watched the game again, can you advise if this was true?

You mean that Ferguson outwitted Hughes and De Jong was just pawn in this bigger game of chess? I'd say De Jong simply wasn't pulling his weight but which one do you think it is?

you analysed the game, I was asking you to see if it was possible. Being outwitted by taggart is nothing to be ashamed of, he is a twat but a very talented twat.

[Robinho_Is_GOD]

When I heard Andy Gray talking about the added time he was on City's side saying it was not right to add all the goal celebration time on. Maybe if it's more than usual you can add the extra bit but not all of it.

That goal celebration time is bollocks anyway and here's proof. Owen scored and celebrated, as soon as the match restarted the referee immediately blew his whistle (5 seconds later). Owen's celebration lasted way more than 5 seconds.

Come on Edge, surely you know the golden rule by now, once united have scored a goal that will win them the game, the whistle can be blown and not before.

You didn't expect him to let us have the full minute and 14 seconds Owen spent celebrating his goal did you?.

[The Man In Blue]

When I heard Andy Gray talking about the added time he was on City's side saying it was not right to add all the goal celebration time on. Maybe if it's more than usual you can add the extra bit but not all of it.

That goal celebration time is bollocks anyway and here's proof. Owen scored and celebrated, as soon as the match restarted the referee immediately blew his whistle (5 seconds later). Owen's celebration lasted way more than 5 seconds.

Come on Edge, surely you know the golden rule by now, once U***d have scored a goal that will win them the game, the whistle can be blown and not before.

You didn't expect him to let us have the full minute and 14 seconds Owen spent celebrating his goal did you?.

obviously not, as then when bellers got his hat trick by chipping foster from the kick off, he'd have had to add his celebration time as well and probably couldn't be arsed to do the maths.

[Robinho_Is_GOD]

In fairness to De Jong, who I thought was good in the first half and like all the City midfielders AWOL in the 2nd, he is probably left wondering who is actually deployed as the defensive minded midfielder in the side, is it meant to be him or the comic book/super hero?.......lets be frank here, Ireland has spent more time in the defensive third this season than Given.

[Ted Hughes]

Has anyone stopped to think that one of the all time greatest domestic managers, saw that his team were stifled and decided to change his system to move to ball to the opposite side of where De jong was playing. They played him out of the game and it worked.

NQDP watched the game again, can you advise if this was true?

You mean that Ferguson outwitted Hughes and De Jong was just pawn in this bigger game of chess? I'd say De Jong simply wasn't pulling his weight but which one do you think it is?

The rags tried to pass through the middle quite a lot in the 1st half & we were winning every ball so it was in DeJong's zone & he dealt with it excellently. In the 2nd half they went out wide & bombed the ball into the box in the air at every opportunity from every angle. None of Ireland, SWP, Dejong, Bellamy or Tevez are any use to us in the box when that happens & they were getting people like Fletcher into the box so our defenders were unsure who to pick up, especially from set pieces.

Adebayor & RSC would've held the ball up front & also cleared it from set pieces but without them we came under too much pressure as a half-fit Tevez got more & more tired & couldn't keep the ball. Micah was distracted worrying about Toure & Lescott whilst Ireland & SWP were getting skinned by Giggs & Evra & too many balls came into the box. De Jong became largely irrelevant until the 95th minute, when, had he been on the pitch, he would've been stood exactly where Giggs passed the ball through.

That's life. Everything has run for the rags since last weekend. Too simple to just blame it on one or two details or players on the day. Let's see how the rags get on when we're all fit & can put out a balanced side.

[Wonderwall]

Has anyone stopped to think that one of the all time greatest domestic managers, saw that his team were stifled and decided to change his system to move to ball to the opposite side of where De jong was playing. They played him out of the game and it worked.

NQDP watched the game again, can you advise if this was true?

You mean that Ferguson outwitted Hughes and De Jong was just pawn in this bigger game of chess? I'd say De Jong simply wasn't pulling his weight but which one do you think it is?

The rags tried to pass through the middle quite a lot in the 1st half & we were winning every ball so it was in DeJong's zone & he dealt with it excellently. In the 2nd half they went out wide & bombed the ball into the box in the air at every opportunity from every angle. None of Ireland, SWP, Dejong, Bellamy or Tevez are any use to us in the box when that happens & they were getting people like Fletcher into the box so our defenders were unsure who to pick up, especially from set pieces.

Adebayor & RSC would've held the ball up front & also cleared it from set pieces but without them we came under too much pressure as a half-fit Tevez got more & more tired & couldn't keep the ball. Micah was distracted worrying about Toure & Lescott whilst Ireland & SWP were getting skinned by Giggs & Evra & too many balls came into the box. De Jong became largely irrelevant until the 95th minute, when, had he been on the pitch, he would've been stood exactly where Giggs passed the ball through.

That's life. Everything has run for the rags since last weekend. Too simple to just blame it on one or two details or players on the day. Let's see how the rags get on when we're all fit & can put out a balanced side.

Ted, thank you very fucling much for a very good and precise insight. Exactly what I was looking for.

[Nickyboy]

Has anyone stopped to think that one of the all time greatest domestic managers, saw that his team were stifled and decided to change his system to move to ball to the opposite side of where De jong was playing. They played him out of the game and it worked.

NQDP watched the game again, can you advise if this was true?

You mean that Ferguson outwitted Hughes and De Jong was just pawn in this bigger game of chess? I'd say De Jong simply wasn't pulling his weight but which one do you think it is?

The rags tried to pass through the middle quite a lot in the 1st half & we were winning every ball so it was in DeJong's zone & he dealt with it excellently. In the 2nd half they went out wide & bombed the ball into the box in the air at every opportunity from every angle. None of Ireland, SWP, Dejong, Bellamy or Tevez are any use to us in the box when that happens & they were getting people like Fletcher into the box so our defenders were unsure who to pick up, especially from set pieces.

Adebayor & RSC would've held the ball up front & also cleared it from set pieces but without them we came under too much pressure as a half-fit Tevez got more & more tired & couldn't keep the ball. Micah was distracted worrying about Toure & Lescott whilst Ireland & SWP were getting skinned by Giggs & Evra & too many balls came into the box. De Jong became largely irrelevant until the 95th minute, when, had he been on the pitch, he would've been stood exactly where Giggs passed the ball through.

That's life. Everything has run for the rags since last weekend. Too simple to just blame it on one or two details or players on the day. Let's see how the rags get on when we're all fit & can put out a balanced side.

sums it up perfectly - although saying the opposition changing tactics to play someone out of the game won't provoke as much of a reaction as calling them a lazy cunt who can't do their job - its like the late great tony wilson said "When faced with the truth and the legend, print the legend".

[Steve]

When I heard Andy Gray talking about the added time he was on City's side saying it was not right to add all the goal celebration time on. Maybe if it's more than usual you can add the extra bit but not all of it.

That goal celebration time is bollocks anyway and here's proof. Owen scored and celebrated, as soon as the match restarted the referee immediately blew his whistle (5 seconds later). Owen's celebration lasted way more than 5 seconds.

Come on Edge, surely you know the golden rule by now, once U***d have scored a goal that will win them the game, the whistle can be blown and not before.

You didn't expect him to let us have the full minute and 14 seconds Owen spent celebrating his goal did you?.

Christ, didn't realise I had my head in the oven for that long. I'm glad i'm still here.

[mcfc1632]

I must admit that De Jong hasn't greatly impressed me this season but in the first-half of the derby he was the best player on the pitch IMO. He was immense. In the second-half, U***d changed tactics and they overran us all over the park.

That wasn't the fault of any City player, or the management, it was simply that they have been together much longer. They are so much more fluid and can react to different threats effectively. That's one of the advantages fo a settled team. Hopefully we will start reaping those rewards in the near future. They also have a stronger mentality than we do. After all, tehy have played together in big matches, tight games and high-pressure matches. Regardless of what we think of them they can cope with pretty much everything that is thrown at them from better teams than us. They are one of the best teams in Europe for a reason. However, one day, we will be there and we will knock them off their perch.

I'd take that explanation IF we had "struggled a bit" but they had 78% posession to our 22% in second half. Even likes of Stoke don't rack up that sort of percentage in old scumford.

Let's face it, they took our midfield on the ride like Bobby Charlton does to some schoolboys and the man who was supposed to keep our midfield together, Nigel De Jong, couldn't do his shit.

Agree, De Jong was a disgrace in the second half.

So NQDP and Edge agree that De Jong was shit.

Well that's that then!

You two should have an NQDP and Edge sticky...

A wonderful colourful place where the strawberries taste like strawberries and the only way you can stop floating is to belch as loud as you can.

That would be an elegant solution - the rest of us could then carry out our lower level discussions and then resort to the oracles to get the real answer and see how well we did

[Hazy]

I must admit that De Jong hasn't greatly impressed me this season but in the first-half of the derby he was the best player on the pitch IMO. He was immense. In the second-half, U***d changed tactics and they overran us all over the park.

That wasn't the fault of any City player, or the management, it was simply that they have been together much longer. They are so much more fluid and can react to different threats effectively. That's one of the advantages fo a settled team. Hopefully we will start reaping those rewards in the near future. They also have a stronger mentality than we do. After all, tehy have played together in big matches, tight games and high-pressure matches. Regardless of what we think of them they can cope with pretty much everything that is thrown at them from better teams than us. They are one of the best teams in Europe for a reason. However, one day, we will be there and we will knock them off their perch.

I'd take that explanation IF we had "struggled a bit" but they had 78% posession to our 22% in second half. Even likes of Stoke don't rack up that sort of percentage in old scumford.

Let's face it, they took our midfield on the ride like Bobby Charlton does to some schoolboys and the man who was supposed to keep our midfield together, Nigel De Jong, couldn't do his shit.

Agree, De Jong was a disgrace in the second half.

So NQDP and Edge agree that De Jong was shit.

Well that's that then!

You two should have an NQDP and Edge sticky...

A wonderful colourful place where the strawberries taste like strawberries and the only way you can stop floating is to belch as loud as you can.

That would be an elegant solution - the rest of us could then carry out our lower level discussions and then resort to the oracles to get the real answer and see how well we did

NQDP fails to understand the rags have yrs of Champions League Quarter finals, and Semi's to find a way past teams with A De Jong or a game plan to stop them getting wide,we failed in the 2nd half, lets be honest Giggs was unplayable for both Micah and SWP.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I must admit that De Jong hasn't greatly impressed me this season but in the first-half of the derby he was the best player on the pitch IMO. He was immense. In the second-half, U***d changed tactics and they overran us all over the park.

That wasn't the fault of any City player, or the management, it was simply that they have been together much longer. They are so much more fluid and can react to different threats effectively. That's one of the advantages fo a settled team. Hopefully we will start reaping those rewards in the near future. They also have a stronger mentality than we do. After all, tehy have played together in big matches, tight games and high-pressure matches. Regardless of what we think of them they can cope with pretty much everything that is thrown at them from better teams than us. They are one of the best teams in Europe for a reason. However, one day, we will be there and we will knock them off their perch.

I'd take that explanation IF we had "struggled a bit" but they had 78% posession to our 22% in second half. Even likes of Stoke don't rack up that sort of percentage in old scumford.

Let's face it, they took our midfield on the ride like Bobby Charlton does to some schoolboys and the man who was supposed to keep our midfield together, Nigel De Jong, couldn't do his shit.

Agree, De Jong was a disgrace in the second half.

So NQDP and Edge agree that De Jong was shit.

Well that's that then!

You two should have an NQDP and Edge sticky...

A wonderful colourful place where the strawberries taste like strawberries and the only way you can stop floating is to belch as loud as you can.

That would be an elegant solution - the rest of us could then carry out our lower level discussions and then resort to the oracles to get the real answer and see how well we did

I'd be deeply offended if that came from someone who has ever offered any insight to football but when it's you two stooges who are mainly here to ignite argument, I'll just put it down to your usual form.

[Original Dub]

Right so I've NEVER offered any insight into football on this site, no?

You my friend are living in a fucking bubble if you think that I'm the one who 'ignites' arguements. I merely point out when folk state something either stupid or as a wind up. And you fall into both categories heavily.

The proof is in the amount of times its pointed out to you.

Your 'insight' into football was neatly summed up at the very start of this thread.

You have slowly turned into a joke on this message board and again that's been pointed out to you numerous times.

You're in a select group of two or three. Congratulations mate, that's some fall from grace.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Right so I've NEVER offered any insight into football on this site, no?

You my friend are living in a fucking bubble if you think that I'm the one who 'ignites' arguements. I merely point out when folk state something either stupid or as a wind up. And you fall into both categories heavily.

The proof is in the amount of times its pointed out to you.

Your 'insight' into football was neatly summed up at the very start of this thread.

You have slowly turned into a joke on this message board and again that's been pointed out to you numerous times.

You're in a select group of two or three. Congratulations mate, that's some fall from grace.

Like I said to you many times, some day I will see you post about football. I'm sure of it. Some might say it will never happen but I can feel it in my bones.

[Original Dub]

Right so I've NEVER offered any insight into football on this site, no?

You my friend are living in a fucking bubble if you think that I'm the one who 'ignites' arguements. I merely point out when folk state something either stupid or as a wind up. And you fall into both categories heavily.

The proof is in the amount of times its pointed out to you.

Your 'insight' into football was neatly summed up at the very start of this thread.

You have slowly turned into a joke on this message board and again that's been pointed out to you numerous times.

You're in a select group of two or three. Congratulations mate, that's some fall from grace.

Like I said to you many times, some day I will see you post about football. I'm sure of it. Some might say it will never happen but I can feel it in my bones.

Well don't take it too personally mate, but the 'feelings you get in your bones' don't worry me at all.

You had the same feelings about Bellamy, the academy, long ball play, us becoming like the butchers of blackburn, Micah being offside when it was Barry who was.... and god bless the feelings in your bones at the beginning of this thread when you called one of our best players in the first half a CUNT.

And you still haven't retracted your blatant misreading of both the player and the game in this very thread.

And you know SO SO much about the game.... you're up your own arse more than anyone on the board which is quite amazing because you get more things wrong than anyone on the board.

Your a blagger mate. And everyone's onto your bullshit at this stage.

[blue goat]

I no nothing about football but I would say the reason De jong was awesome in the first half but quiet in the second was more to do with how the scum played. first half they was tryna come through the middle and use berbatov and rooney to cut us up but je dong dominated them and cut off the supply to them. in the second half they started coming down the wings and getting balls in the box whic is when you need to wide players and full backs to be on there game which they was not

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Right so I've NEVER offered any insight into football on this site, no?

You my friend are living in a fucking bubble if you think that I'm the one who 'ignites' arguements. I merely point out when folk state something either stupid or as a wind up. And you fall into both categories heavily.

The proof is in the amount of times its pointed out to you.

Your 'insight' into football was neatly summed up at the very start of this thread.

You have slowly turned into a joke on this message board and again that's been pointed out to you numerous times.

You're in a select group of two or three. Congratulations mate, that's some fall from grace.

Like I said to you many times, some day I will see you post about football. I'm sure of it. Some might say it will never happen but I can feel it in my bones.

Well don't take it too personally mate, but the 'feelings you get in your bones' don't worry me at all.

You had the same feelings about Bellamy, the academy, long ball play, us becoming like the butchers of blackburn, Micah being offside when it was Barry who was.... and god bless the feelings in your bones at the beginning of this thread when you called one of our best players in the first half a CUNT.

And you still haven't retracted your blatant misreading of both the player and the game in this very thread.

And you know SO SO much about the game.... you're up your own arse more than anyone on the board which is quite amazing because you get more things wrong than anyone on the board.

Your a blagger mate. And everyone's onto your bullshit at this stage.

That's the problem with talking about football in football forum. Sometimes you are right sometimes wrong. Only football related comments I remember from you are that "Benjani is top signing" and "Dunne is solid and reliable defender". That's it.

[Dunne's Half-Time Pint]

That's the problem with talking about football in football forum. Sometimes you are right sometimes wrong.

and sometimes...

Fucking cunt can fuck right off as far as I'm concerned.

Well anyone who saw the fucking game and knows anything about football will agree with me no fucking doubt.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

That's the problem with talking about football in football forum. Sometimes you are right sometimes wrong.

Fucking cunt can fuck right off as far as I'm concerned.

Well anyone who saw the fucking game and knows anything about football will agree with me no fucking doubt.

and sometimes...

Sometimes what?

[Beefymcfc]

Looking at the length of this thread I am taking it that the few are saying the Schlong is shite and the rest have put up decent discussion to say he is not; which were probably refuted again by words to the effect of 'Shite'. Once the 'Shite' was no longer being listened to, it turned into a 'Slate another Blue' thread.

Am I right?

Personally though, I do really like De Jong plays; quietly and effectively. If you look at all of the scum goals, not one of them came through him.

1st - Throw in from left wing whilst Micah was still blaming everyone and some good individual skill from Shrek.

2nd - Corner onto Fletchers head that should've been dealt with by the Big Defenders we have.

3rd - Same as 2nd.

4th - Quick ball into Owen from Giggs after a freekick went the wrong way and way after normal realms of ET. Oh, and when did he go off?

Actually, I don't feel the need to defend the Schlong, he seemed to do that very well himself on the pitch!

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Looking at the length of this thread I am taking it that the few are saying the Schlong is shite and the rest have put up decent discussion to say he is not; which were probably refuted again by words to the effect of 'Shite'. Once the 'Shite' was no longer being listened to, it turned into a 'Slate another Blue' thread.

Am I right?

Personally though, I do really like De Jong plays; quietly and effectively. If you look at all of the scum goals, not one of them came through him.

1st - Throw in from left wing whilst Micah was still blaming everyone and some good individual skill from Shrek.

2nd - Corner onto Fletchers head that should've been dealt with by the Big Defenders we have.

3rd - Same as 2nd.

4th - Quick ball into Owen from Giggs after a freekick went the wrong way and way after normal realms of ET. Oh, and when did he go off?

Actually, I don't feel the need to defend the Schlong, he seemed to do that very well himself on the pitch!

who has said De Jong is shit? You made that up. I said he was shite in Derby and one of the main reasons why we lost the midfield in second half and the game.

My overall opinion of him I said on topic dedicated to him last week. Not world beater nor complete shite.

To say that he did well there as defensive midfielder in a side that conceded four is nothing sort of ridiculous.