IS Bobby Mancini THE MAN?

[Im_Spartacus]

I'm teetering right on edge of no after last night.

If you asked me in December would I be happy to qualify for the Champions League if we played like wankers and won most of our remaining games, I would have grabbed your hand off. However now we are 4 months into it, the reality is striking me somewhat different, and I am now starting to find it a chore, and utterly depressing to watch City regardless of the result.

I would love to say yes, as the results overall would indicate we are doing alright, but I dont think I can watch another season of this football.

You won't, i will personally donate £50 to the charity of your choice if we do. That is how confident i am.

Like I said, we do appear to be getting it mostly right and with a few midfielders to resolve the gaping hole we now have I can see how he could take this team forwards.

Plus it is definately all about people's perception of what they see. Whilst I saw an error strewn performance which deserved nothing, others saw that maybe what we did against Wigan, Blackburn and a couple of other teams at home was keep strong in the first half, then hammer them in a short space of time, taking us out of sight. As I posted in another thread, being positive, this is exactly what Chelsea, United and Liverpool have always done, and look at the success we have had to what they enjoy.

However I admit that I rarely watch televised football these days either - it holds no draw for me any more. Maybe I am just falling out of love with football?

[john@staustell]

I'm teetering right on edge of no after last night.

If you asked me in December would I be happy to qualify for the Champions League if we played like wankers and won most of our remaining games, I would have grabbed your hand off. However now we are 4 months into it, the reality is striking me somewhat different, and I am now starting to find it a chore, and utterly depressing to watch City regardless of the result.

I would love to say yes, as the results overall would indicate we are doing alright, but I dont think I can watch another season of this football.

You won't, i will personally donate £50 to the charity of your choice if we do. That is how confident i am.

Like I said, we do appear to be getting it mostly right and with a few midfielders to resolve the gaping hole we now have I can see how he could take this team forwards.

Plus it is definately all about people's perception of what they see. Whilst I saw an error strewn performance which deserved nothing, others saw that maybe what we did against Wigan, Blackburn and a couple of other teams at home was keep strong in the first half, then hammer them in a short space of time, taking us out of sight. As I posted in another thread, being positive, this is exactly what Chelsea, U***d and Liverpool have always done, and look at the success we have had to what they enjoy.

However I admit that I rarely watch televised football these days either - it holds no draw for me any more. Maybe I am just falling out of love with football?

Reverse psyche mate. You just can´t handle this ´challenging for CL` business after all these years of true bollox!!!!

[johnny crossan]

.....I was just wondering , as I don't really think I have seen the answers in this thread , what the yes voters would point to as the reasons why they have voted yes. What has he actually done since he has been here at City to suggest or prove that he is the man?

But what has he done to show he is not the man Doug?
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[Beefymcfc]

Ermmmmmm, no replies. Losers!

[Mark (Blue Army)]

Mancini is the man!!!!!!!

[9secondlegend]

he defo wants to shag that bird off espn

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Personally I feel that at this stage, us being fourth with six games to go, anyone saying categorically that he is NOT the man for us has to be bit crazy. Sitting on the fence, that I can understand, but to simply say no is bit weird for me.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

Is there anybody saying a categorical no? Nobody that I know of.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Is there anybody saying a categorical no? Nobody that I know of.

58 people it seems.

On a sidenote, yes votes have gone DOWN since yesterday. Hilarious!

[john68]

Given that so many fans judge a manger simply on his last or last few results, it doesn't suprise me that the "no" votes have decreased.
I don't doubt that at this point of Pearce's managerial city career, he would have recieved the same too.
Just as it still far too early to judge Hughes, it is still far too early to give a definitive judgement on Mancini.

All we can do is enjoy each good result as it happens, hope that they continue and if the pattern of success continues, celebrate it.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Is there anybody saying a categorical no? Nobody that I know of.

58 people it seems.

On a sidenote, yes votes have gone DOWN since yesterday. Hilarious!

You beat me to it mate ha ha....

If Mancini had played that kind of football ages ago we would have walked the 4th spot and probably be neck to neck with Arsenal in 3rd......anyway hats off to him for taking the shackles off us yesterday and I hope he shows the same character for the remaining games.

[Beefymcfc]

Is there anybody saying a categorical no? Nobody that I know of.

58 people it seems.

On a sidenote, yes votes have gone DOWN since yesterday. Hilarious!

That's probably 58 people who have forgotten this thread, can't be arsed changing there vote or don't visit the site no more. But why hilarious with change? We've only lost 1 in the last 10, beaten Chelsea, Fulham and Burnley comprehensively away from home and overcome some of our previous bogey teams. The downsides are some of the manner of performances, losing in the cup games and losing to Everton at home.

I think many realise that the cups were a bonus but the main priority was 4th position. We are in that position now and the performances are gradualy getting better, and that is good reason for people to change their views.

With Mancio, there doesn't seem to be a vendetta going on, unlike under our previous manager.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Is there anybody saying a categorical no? Nobody that I know of.

58 people it seems.

On a sidenote, yes votes have gone DOWN since yesterday. Hilarious!

That's probably 58 people who have forgotten this thread, can't be arsed changing there vote or don't visit the site no more. But why hilarious with change? We've only lost 1 in the last 10, beaten Chelsea, Fulham and Burnley comprehensively away from home and overcome some of our previous bogey teams. The downsides are some of the manner of performances, losing in the cup games and losing to Everton at home.

I think many realise that the cups were a bonus but the main priority was 4th position. We are in that position now and the performances are gradualy getting better, and that is good reason for people to change their views.

With Mancio, there doesn't seem to be a vendetta going on, unlike under our previous manager.

err.. It's hilarious because for all the reasons you mentioned you'd expect Yes votes to go UP rather than DOWN right.

Oh, and there was definite vendetta going on, just read this topic through, it's just that Mancini is starting to prove them wrong and people are wisely backing down.

[Beefymcfc]

Is there anybody saying a categorical no? Nobody that I know of.

58 people it seems.

On a sidenote, yes votes have gone DOWN since yesterday. Hilarious!

That's probably 58 people who have forgotten this thread, can't be arsed changing there vote or don't visit the site no more. But why hilarious with change? We've only lost 1 in the last 10, beaten Chelsea, Fulham and Burnley comprehensively away from home and overcome some of our previous bogey teams. The downsides are some of the manner of performances, losing in the cup games and losing to Everton at home.

I think many realise that the cups were a bonus but the main priority was 4th position. We are in that position now and the performances are gradualy getting better, and that is good reason for people to change their views.

With Mancio, there doesn't seem to be a vendetta going on, unlike under our previous manager.

err.. It's hilarious because for all the reasons you mentioned you'd expect Yes votes to go UP rather than DOWN right.

Oh, and there was definite vendetta going on, just read this topic through, it's just that Mancini is starting to prove them wrong and people are wisely backing down.

err...not necessarily. I've already given my views on Mancio and I'll stick to my thought, however it isonly recently that we have seen glimpses of the football that we all know we have in the locker. People are still unsure, and rightly so, whether Mancio can take us to the top, especially after the disappointments in the cup. As for the vendetta, I've not seen anything real to show that he has anything other than support from all the Blues on this board, maybe a few take a slightly distant approach but that's to be expected knowing the nature of our club. And there's no reason to back down when all's they were doing were expressing their opinion from what they seen on the pitch. The reality is, some are just changing there minds, which everyone has a right to; don't they?

The real issue now is that if Mancio does make 4th, the goal-posts will change again, such as they did with Hughes, and we will all be expecting at least a cup, probable top 3 finish and a decent run the Champs League. Has Mancio got the mettle to bring us the success we so craive?

[Swales4ever]

Is there anybody saying a categorical no? Nobody that I know of.

58 people it seems.

On a sidenote, yes votes have gone DOWN since yesterday. Hilarious!

That's probably 58 people who have forgotten this thread, can't be arsed changing there vote or don't visit the site no more. But why hilarious with change? We've only lost 1 in the last 10, beaten Chelsea, Fulham and Burnley comprehensively away from home and overcome some of our previous bogey teams. The downsides are some of the manner of performances, losing in the cup games and losing to Everton at home.

I think many realise that the cups were a bonus but the main priority was 4th position. We are in that position now and the performances are gradualy getting better, and that is good reason for people to change their views.

With Mancio, there doesn't seem to be a vendetta going on, unlike under our previous manager.

err.. It's hilarious because for all the reasons you mentioned you'd expect Yes votes to go UP rather than DOWN right.

Oh, and there was definite vendetta going on, just read this topic through, it's just that Mancini is starting to prove them wrong and people are wisely backing down.

err...not necessarily. I've already given my views on Mancio and I'll stick to my thought, however it isonly recently that we have seen glimpses of the football that we all know we have in the locker. People are still unsure, and rightly so, whether Mancio can take us to the top, especially after the disappointments in the cup. As for the vendetta, I've not seen anything real to show that he has anything other than support from all the Blues on this board, maybe a few take a slightly distant approach but that's to be expected knowing the nature of our club. And there's no reason to back down when all's they were doing were expressing their opinion from what they seen on the pitch. The reality is, some are just changing there minds, which everyone has a right to; don't they?

The real issue now is that if Mancio does make 4th, the goal-posts will change again, such as they did with Hughes, and we will all be expecting at least a cup, probable top 3 finish and a decent run the Champs League. Has Mancio got the mettle to bring us the success we so craive?

My very personal opinion, Beefy Mate, is a big YES about Your question.
Providing that next year's Team will be fed with a very top deep-lying box-to box (just name a younger Vieira, a Xavi Alonso clone or the original one, in my biggest dream) and a stably effective playmaker (sadly the occasion to get W. Snejider for few money went too early - I'd like to have a worth try with the Lyon's Pjanic).
I have a feeling You are not far to agree with me... :-)

[john@staustell]

I think I said 16,520-odd views ago that it wasn´t possible to know yet, so voted undecided.

But I believe there are strong signs that the methods he took through at Inter are starting to pay off. It is less ´random´than before, we are improving.

I think the passing and ball retention is better, as well as most of the defending, and now the attacking play seems to slotting in more nicely.

Although we only drew at Sunderland, in reality it should have been 4 or 5 to us, whereas that same Sunderland have just really trashed a Spuds team who so many seem to be in awe of - and Árry was really lucky it wasn´t 6!

He still has some learning to do - Everton tactics etc - but then again he hasn´t yet chosen his own players. He learns game by game and during games, but he learns quick!! Anyone who expected someone to come in and just win every match is a fool, but I reckon there are now firm grounds for saying that, a year down the line, we will be pretty formidable.

Furthermore I reckon we will be challenging for the title from the off in August, with a couple of player additions, and the bookies will reflect that.

The red pundits wont like it though!

[Original Dub]

Is there anybody saying a categorical no? Nobody that I know of.

58 people it seems.

On a sidenote, yes votes have gone DOWN since yesterday. Hilarious!

That's probably 58 people who have forgotten this thread, can't be arsed changing there vote or don't visit the site no more. But why hilarious with change? We've only lost 1 in the last 10, beaten Chelsea, Fulham and Burnley comprehensively away from home and overcome some of our previous bogey teams. The downsides are some of the manner of performances, losing in the cup games and losing to Everton at home.

I think many realise that the cups were a bonus but the main priority was 4th position. We are in that position now and the performances are gradualy getting better, and that is good reason for people to change their views.

With Mancio, there doesn't seem to be a vendetta going on, unlike under our previous manager.

err.. It's hilarious because for all the reasons you mentioned you'd expect Yes votes to go UP rather than DOWN right.

Oh, and there was definite vendetta going on, just read this topic through, it's just that Mancini is starting to prove them wrong and people are wisely backing down.

Wow

You think people have a VENDETTA AGAINST MANCINI?!!!! Holy fuck! Because of our deep hatred for the teams he played for or because it is widely known he's an evil bastard??

You're honestly getting stranger and stranger mate, its bizzarre at this stage! Since this appointment you've gotten even more bitter and twisted - still looking to divide the camp and it makes no sense.

No matter how many times people try to explain to you why they are unsure about Mancini, you don't reply... instead you wander into another thread and insinuate that those who question the manager are happy when we lose. The only people who are happy when we lose are rags, so its not a very nice thing to say.

Since Mancini's appointment, you have never mentioned anything negative about our play. Now either you have loved absolutely everything that you've seen (which is highly unlikely) or you've changed your tune BIG TIME, because you couldn't shut up with the negativity under the last guy.

I can't speak for everyone else, but I'll try and break it down for you:

When Mancini arrived, I felt the football we started to play was negative and boring. I hate negative and boring football so when it began to culminate in poor performances AND so so results, my vote was no. It stayed there after stoke drew with us at home and then knocked us out of the FA Cup. After we beat Chelsea and Fulham and a decent draw at Sunderland I was in the "not sure" camp, because I felt that in those games we played "half and half" football - half shite and half nice. We then got our arses handed to us on a plate for the second time by Everton, on our own turf and my vote stayed in "not sure" but leaning towards "no".

My vote looked to be heading towards "no" for over an hour against Wigan because once again we were negative and damn lucky not to be losing to Wigan, again on our own turf. However, Tevez had an excellent 20 mins and my vote stayed there.

The last game was a fucking joy to behold and I agree if it wasn't for the rain, it could easily have been double figures. I loved every minute of it. So needless to say my vote is still "not sure" and will be until I see consistantly good PERFORMANCES. I'm not gonna change my vote because we lose or because we win because that happens to nearly every team.... I'll change it if I feel the reason we underperformed was because the manager put the shackles back on and I've seen this many times with how he sends the team out.

If he does it again and we fuck up against Birmingham I will have no trouble saying that's how I feel and I'd appreciate it if you didn't accuse me of having a vendetta against the manager of the team I fucking love, because only selfish people who love nothing more than an "I told you so" put themselves and their agendas before the manager of manchester city.

I think Mancini is a very likeable bloke and he has shown that half the time we can play really nice and effective football. If he can make that "nearly all the time" I'll put myself firmly in the "yes" camp. But don't think for one second that because you and others "knew he was THE MAN" since the day he walked in, it makes you wiser than the rest of us mere mortals... because what some of us did was wait and see if there was a sufficient enough improvement in ALL areas of our football to justify kicking the last guy out.

As far as I can see, everyone on this board is right behind the manager - the rest is in your head. The thing is, people will take you a bit more serious if you stop trying to put them in boxes and speak objectively after each match... say what you liked and what you didn't like. That's all I've done since he has arrived, yet you say I only come on when I've something negative to say.

I hope now I have gone someway to showing your accusations simply aren't true.

[johnny crossan]

This thread is like twelve bald men arguing over a comb.

[Original Dub]

This thread is like twelve bald men arguing over a comb.

You mean we don't need a manager then?

[Swales4ever]

Is there anybody saying a categorical no? Nobody that I know of.

58 people it seems.

On a sidenote, yes votes have gone DOWN since yesterday. Hilarious!

That's probably 58 people who have forgotten this thread, can't be arsed changing there vote or don't visit the site no more. But why hilarious with change? We've only lost 1 in the last 10, beaten Chelsea, Fulham and Burnley comprehensively away from home and overcome some of our previous bogey teams. The downsides are some of the manner of performances, losing in the cup games and losing to Everton at home.

I think many realise that the cups were a bonus but the main priority was 4th position. We are in that position now and the performances are gradualy getting better, and that is good reason for people to change their views.

With Mancio, there doesn't seem to be a vendetta going on, unlike under our previous manager.

err.. It's hilarious because for all the reasons you mentioned you'd expect Yes votes to go UP rather than DOWN right.

Oh, and there was definite vendetta going on, just read this topic through, it's just that Mancini is starting to prove them wrong and people are wisely backing down.

Wow

You think people have a VENDETTA AGAINST MANCINI?!!!! Holy fuck! Because of our deep hatred for the teams he played for or because it is widely known he's an evil bastard??

You're honestly getting stranger and stranger mate, its bizzarre at this stage! Since this appointment you've gotten even more bitter and twisted - still looking to divide the camp and it makes no sense.

No matter how many times people try to explain to you why they are unsure about Mancini, you don't reply... instead you wander into another thread and insinuate that those who question the manager are happy when we lose. The only people who are happy when we lose are rags, so its not a very nice thing to say.

Since Mancini's appointment, you have never mentioned anything negative about our play. Now either you have loved absolutely everything that you've seen (which is highly unlikely) or you've changed your tune BIG TIME, because you couldn't shut up with the negativity under the last guy.

I can't speak for everyone else, but I'll try and break it down for you:

When Mancini arrived, I felt the football we started to play was negative and boring. I hate negative and boring football so when it began to culminate in poor performances AND so so results, my vote was no. It stayed there after stoke drew with us at home and then knocked us out of the FA Cup. After we beat Chelsea and Fulham and a decent draw at Sunderland I was in the "not sure" camp, because I felt that in those games we played "half and half" football - half shite and half nice. We then got our arses handed to us on a plate for the second time by Everton, on our own turf and my vote stayed in "not sure" but leaning towards "no".

My vote looked to be heading towards "no" for over an hour against Wigan because once again we were negative and damn lucky not to be losing to Wigan, again on our own turf. However, Tevez had an excellent 20 mins and my vote stayed there.

The last game was a fucking joy to behold and I agree if it wasn't for the rain, it could easily have been double figures. I loved every minute of it. So needless to say my vote is still "not sure" and will be until I see consistantly good PERFORMANCES. I'm not gonna change my vote because we lose or because we win because that happens to nearly every team.... I'll change it if I feel the reason we underperformed was because the manager put the shackles back on and I've seen this many times with how he sends the team out.

If he does it again and we fuck up against Birmingham I will have no trouble saying that's how I feel and I'd appreciate it if you didn't accuse me of having a vendetta against the manager of the team I fucking love, because only selfish people who love nothing more than an "I told you so" put themselves and their agendas before the manager of manchester city.

I think Mancini is a very likeable bloke and he has shown that half the time we can play really nice and effective football. If he can make that "nearly all the time" I'll put myself firmly in the "yes" camp. But don't think for one second that because you and others "knew he was THE MAN" since the day he walked in, it makes you wiser than the rest of us mere mortals... because what some of us did was wait and see if there was a sufficient enough improvement in ALL areas of our football to justify kicking the last guy out.

As far as I can see, everyone on this board is right behind the manager - the rest is in your head. The thing is, people will take you a bit more serious if you stop trying to put them in boxes and speak objectively after each match... say what you liked and what you didn't like. That's all I've done since he has arrived, yet you say I only come on when I've something negative to say.

I hope now I have gone someway to showing your accusations simply aren't true.

Yes Dubby, I am sure surely YOU (remember me acknowledging Your ideas?), and the very very most of other NOT SURE Posters, are genuinely and entitled about Your uncertainty and concerns for the Club future.

Not Dubby, neither Your Goodself do actually believe that "everyone is right behind the manager" (unless You missed several posts and a whole thread at least).
Untill then it won't actually happen, the wise person You are will agree that some attitudes recently shown in reaction to those which are in the will to continue undermining the atmosphere and the only focus instrumental to the Club interest (getting 4th) are, at least, as entitled as those of person who cannot really bear that evil italian who stole the nice British Guy his job...