IS Bobby Mancini THE MAN?

[Douglas Higginbottom]

As I wrote yesterday on my website, there will be ten finals from today since the hammers game on May for telling is Mancio would be the man for us!

So nothing yet then?

[Swales4ever]

As I wrote yesterday on my website, there will be ten finals from today since the hammers game on May for telling is Mancio would be the man for us!

Yeah Renato, I agree on the 10 finals left by getting 4th.

On the contrary, getting 4th won't assess Mancio is the man (for the thread's sake) and will take the next season - if provided - to watch his football, performed with the addition of few men featuring his style, trained according his methods and practice from season's day one.
This point just to apply to my ideas/hopes the same argument I'd love Douglas would apply to his.... :-)

[Swales4ever]

Dough... Mate... As i wrote, You basically did quite understood the whole point I tried to make with my post.
As I explained further upon Renato's quote, I do agree with the very genuine part of Your opinion even more than what You may think I do.

For the rest I do not have to repeat what i already tried to highlight with my limited capabilities...:-)
I am sure U and everyone else are good enough to get them, even because it will be very difficult and quite embarassing to sustain otherwise, after 3 moths of management of a not choosen team of players, sailing on the dire straits (oh, how much I love them, as musicians!) of the worst press/huge enjuries/prompt bans of key players and a crowd of fans originally disappointend by the way his predecessor had been treated.

To be clever, better than fair, considering the facts above and given the man's previous acheivements in Seria A (not Iceland league!) and outstanding reputation amongst professionals, the spread of opinion about the matter should vary from who see clues of possible developments to greatness in what he has already done under the circumstances, and who still does not see those clues.
More extreme views besides of being embarassing, would just been negative for the sake of City efforts.
A board of professional directors appointend by a clever shareholder who invest huge wealth on the Club will review the manager potential at due time.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

Tell me what the clues are.

[Beefymcfc]

I think that was exactly Doug's point - that is not answering the question. The question at the start of the thread was, "Is Bobby Mancini the MAN?" The point I made is that just because he is the present incumbent, doesnt mean that he is the right one, yet people will say he is under a sense of loyalty JUST because he is our manager.

I know you have recently changed your vote to yes based on some specific observations you made, I think that is what Doug is more interested in, rather than just the general sheep response of most that "he is our manager so I support him" - as that doesnt answer the question.

I understand exactly where you are coming from mate, and am of a similar opinion. However, as I've stated in previous posts I am beginning to see changes in individual players attitudes with regard to discipline and have actually found the games more intriguing. We all know you cannot base any truth within such a small time-frame as it will always take a few months for a managers views to be translated onto the pitch.

We've all had our say on the poor things, but what many are forgetting are the good things, ie. the second half of games, better defensive shape and more over, the points tally. I said a while back that I'll have to forego the attacking style that entertained me under Hughes as Mancio had been set an agenda of shoring up the defence and getting us into the CL.

So, in regard to the above and previous posts, my view has changed from sitting on the fence, and to be truthful, that happened with Hughes as well. The reason for me is probably different from many as I don't view success as an instant thing, I view it as achieving a set target over a period. The first target was to get us established in the Top 10 and stop yo-yo'ing up and down the league, which Sven and Hughes did. With more money spent, the next target for me was to aim for Top 6, which Hughes was on target for. Now, Mancio is still on target for a Top 6 with a very good chance of breaking into the Top 4, which would be a massive achievement. Let's not forget,the likes of Tottenham and Villa have been trying to break into the top flight for many more years than us, and have also spent vast sums over a period to do so, yet some believe we have the automatic right to be beating them to it - but that's not me, I still try to keep my expectations realistic.

Hope that helps.

PS. Did I tell you that I think we are on course for the 70 point tally.

[guv111]

Is Bobby Mancini THE MAN?

I'm really not sure. So far, I've seen us play some quite slow, ponderous football under him. I just wonder if he understands the faster, and generally more successful football Premier League clubs play. It's all very well wandering around the pitch at a snail's pace in Serie A, but Italian club football is (Inter aside, last week) usually third best after the Prem. and La Liga.

[Swales4ever]

Tell me what the clues are.

Briefly, as I'm late.
The squad has now a clear idea of what to do in every moment of the games. every chain has been drilled or set up and every Lad now is fully aware what he has to do on every opponent's move or counter-move comes.

When the Lads manage to stay focused and act accordingly, City is already a tight and rough opponent: please don't come and say it is a manager's fault (mancini/hughes/john wayne) when things like the global failure of the chain (zabba/Micah/Winnie) at the Sunderland goal happens (on minute 9th!). Lads clearly still have problems of staying focused, but it is normally the last acheivement of a top team.
You will perhaps have already noticed some important improvents on Gareth overall performances, based on the awareness of what he can afford himself to do or not to do, given coverage and backing moves subsequent to his moves.
This awareness, same as the good accountant which is able to do all maths, is the basis for any team to step to further quality of football. Otherwise, You simply cannot afford the Barca schemes of play or to come at Stanfoord Bridge and play 4-3-3 with 3 strikers and a playmaker (You also need to have FBs like J.Zanetti and Maicon who can as well feature midfield roles, actually): here starts enterteinment to come and it starts matching with dominant possession and tempo control.

Then, You have structural weakness, for 2 different reason:
a) holding/deep-lying: we have only an overaged 33 who will be of benefit, but as U are all are joking about, it is very difficult he can sustain full games and also lacks of game fitness (due to his fault).
As a starter, we have a lovely pitbull, (I too love Nigel), which sadly is less a midfielder than every CBs of all the greatest Clubs we aim to refer: every time he get the ball through his superb tackles, either he pass backward or sideward. never ever, he heads up and pass the ball either to a winger 20 yards ahead or to the target man up front or to the playmaker who should be already running to dictate the pass and open spaces for the strikers (this last option because it currently does not exsist.). Out of cliches this is actually what rises the tempo!
b) playmaker: we have Steve Ireland, a gifted attacking midfielder (not sure if actaully a playmaker). He might perform well good enough according to his features. I don't know why, any time Roberto gave him the chance to prove he can be helpfull, either he disappeared within few minutes (Stoke FA home) or had always been hidden amongst opponents (Liverpool EPL home). Sadly this is a moment of the season when experiments are tricky and dangerous, and if additional performances should result in 10vs11 games the run in will be threatened and You will be prompt to hammer the manager, my Mate... :-)
despite, I still do belive in Stevie, as I reckon we desperately lack some fantasy, and this is why I tried to ask for Your advice whether if You had or will notice Mancini to try to teach him, during training tactical sessions, some moves that might help him to feature the role.

However, as I said, we are talking of clues and both sides of the view are entitled. Both shall move up&down according to next results, far most than to what the pitch will tell/show... :-)

Now, please give me a rest.... :-)

[carl_feedthegoat]

I voted yes because of what he has acheieved in his career and with that fact in mind he should be the man for city...plain and simple.

As it happens, up to now Im not convinced at all, although as Beefy has said, some players attitudes has changed for the better but overall performances have not but maybe Im being fucking impatient like most fans.

Im not changing and havent changed my opinion up to now even though Ill be one of the first fans on here to berate the manager and slag him off if I see us playing shit football.
These last 10 games will show us if he really is "the Man".

[Douglas Higginbottom]

I voted yes because of what he has acheieved in his career and with that fact in mind he should be the man for city...plain and simple.

As it happens, up to now Im not convinced at all, although as Beefy has said, some players attitudes has changed for the better but overall performances have not but maybe Im being fucking impatient like most fans.

Im not changing and havent changed my opinion up to now even though Ill be one of the first fans on here to berate the manager and slag him off if I see us playing shit football.
These last 10 games will show us if he really is "the Man".

That's sort of what I thought it would be for some and probably many "he should be the man for city...plain and simple."

let's hope so.

[brite blu sky]

I voted yes because of what he has acheieved in his career and with that fact in mind he should be the man for city...plain and simple.

As it happens, up to now Im not convinced at all, although as Beefy has said, some players attitudes has changed for the better but overall performances have not but maybe Im being fucking impatient like most fans.

Im not changing and havent changed my opinion up to now even though Ill be one of the first fans on here to berate the manager and slag him off if I see us playing shit football.
These last 10 games will show us if he really is "the Man".

That's sort of what I thought it would be for some and probably many "he should be the man for city...plain and simple."

let's hope so.

would second this, and also say in his defence that coming in mid season and looking first and foremost for results not playing style, was a). a big ask and b). not going to show us his true colours by any means.

[Renato_CTID]

Fulham-City 1-2. Well, I think Mancini should be City's manager for a lot of years! Please close this topic, mates, and keep more faith in this man! Once as a Samp and Lazio excellent striker, now as a young impeccable manager Bobby seems day after day the right man to guide the richest club in the world to the best triumphes! No more Mourinho roumours, please! We need managers, we don't need clowns, City won't become a circus, nevermore!

[Beefymcfc]

Not even a frickin' reply, why do I bother; does it not suit an agenda?

I think that was exactly Doug's point - that is not answering the question. The question at the start of the thread was, "Is Bobby Mancini the MAN?" The point I made is that just because he is the present incumbent, doesnt mean that he is the right one, yet people will say he is under a sense of loyalty JUST because he is our manager.

I know you have recently changed your vote to yes based on some specific observations you made, I think that is what Doug is more interested in, rather than just the general sheep response of most that "he is our manager so I support him" - as that doesnt answer the question.

I understand exactly where you are coming from mate, and am of a similar opinion. However, as I've stated in previous posts I am beginning to see changes in individual players attitudes with regard to discipline and have actually found the games more intriguing. We all know you cannot base any truth within such a small time-frame as it will always take a few months for a managers views to be translated onto the pitch.

We've all had our say on the poor things, but what many are forgetting are the good things, ie. the second half of games, better defensive shape and more over, the points tally. I said a while back that I'll have to forego the attacking style that entertained me under Hughes as Mancio had been set an agenda of shoring up the defence and getting us into the CL.

So, in regard to the above and previous posts, my view has changed from sitting on the fence, and to be truthful, that happened with Hughes as well. The reason for me is probably different from many as I don't view success as an instant thing, I view it as achieving a set target over a period. The first target was to get us established in the Top 10 and stop yo-yo'ing up and down the league, which Sven and Hughes did. With more money spent, the next target for me was to aim for Top 6, which Hughes was on target for. Now, Mancio is still on target for a Top 6 with a very good chance of breaking into the Top 4, which would be a massive achievement. Let's not forget,the likes of Tottenham and Villa have been trying to break into the top flight for many more years than us, and have also spent vast sums over a period to do so, yet some believe we have the automatic right to be beating them to it - but that's not me, I still try to keep my expectations realistic.

Hope that helps.

PS. Did I tell you that I think we are on course for the 70 point tally.

[King Kev]

He is still maintaining his average of 2 points per game.

You may not like his tactics but the results speak for themselves.

[gillie]

He is still maintaining his average of 2 points per game.

You may not like his tactics but the results speak for themselves.

And if he maintains that average it's job done CL for us next season as we will have 71pts and none of the other fuckers can break 70pts imo.

[Ted Hughes]

He is still maintaining his average of 2 points per game.

You may not like his tactics but the results speak for themselves.

Today wasn't about tactics it was about attitude & being positive imo. If you've got good players, it's about persuading the players to do the right things more often & with the right attitude rather than having them all drilled like an American football team. Imo, they were let off the leash today & a lot of the tactical stuff went out the window. That takes guts from the manager.

Respect to Mancini for having the balls to do it. Imo itakes a lot more balls to do what Mancini did today (& our previous manager did btw) than to stand everyone in 2 lines & say 'come & beat us'. Any fucker can line a team up like Tony Pulis but to go away from home & almost play 4-2-4 takes courage. Well done Mancini, keep it up.

[mcfc1632]

He is still maintaining his average of 2 points per game.

You may not like his tactics but the results speak for themselves.

Today wasn't about tactics it was about attitude & being positive imo. If you've got good players, it's about persuading the players to do the right things more often & with the right attitude rather than having them all drilled like an American football team. Imo, they were let off the leash today & a lot of the tactical stuff went out the window. That takes guts from the manager.

Respect to Mancini for having the balls to do it. Imo itakes a lot more balls to do what Mancini did today (& our previous manager did btw) than to stand everyone in 2 lines & say 'come & beat us'. Any fucker can line a team up like Tony Pulis but to go away from home & almost play 4-2-4 takes courage. Well done Mancini, keep it up.

I am with you on this - I remain unsure - I do not think that we are particularly further on than we would have been and I think that we would have won our first trophy for 34 years had we not changed - but that is done now.

I have been looking for signs of him ;letting the players off the leash' and I was really pleased to see us dominating Fulham at the Cottage - really a good sign - and I hope he will continue this to the end of the season - especially against the rags

[Im_Spartacus]

Not even a frickin' reply, why do I bother; does it not suit an agenda?

I think that was exactly Doug's point - that is not answering the question. The question at the start of the thread was, "Is Bobby Mancini the MAN?" The point I made is that just because he is the present incumbent, doesnt mean that he is the right one, yet people will say he is under a sense of loyalty JUST because he is our manager.

I know you have recently changed your vote to yes based on some specific observations you made, I think that is what Doug is more interested in, rather than just the general sheep response of most that "he is our manager so I support him" - as that doesnt answer the question.

I understand exactly where you are coming from mate, and am of a similar opinion. However, as I've stated in previous posts I am beginning to see changes in individual players attitudes with regard to discipline and have actually found the games more intriguing. We all know you cannot base any truth within such a small time-frame as it will always take a few months for a managers views to be translated onto the pitch.

We've all had our say on the poor things, but what many are forgetting are the good things, ie. the second half of games, better defensive shape and more over, the points tally. I said a while back that I'll have to forego the attacking style that entertained me under Hughes as Mancio had been set an agenda of shoring up the defence and getting us into the CL.

So, in regard to the above and previous posts, my view has changed from sitting on the fence, and to be truthful, that happened with Hughes as well. The reason for me is probably different from many as I don't view success as an instant thing, I view it as achieving a set target over a period. The first target was to get us established in the Top 10 and stop yo-yo'ing up and down the league, which Sven and Hughes did. With more money spent, the next target for me was to aim for Top 6, which Hughes was on target for. Now, Mancio is still on target for a Top 6 with a very good chance of breaking into the Top 4, which would be a massive achievement. Let's not forget,the likes of Tottenham and Villa have been trying to break into the top flight for many more years than us, and have also spent vast sums over a period to do so, yet some believe we have the automatic right to be beating them to it - but that's not me, I still try to keep my expectations realistic.

Hope that helps.

PS. Did I tell you that I think we are on course for the 70 point tally.

Sorry, I had to goto Blackpool Zoo yesterday. It was a lovely day out, free from the worries of city, think I will maybe try to not watch more often and add some time onto my life expectancy :)

Sorry mate, I think you read me wrong - I understood why you had voted yes recently, the only reason I named you in response to Doug's original post was that I had seen you post on the thread not too far back saying you had changed your view to yes, and why - which I thought was a very good post, well thought out. I was highlighting you as someone who had made your decision based on what you had seen and your perception of what was being achieved, NOT someone who had just decided he was the right man for the job just because he was the present incumbent, as many others did early doors.

I'm still firmly on the fence for what its worth, and whilst I dislike the brand of football I have seen on the whole, I certainly don't have an agenda re: Mancini. There are encouraging signs as you have pointed out, and as I pointed out in another thread, we are learning to nick points away from home and maybe "winning ugly", wheras before we were just "losing ugly" and whichever way you look at it that is progress - whether you like the style of football or not nobody can argue that we are building up a head of steam at the moment.

I won't comment on yesterdays game based on MOTD highlights which showed us having 2 attempts on goal, as even before coming on here BBC appeared to paint a very one sided picture of a side lucky to escape with 3 points, which I believe was not a correct picture.

I am certainly looking at him in a more sympathetic light given our recent run of results, and that by all accounts he did to some extent "go for it" yesterday which really surprises me (as per thread on Sat night where I didnt believe he would do it, maybe I was wrong)

[john@staustell]

Yesterday was 'winning pretty', not ugly. Although it was a bit close in the end in fact we could've easily had 6, whereas they didn't actually threaten much. Bearing in mind we should also have won by 4 or 5 at Sunderland, these 3 away performances are hugely significant. Interesting to see whether this translates into our home form being overpowering, or whether it has some adverse effect somehow.

There are definite signs of improvement and we are favourites for 4th. For what it's worth I dont think we would've won at Fulham or Chelsea with the previous manager, and would be struggling in the WAFFA League places. However I have an inkling Les would've won the League Cup. Catch 22.

It's possible the owners think this as well, but were playing a long game based on getting to the CL when they changed manager, and hoping for the Cup by the way by momentum.

[Beefymcfc]

1000 replies ;-)

[brite blu sky]

1001

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