Foden - time to move on?

[Wonderwall]

Stick of rock with Manchester City running right through the middle , One of our own . Let’s not turn on him we have the resources to see him through
He’s only 25 with support he will be back

This is something I’m still on the fence about. I believe he already benefits from a certain preferential status because he is “one of our own.” However, at the end of the day, we are a company, and we need to objectively assess whether he is capable of returning to his role. While the fact that he is one of our own carries weight, it shouldn’t ultimately influence the decision if circumstances in his personal life could make him a liability.

Probably also benefits from it as well due to his past efforts. PFA Player of the year less than 2 years ago with 19 goals from midfield, no pens.
Last year in a shit year 7 goals, same this year with plenty of games left and I'm only quoting Premier League. People jizz off about Palmer but take away his pens he's nowhere near Phil's shit years.

Mcatee had also 7 goals last season, but he was still shipped. Some might argue he was another that was our own.
I think we are way too obsessed with stats to see the bigger picture. They will never tell you the big picture.,

PFA Player, no doubt, but if he drags on, we keep him, the next two years he is going at this rate, are we going to still talk about that second part of the season when he was PFA?

I am not saying to fuck him off, I am also a bit biased because he is one of our own, but I wouldn't want to be in the shoes who will make any decisions about him. At the end of the day, he is a multimillionaire.

Foden gets more time due to him being the best thing to come out of our academy and being a massive blue. However, if he does not get his act together, I can see him being put in the shop window.

His form has been so hit and miss since he won PFA POTY. Shit last season but started this season really well, and then went completely off the boil. I have no idea about whether it's to do with his personal life or not, but it's a short career and we can't hang around waiting for him to get himself sorted. If he cannot sort his head out here, he will have no chance at Barca, PSG, Bayern or wherever he ends up.

[stupot]

Stick of rock with Manchester City running right through the middle , One of our own . Let’s not turn on him we have the resources to see him through
He’s only 25 with support he will be back

This is something I’m still on the fence about. I believe he already benefits from a certain preferential status because he is “one of our own.” However, at the end of the day, we are a company, and we need to objectively assess whether he is capable of returning to his role. While the fact that he is one of our own carries weight, it shouldn’t ultimately influence the decision if circumstances in his personal life could make him a liability.

Probably also benefits from it as well due to his past efforts. PFA Player of the year less than 2 years ago with 19 goals from midfield, no pens.
Last year in a shit year 7 goals, same this year with plenty of games left and I'm only quoting Premier League. People jizz off about Palmer but take away his pens he's nowhere near Phil's shit years.

Mcatee had also 7 goals last season, but he was still shipped. Some might argue he was another that was our own.
I think we are way too obsessed with stats to see the bigger picture. They will never tell you the big picture.,

PFA Player, no doubt, but if he drags on, we keep him, the next two years he is going at this rate, are we going to still talk about that second part of the season when he was PFA?

I am not saying to fuck him off, I am also a bit biased because he is one of our own, but I wouldn't want to be in the shoes who will make any decisions about him. At the end of the day, he is a multimillionaire.

7 league goals i said. How many did McAtee get

[carl_feedthegoat]

Stats are fucking meaningless right now. Haaland has been a shadow of the goalscorer he was for the past three months or so - he’s scored next to fuckall - It doesn’t matter how many goals he bagged last year—right now, both he and Foden are playing poorly and shouldn’t be starting in the first team.
Foden partly cost us the draw in that must-win game, and Haaland just isn’t converting balls into the box like he should.
It’s Pep’s fault for making everything revolve around Haaland and for his stubborn insistence on playing an out-of-form Foden.

[city72]

Stats are fucking meaningless right now. Haaland has been a shadow of the goalscorer he was for the past three months or so - he’s scored next to fuckall - It doesn’t matter how many goals he bagged last year—right now, both he and Foden are playing poorly and shouldn’t be starting in the first team.
Foden partly cost us the draw in that must-win game, and Haaland just isn’t converting balls into the box like he should.
It’s Pep’s fault for making everything revolve around Haaland and for his stubborn insistence on playing an out-of-form Foden.

I’d start Haaland (whatever form he’s in)over Marmoush all day long

[stupot]

Stats are fucking meaningless right now. Haaland has been a shadow of the goalscorer he was for the past three months or so - he’s scored next to fuckall - It doesn’t matter how many goals he bagged last year—right now, both he and Foden are playing poorly and shouldn’t be starting in the first team.
Foden partly cost us the draw in that must-win game, and Haaland just isn’t converting balls into the box like he should.
It’s Pep’s fault for making everything revolve around Haaland and for his stubborn insistence on playing an out-of-form Foden.

I’d start Haaland (whatever form he’s in)over Marmoush all day long

He'd start over anyone.
There's not a manager in the country that wouldn't start him

[Harry Dowd scored]

I know this will not be popular but I don’t give a fuck these days. The whole point of having a vast coaching department which includes therapists is to prepare our poor overworked footballers for games of football. The manager is also responsible for motivation, in Pep’s case he probably couldn’t motivate an addict to do a line. Foden is talented young footballer who has lost motivation, although he is responsible to perform to the best of his ability, it’s up to the manager to prepare players for games, or not play them if they are not performing. If we do get rid of Foden, who is a City boy through & through it will say as much about our “genius” as it will about the kid

[Nick]

Stats are fucking meaningless right now. Haaland has been a shadow of the goalscorer he was for the past three months or so - he’s scored next to fuckall - It doesn’t matter how many goals he bagged last year—right now, both he and Foden are playing poorly and shouldn’t be starting in the first team.
Foden partly cost us the draw in that must-win game, and Haaland just isn’t converting balls into the box like he should.
It’s Pep’s fault for making everything revolve around Haaland and for his stubborn insistence on playing an out-of-form Foden.

I’d start Haaland (whatever form he’s in)over Marmoush all day long

You sure?

[Nick]

I wouldnt play haaland in madrid. We need a team.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Stats are fucking meaningless right now. Haaland has been a shadow of the goalscorer he was for the past three months or so - he’s scored next to fuckall - It doesn’t matter how many goals he bagged last year—right now, both he and Foden are playing poorly and shouldn’t be starting in the first team.
Foden partly cost us the draw in that must-win game, and Haaland just isn’t converting balls into the box like he should.
It’s Pep’s fault for making everything revolve around Haaland and for his stubborn insistence on playing an out-of-form Foden.

I’d start Haaland (whatever form he’s in)over Marmoush all day long

He'd start over anyone.
There's not a manager in the country that wouldn't start him

On current form (last 3 months ) he deserves to start on the bench.

[CTID Hants]

[quote/]

Foden gets more time due to him being the best thing to come out of our academy and being a massive blue. However, if he does not get his act together, I can see him being put in the shop window.

His form has been so hit and miss since he won PFA POTY. Shit last season but started this season really well, and then went completely off the boil. I have no idea about whether it's to do with his personal life or not, but it's a short career and we can't hang around waiting for him to get himself sorted. If he cannot sort his head out here, he will have no chance at Barca, PSG, Bayern or wherever he ends up.[/quote]

I agree Wonderwall,

Someone outside of his entourage/family needs a proper word with him, someone he trusts and respects or looks up to, may be VK or even KDB, someone he looks up to.

[stupot]

Stats are fucking meaningless right now. Haaland has been a shadow of the goalscorer he was for the past three months or so - he’s scored next to fuckall - It doesn’t matter how many goals he bagged last year—right now, both he and Foden are playing poorly and shouldn’t be starting in the first team.
Foden partly cost us the draw in that must-win game, and Haaland just isn’t converting balls into the box like he should.
It’s Pep’s fault for making everything revolve around Haaland and for his stubborn insistence on playing an out-of-form Foden.

I’d start Haaland (whatever form he’s in)over Marmoush all day long

He'd start over anyone.
There's not a manager in the country that wouldn't start him

On current form (last 3 months ) he deserves to start on the bench.

Well it's not 3 months for a start. December he was scoring for fun. Madrod, 2 at Palace, 2 against West Ham.
In the last few weeks he scored the biggest pressure pen at Liverpool after his assist there then had a blinder at home to Newcastle. He creates space for everyone else as they're all scared stiff of him

[zuricity]

Stats are fucking meaningless right now. Haaland has been a shadow of the goalscorer he was for the past three months or so - he’s scored next to fuckall - It doesn’t matter how many goals he bagged last year—right now, both he and Foden are playing poorly and shouldn’t be starting in the first team.
Foden partly cost us the draw in that must-win game, and Haaland just isn’t converting balls into the box like he should.
It’s Pep’s fault for making everything revolve around Haaland and for his stubborn insistence on playing an out-of-form Foden.

I’d start Haaland (whatever form he’s in)over Marmoush all day long

He'd start over anyone.
There's not a manager in the country that wouldn't start him

On current form (last 3 months ) he deserves to start on the bench.

Well it's not 3 months for a start. December he was scoring for fun. Madrod, 2 at Palace, 2 against West Ham.
In the last few weeks he scored the biggest pressure pen at Liverpool after his assist there then had a blinder at home to Newcastle. He creates space for everyone else as they're all scared stiff of him

irrespective of form or not , Who is currently in first place for the golden boot this season ?

[carl_feedthegoat]

Stats are fucking meaningless right now. Haaland has been a shadow of the goalscorer he was for the past three months or so - he’s scored next to fuckall - It doesn’t matter how many goals he bagged last year—right now, both he and Foden are playing poorly and shouldn’t be starting in the first team.
Foden partly cost us the draw in that must-win game, and Haaland just isn’t converting balls into the box like he should.
It’s Pep’s fault for making everything revolve around Haaland and for his stubborn insistence on playing an out-of-form Foden.

I’d start Haaland (whatever form he’s in)over Marmoush all day long

He'd start over anyone.
There's not a manager in the country that wouldn't start him

On current form (last 3 months ) he deserves to start on the bench.

Well it's not 3 months for a start. December he was scoring for fun. Madrod, 2 at Palace, 2 against West Ham.
In the last few weeks he scored the biggest pressure pen at Liverpool after his assist there then had a blinder at home to Newcastle. He creates space for everyone else as they're all scared stiff of him

December has been and gone , he's scored 3 goals in 10 Premier League matches since January 1st and 2 of those were penalties. That's a fact, and it shows he's badly off his scoring form right now, no matter how you try to fucking spin it.
He's also not paid 500k a week primarily to create space - He's paid to score goals, and when you look at recent must win games , like the 2-2 draw against Forest where he didn't score and also missed a big chance — the output isn't there.Being the top scorer this season is obviously brilliant but that doesn't change the run hes currently on this year.
He'll 100% start against Madrid — no argument there, and I wouldn't blame the manager for picking him — but on current form alone, he doesn't deserve to start.

[PeterParker]

Again, stats are overrated.
Just based on our possession, we should win 99% the games because the opposition shouldn't have a sniff.

[Crossie]

Phil needs our support. This thread is short sighted fucking hysteria media driven bullshit. Most of you need a slap to bring you to your senses.

If he’s with us for his entire career, +15 years. Then a season and a half of only scoring 7 in play goals from midfield is fantastic. It’s like splitting up with your wife because it gets a bit hard for a few years and you don’t get what you want 100% of the time. Don’t be short sighted. Phil with his mental and physical issues resolved, which we’ve seen signs of, is a world class player and one of us. I’d pay £100m for that.

He needs to be right, rested, settle in a team where his role is clear to him and then supported.

I personally hope he doesn’t go to the World Cup too. He needs rest. Mental rest.

[Nick]

Agree with the post about blue to the core and we have the resources to wait it out and help him.

Class on his day. Real blue and actually breathes football.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Agree with the post about blue to the core and we have the resources to wait it out and help him.

Class on his day. Real blue and actually breathes football.

No player is immune to being slagged off - some of you go on as if this blue supporting player needs a fuckign hug !!!

We as fans need a fuckign hug when a player performs like a cunt !!!

He’s on a million quid a month and I’m sure that will help towards his mental fucking health.

[Im_Spartacus]

i've mentioned on other threads about Phil, that I feel he's very much the player who is the icing on the cake in a rolls royce team.

My view is that he's on an elite wavelength playing with people like Kev, Bernie, Gundo and other players like Walker for example who knew the system inside out - our team were so well drilled, it's been shown many times that the players never even needed to look uyp - they knew where their colleagues would be and what runs they would be making. With the squad changes he's simply struggling to adapt to that as those who have come in get upto speed (or may never be at the level Phil needs) - which means that if City struggle, Phil struggles.

Evidence for this is all over - for example his weak performances for England are very much like Scholes and Barnes - the best players of their generation, surrounded by lesser players on a different wavelength, they were never able to replicate their club form with other players. But also looking at how he gels with Cherki further reinforces that Phil's football brain is absolutely elite, but largely ineffective when nobody else is on that wavelength.

Who knows what's really going on - but what I do believe is that we will reap the rewards from sticking with him through thick and thin - whatever he's going through now, as he nears the 2nd half of his career, he's likely going through major adaptations of his own to play himself back into form, and it will come.

[Sparklehorse]

Form is temporary, class is permanent. He's been out of form for too long for all of us to be relaxed about it. He'll know it more than anyone, and the only way he'll get back to the class player we all know he is, is with the support of the players, coaching staff and the fans. He, when he's on song will be a major asset to England in the WC, but he has to get there and at the moment, he's nowhere near the squad. As in all sports elite performance is down to ability, which we know he's got in abundance, and confidence which has obviously departed for whatever reason. We need him at his best and the only way he'll get his confidence back is by performing on the pitch when he gets his opportunities. So come on Phil, sort your head out..

[PeterParker]

Form is temporary, class is permanent. He's been out of form for too long for all of us to be relaxed about it. He'll know it more than anyone, and the only way he'll get back to the class player we all know he is, is with the support of the players, coaching staff and the fans. He, when he's on song will be a major asset to England in the WC, but he has to get there and at the moment, he's nowhere near the squad. As in all sports elite performance is down to ability, which we know he's got in abundance, and confidence which has obviously departed for whatever reason. We need him at his best and the only way he'll get his confidence back is by performing on the pitch when he gets his opportunities. So come on Phil, sort your head out..

One of the best things that could happen is for him to miss the WC squad.
Maybe that will wake him up.