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Re: Football Media

Postby Scatman » Tue Sep 06, 2022 11:02 am

Dimples wrote:
Original Dub wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11182125/Man-City-costliest-squad-world-Man-United-Chelsea-completing-three.html


City are number1 spenders on squad with add-ons?

Let us manipulate the figures by:

1. ignoring player sales.
2. boost the spend by including unsubstantiated add-ons.
3. no start date, no end date means we can exclude players who have left, for ex, Pogba, Lukaku, Di Maria (£240M)
4. ignore signing on fees, agent fees, etc... therefore, we exclude Ronaldo.
5. don't give a breakdown of the figures, just make sure City come top of te pile.

Garbage article at many levels.


My understanding of the article and the report it is based on, is that they have calculated the cost to each club of purchasing the players who are in their current squad.

Why would they include the cost of players who aren't in the squad (for example Lukaku or Di Maria) when working out the cost of the current squad?

Why would they include receipts for the sales of players who aren't in the current squad when working out the cost of the current squad?
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Re: Football Media

Postby johnny crossan » Tue Sep 06, 2022 12:07 pm

Scatman wrote:
Dimples wrote:
Original Dub wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11182125/Man-City-costliest-squad-world-Man-United-Chelsea-completing-three.html


City are number1 spenders on squad with add-ons?

Let us manipulate the figures by:

1. ignoring player sales.
2. boost the spend by including unsubstantiated add-ons.
3. no start date, no end date means we can exclude players who have left, for ex, Pogba, Lukaku, Di Maria (£240M)
4. ignore signing on fees, agent fees, etc... therefore, we exclude Ronaldo.
5. don't give a breakdown of the figures, just make sure City come top of te pile.

Garbage article at many levels.


My understanding of the article and the report it is based on, is that they have calculated the cost to each club of purchasing the players who are in their current squad.

Why would they include the cost of players who aren't in the squad (for example Lukaku or Di Maria) when working out the cost of the current squad?

Why would they include receipts for the sales of players who aren't in the current squad when working out the cost of the current squad?
the trouble with the CIES Football Observatory is that it is essentially a propaganda outlet for the cartel clubs funded by UEFA of course.
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Re: Football Media

Postby Dimples » Tue Sep 06, 2022 12:14 pm

johnny crossan wrote:
Scatman wrote:
Dimples wrote:
Original Dub wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11182125/Man-City-costliest-squad-world-Man-United-Chelsea-completing-three.html


City are number1 spenders on squad with add-ons?

Let us manipulate the figures by:

1. ignoring player sales.
2. boost the spend by including unsubstantiated add-ons.
3. no start date, no end date means we can exclude players who have left, for ex, Pogba, Lukaku, Di Maria (£240M)
4. ignore signing on fees, agent fees, etc... therefore, we exclude Ronaldo.
5. don't give a breakdown of the figures, just make sure City come top of te pile.

Garbage article at many levels.


My understanding of the article and the report it is based on, is that they have calculated the cost to each club of purchasing the players who are in their current squad.

Why would they include the cost of players who aren't in the squad (for example Lukaku or Di Maria) when working out the cost of the current squad?

Why would they include receipts for the sales of players who aren't in the current squad when working out the cost of the current squad?
the trouble with the CIES Football Observatory is that it is essentially a propaganda outlet for the cartel clubs funded by UEFA of course.


My understanding of the article is the same as yours.
My problem with the article is that it spins a false narrative about City being the biggest spenders in the PL.
IMO this is deliberate i.e. lets keep spinning the narrative that City blow money, ruin football, destroy the traditional transfer infrastructure, etc...
Technically the article is probably correct (current squad value) but it does not reflect the actual spend by each club.

For ex, MU spent £90M on Pogba who left on a free. That £90M is not included in the current MU squad value.
City spend £100M for Grealish and this is included in the current MC squad value.
City player sales this summer brought in £140M - not included.
MU player sales brought in £10M - not included.

Therefore, if you want to give an accurate account of a club's spending, using the above figures: MC +£40M and MU -£80M
If you take the criteria used by the article then MC have the most expensive squad with £100M and MU have the cheapest with £0M.

So you can have a headline like:
MC have the most expensive squad (which is misleading) and MC splash more cash than MU and Chelsea (which is misleading) OR
MC balance the books (which is accurate) and MU and Chelsea inflate the transfer market through irresponsible debt funded spending (accurate)
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Re: Football Media

Postby City64 » Wed Sep 07, 2022 5:42 am

Fuck that right wing pile of shite Daily Fail .
Robbie Savage fucking loves us and BT suddenly swooning over us ………

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Re: Football Media

Postby Indianablue » Wed Sep 07, 2022 5:48 am

The only issue i have with the article is that it includes a guesstimate 'add -ons' allowance which shouldnt be part of the equation. If the article is talking about the cost of assembling the squad then probably safe to just include purchase price of squad member plus his salary cost. So many things could be included toward the true cost of assembling a squad, manager salary, coaching staff, background staff, training facilities.
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Re: Football Media

Postby Nigels Tackle » Wed Sep 07, 2022 7:48 am

they should the cost of coaching staff in this calc...

check this out! https://www.thesouthafrican.com/lifesty ... mber-2022/

absolutely mental! or maybe, i have no idea what support staff at pl teams get paid???

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lifted this from here : https://futbol.si.com/news/highest-paid ... rdiola-top

Highest Paid Premier League Managers
(according to The Sun)

1. Pep Guardiola (Manchester City) – £19m
2. Jurgen Klopp (Liverpool) – £16m
3. Antonio Conte (Tottenham) – £15m
4. Brendan Rodgers (Leicester) – £10m
5. Mikel Arteta (Arsenal) – £8.3m
6. Ralf Rangnick (Man United)– £8m
7. Marcelo Bielsa (Leeds) – £8m
8. Thomas Tuchel (Chelsea) – £7m
9. Ralph Hasenhuttl (Southampton) – £6m
10. Frank Lampard (Everton) – £5m
11. David Moyes (West Ham) – £5m
12. Steven Gerrard (Aston Villa) – £5m
13. Roy Hodgson (Watford) – £4.5m
14. Patrick Vieira (Crystal Palace) – £4m
15. Sean Dyche (Burnley) – £3.5m
16. Eddie Howe (Newcastle) – £3m
17. Bruno Lage (Wolves) – £2.5m
18. Graham Potter (Brighton) – £2m
19. Dean Smith (Norwich) – £1.5m
20. Thomas Frank (Brentford) – £1.5m


£2m/year to coach attacking play and positioning is fucking nuts!!
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Re: Football Media

Postby nottsblue » Wed Sep 07, 2022 11:42 am

Nigels Tackle wrote:they should the cost of coaching staff in this calc...

check this out! https://www.thesouthafrican.com/lifesty ... mber-2022/

absolutely mental! or maybe, i have no idea what support staff at pl teams get paid???

***edit***

lifted this from here : https://futbol.si.com/news/highest-paid ... rdiola-top

Highest Paid Premier League Managers
(according to The Sun)

1. Pep Guardiola (Manchester City) – £19m
2. Jurgen Klopp (Liverpool) – £16m
3. Antonio Conte (Tottenham) – £15m
4. Brendan Rodgers (Leicester) – £10m
5. Mikel Arteta (Arsenal) – £8.3m
6. Ralf Rangnick (Man United)– £8m
7. Marcelo Bielsa (Leeds) – £8m
8. Thomas Tuchel (Chelsea) – £7m
9. Ralph Hasenhuttl (Southampton) – £6m
10. Frank Lampard (Everton) – £5m
11. David Moyes (West Ham) – £5m
12. Steven Gerrard (Aston Villa) – £5m
13. Roy Hodgson (Watford) – £4.5m
14. Patrick Vieira (Crystal Palace) – £4m
15. Sean Dyche (Burnley) – £3.5m
16. Eddie Howe (Newcastle) – £3m
17. Bruno Lage (Wolves) – £2.5m
18. Graham Potter (Brighton) – £2m
19. Dean Smith (Norwich) – £1.5m
20. Thomas Frank (Brentford) – £1.5m


£2m/year to coach attacking play and positioning is fucking nuts!!

Potter could bag himself a rather hefty pay rise soon!!
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Re: Football Media

Postby johnny crossan » Wed Sep 07, 2022 12:07 pm

BBC NW reporting Family Man "is confident he'll clear his name" - the blatant bias of Banned Roan & his US cartel masters is utterly sickening. Ever heard this kind of 'protests innocence' reporting from them about Mendy?
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Re: Football Media

Postby Bournemouthcityfan » Wed Sep 07, 2022 7:28 pm

Daily mail is utter lies in everything it prints just ignore it
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Re: Football Media

Postby City64 » Wed Sep 07, 2022 7:55 pm

Bournemouthcityfan wrote:Daily mail is utter lies in everything it prints just ignore it

Beautiful post and 100% correct
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Re: Football Media

Postby City64 » Fri Sep 09, 2022 7:19 am

Trevor Sinclair will be sacked today after his disgusting tweet last night . He will never work again . What a cess pitt twitter can be , no wonder the world is in the state it is .
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Re: Football Media

Postby stupot » Fri Sep 09, 2022 7:37 am

City64 wrote:Trevor Sinclair will be sacked today after his disgusting tweet last night . He will never work again . What a cess pitt twitter can be , no wonder the world is in the state it is .

I put it on the other thread mate. As you say- absolutely disgusting.
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Re: Football Media

Postby Outcast » Fri Sep 09, 2022 7:59 am

City64 wrote:Trevor Sinclair will be sacked today after his disgusting tweet last night . He will never work again . What a cess pitt twitter can be , no wonder the world is in the state it is .



Just read his tweet, Well, I did say he was moron in previous threads. The whole country is united in mourning and the twit is causing racial division at precious time. Wtf was that all about! Just weird
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Re: Football Media

Postby Nigels Tackle » Fri Sep 09, 2022 8:10 am

stupot wrote:
City64 wrote:Trevor Sinclair will be sacked today after his disgusting tweet last night . He will never work again . What a cess pitt twitter can be , no wonder the world is in the state it is .

I put it on the other thread mate. As you say- absolutely disgusting.


great to see so many blue ticks calling him out
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Re: Football Media

Postby Nigels Tackle » Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:33 am

City64 wrote:Trevor Sinclair will be sacked today after his disgusting tweet last night . He will never work again . What a cess pitt twitter can be , no wonder the world is in the state it is .


he's posted an 'apology' and deleted his twitter account

surprisingly, he didn't reference:
- mental health issues
- counselling
- black lives matter
- oppression
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Re: Football Media

Postby Nickyboy » Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:05 pm

What did he say?
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Re: Football Media

Postby johnny crossan » Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:16 pm

Nickyboy wrote:What did he say?

Read the Sack Race thread.
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Re: Football Media

Postby john@staustell » Fri Sep 09, 2022 6:09 pm

He's exposed himself as an immature idiot who is actually obsessed with the colour of people's skin and a certain paranoia

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Re: Football Media

Postby Harry Dowd scored » Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:19 am

All over media here in Spain about Nunez being a huge mistake by Klopp, apparently dippers staff are dismayed at his “ mental ability “ and general attitude issues, be interesting how this develops - :


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El mayor error de Jürgen Klopp
El técnico fichó a Darwin Núñez por 100 millones de euros, récord en la historia del Liverpool, y ahora, tras la derrota 4-1 en Nápoles, en el club sostienen que el jugador no tiene nivel
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Re: Football Media

Postby Dimples » Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:36 am

Harry Dowd scored wrote:All over media here in Spain about Nunez being a huge mistake by Klopp, apparently dippers staff are dismayed at his “ mental ability “ and general attitude issues, be interesting how this develops - :


LIGA DE CAMPEONES
El mayor error de Jürgen Klopp
El técnico fichó a Darwin Núñez por 100 millones de euros, récord en la historia del Liverpool, y ahora, tras la derrota 4-1 en Nápoles, en el club sostienen que el jugador no tiene nivel


Would be surprised if that were true tbh. Sounds like clickbait.
Liverpool will have done their due diligence before paying out £85M. Issues with attitude, ability to learn and adapt, flexibility, etc... Would have been easy to ascertain.
At the beginning of August the same media where asking who would score the most goals, Haaland or Nunez.
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