Does Southgate hate Foden?

[Mase]

Southgate = nonce

[Dameerto]

As much as I'd like to see Foden start, think the hype got to his head a little (stupid hair dye), maybe trying too hard. To be fair Grealish didn't come on too, don't think it's an agenda.
He'll get his chance

I agree, we just have an embarassment of riches in Foden's position(s). Foden didn't help himself by being a bit below his usual standard when he started (though Southgate's group stage tactics were probably the main reason for this).

[Dimples]

No.
You could level that charge at a number of players Southgate had not played consistently.

It will be interesting to see the lineup for Denmark.
I expect him to get it wrong.
Denmark are a very good outfit, if England play like they did in the first half tonight, they will be out.

[zuricity]

Ukraine were surprisingly poor defensively yesterday. It says it all that a useless cnut like Henderson can score his first goal for England in so many, many years and a header as well !

Kane gets fed in two games with great assists and he's suddenly the best thing since sliced bread ?

The Danes will bring a well drilled team to Wembley and we will need Sterlings speed.

gifted three goals Southgate makes stupid substitutions.

I think the semi will go to penalties.

[Crossie]

Foden is a level ahead of all the other England players, 2 levels ahead of some of them.

If you put Foden in the Spain team he’d be the tournaments best player.

England are doing well, tight at the back but I’m just not convinced by the midfield. Germany could have gone either way and 3 goals against Ukraine were headers.

Fuck I’m a grumpy sod

[Harry Dowd scored]

Slouthgate is a puppet on a string, yes man, influenced by the social media and rag infested pundits a complete cunt

[Two's Kompany]

Slouthgate is a puppet on a string, yes man, influenced by the social media and rag infested pundits a complete cunt

I'm not Southgate's biggest fan by any stretch, but to say he's 'influenced by the social media and rag infested pundits' is bollox.
Had he been influenced by social media and pundits Grealish would definitely have started, as would Sancho (before last night).
He started Sterling, who had been woefully out of form with us, despite 'calls' from plenty of others to drop him.
He played Saka because Foden was on a yellow. Saka played well and kept his place.
Foden's biggest problem he's playing with technically inferior players, to those he plays with at club level, and for a manager who doesn't know how to get the best out of him so far.

[Pretty Boy Lee]

His total contribution in two games was hit the post right? Can’t blame Southgate, who I’m no massive fan of, for that.

[Dubciteh]

His total contribution in two games was hit the post right? Can’t blame Southgate, who I’m no massive fan of, for that.

I dont think thats fair. He played one and 2/3s of the game, was always on the front foot looked the most dangerous on the pitch for that time imo. Sterling got the goal but outside that for the time phil was on the pitch was poor. Whats mount done? At least with phil his attitude is to create and drive forward. Maybe hes not rigid enough for gareth southgate.

[salford city]

His total contribution in two games was hit the post right? Can’t blame Southgate, who I’m no massive fan of, for that.

I dont think thats fair. He played one and 2/3s of the game, was always on the front foot looked the most dangerous on the pitch for that time imo. Sterling got the goal but outside that for the time phil was on the pitch was poor. Whats mount done? At least with phil his attitude is to create and drive forward. Maybe hes not rigid enough for gareth southgate.

Foden is technically excellent and should start more often than not. He is struggling in a system that does not play to his strengths. Personally, would like to see him in there with Mount and Grealish but that would mean losing the extra DM and thats not going to happen. Alternatively, Sancho on one side and Foden on the other may tear it up.
Note to Mr Southgate, the kid has just held down a place all season and in most important chumps league games under Baldie. Now a lot of us don't trust Baldie, but we all agree that he pisses all over you

[City64]

Basically Southgate hasn’t got a fucking clue how to get the best out of Foden because Southgate is too tactically defensive minded , the same applies with Grealish. Now imagine if this media darling cunt actually had a clue how to pick an attacking team with the talent he has available????
Nah the guy is a championship level manager being dressed up as god .
We might actually win it even with Southgate holding us back we even have home advantage, it’s impossible to fuck this up ……..

[Harry Dowd scored]

Basically Southgate hasn’t got a fucking clue how to get the best out of Foden because Southgate is too tactically defensive minded , the same applies with Grealish. Now imagine if this media darling cunt actually had a clue how to pick an attacking team with the talent he has available????
Nah the guy is a championship level manager being dressed up as god .
We might actually win it even with Southgate holding us back we even have home advantage, it’s impossible to fuck this up ……..

Totally agree with this post, I posted similar and got told it was bollox, so we all have opinions about this useless cunt, for the record we have a good chance of winning this in spite of Slouthgate, basically because there is not a great team left in it, good teams but all beatable.

[Bluemoon4610]

Basically Southgate hasn’t got a fucking clue how to get the best out of Foden because Southgate is too tactically defensive minded , the same applies with Grealish. Now imagine if this media darling cunt actually had a clue how to pick an attacking team with the talent he has available????
Nah the guy is a championship level manager being dressed up as god .
We might actually win it even with Southgate holding us back we even have home advantage, it’s impossible to fuck this up ……..

Totally agree with this post, I posted similar and got told it was bollox, so we all have opinions about this useless cunt, for the record we have a good chance of winning this in spite of Slouthgate, basically because there is not a great team left in it, good teams but all beatable.

No great team, agreed, but one great manager who's tactical know-how pisses all over Slouthgate. That'll be the difference, imo.

[Harry Dowd scored]

Basically Southgate hasn’t got a fucking clue how to get the best out of Foden because Southgate is too tactically defensive minded , the same applies with Grealish. Now imagine if this media darling cunt actually had a clue how to pick an attacking team with the talent he has available????
Nah the guy is a championship level manager being dressed up as god .
We might actually win it even with Southgate holding us back we even have home advantage, it’s impossible to fuck this up ……..

Totally agree with this post, I posted similar and got told it was bollox, so we all have opinions about this useless cunt, for the record we have a good chance of winning this in spite of Slouthgate, basically because there is not a great team left in it, good teams but all beatable.

No great team, agreed, but one great manager who's tactical know-how pisses all over Slouthgate. That'll be the difference, imo.

I think you may have a valid point on the manager.

[Beefymcfc]

There was a good point made on radio that Pep has transformed the English game which has brought England to this point. We all know what that change is (and that Southgate has spoken with Pep on how to use utilise the players we have) and it maybe that Southgate does not quite know how to utilise Foden in this team, just like he is unsure with a few of the players who haven’t had has much time.

Foden is part of England’s future, he’s just waiting for them to catch up.

[Pretty Boy Lee]

His total contribution in two games was hit the post right? Can’t blame Southgate, who I’m no massive fan of, for that.

I dont think thats fair. He played one and 2/3s of the game, was always on the front foot looked the most dangerous on the pitch for that time imo. Sterling got the goal but outside that for the time phil was on the pitch was poor. Whats mount done? At least with phil his attitude is to create and drive forward. Maybe hes not rigid enough for gareth southgate.

Hate to say it but looking dangerous isn’t enough after a 0-0 against inferior opposition. Sterling looks dangerous for us every game he plays, but this season his stats let him down and get got little sympathy on here.

After two games the manager felt he needed to make a change to get the goals he’s needed to survive. At that point Sterling had scored and Foden hadn’t. Say what you will about other possible changes but I don’t feel Foden can feel too hard done by this time. It’s not like he put lots of good chances on a plate for others either. Looking dangerous and being productive are two different things and results don’t suggest Souhthgate got it too wrong so far.

[PrezIke]

Nah, just lots of players he wants to give a bit of the experience to, we have a strong squad with a great unity rather than club factions that hindered us in the past . . . imo

My thoughts as well mate.

During the Totally Football Show pod this past weekend Daniel Storey did well to define the term "pragmatic," which has been used to describe Southgate.

Storey described Southgate's pragmatism as not about being boring and focused on defending, but about employing decisions that fit from an advantage or match situation standpoint with tactics, rotations and substitutions.

He correctly stated that football is a "weakest link sport" so against Ukraine, once it was identified after the injury to their defender Krivstof in the 1st half this left them without a like for like substitution (they brought a winger on) it was logical to utilize those high crosses which led to 2 of the goals that came in the 2nd half.

[Harry Dowd scored]

I don’t buy this adulation of Slouthgate one bit, seems to me a false narrative is being built after the event to support anything positive during the games.
I believe our success is built on pure happenstance, for instance if Mueller scores, which he should have done we are looking at a totally different outcome, Slouthgate has got lucky, it will not last forever.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Foden doesn't have natural position in Southgate's system. Unfortunately.

[PrezIke]

Foden doesn't have natural position in Southgate's system. Unfortunately.

I suspect the issue is more about competition for places in the squad and the lack of seniority/experience Foden has.

In match 1 Foden played mostly on the right with Sterling on the left, and Kane was working pretty well. He almost scored and was lively.

However, against Croatia and Scotland (other than some moments early on) Foden was mostly invisible.

Southgate also isn't so beholden to positions as are other successful modern managers (read: Pep)

Again, the immensely stiff competition for places and game time in the squad is due to the extremely talented players sitting on the bench.

Southgate has to manage this situation and has to keep everyone happy. How can he do that? Be clear with the players about how things work and follow suit.

He might have said to those younger/less experienced players like Foden/Grealish/Sancho:

"You either are getting a chance or will get your chance. Remain patient, but remember you must perform every game. We unfortunately can't afford to wait given the competition."

"This isn't just about seniority as notice how Rashford is on the bench. I can only assure my most reliable players play each game right now. Yes, in the attack it's Kane, he's the captain (maybe he said Raz) because they've earned my trust. Show me you can do that and you will play."

"If Raz doesn't do well that's a place" (maybe why Foden is also playing less given Sterling's form!)

Otherwise that means Foden's place was most up for grabs.

In short, if you're Foden/Grealish/Sancho, given you aren't so senior in age or the team, if you have a bad performance you risk getting dropped.

It's funny we're on about Foden, but Sancho who is CLEARLY more reputable of a player (I have to admit that) didn't even play 1 minute until the last match and we're whinging on about Foden who started 2 games!

Watch Foden get time next match. Foden knows training may be a way back in. So show it to Southgate (I feel he knows this and is used to that from Pep) and he's in. Watch.