Ted Hughes wrote:Bollocks.
It was because Mancini had been pissing about with 3 at the back pre season & wanted that clown Nastasic in the side, so he could switch it, & because he bought him on the recomendation of his mate. ( And JL had grassed him up for shouting at people to get back in position just before Aguero scored).
There are pretty much no cbs anywhere near as good as Vince. But he plays at his best when he trusts & understands his cb partner.
carl_feedthegoat wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:Bollocks.
It was because Mancini had been pissing about with 3 at the back pre season & wanted that clown Nastasic in the side, so he could switch it, & because he bought him on the recomendation of his mate. ( And JL had grassed him up for shouting at people to get back in position just before Aguero scored).
There are pretty much no cbs anywhere near as good as Vince. But he plays at his best when he trusts & understands his cb partner.
What a crock of shite.
Ted Hughes wrote:carl_feedthegoat wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:Bollocks.
It was because Mancini had been pissing about with 3 at the back pre season & wanted that clown Nastasic in the side, so he could switch it, & because he bought him on the recomendation of his mate. ( And JL had grassed him up for shouting at people to get back in position just before Aguero scored).
There are pretty much no cbs anywhere near as good as Vince. But he plays at his best when he trusts & understands his cb partner.
What a crock of shite.
It's all true.
In fact I seem to remember giving you the stats re defensive partnerships at the time.
carl_feedthegoat wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:carl_feedthegoat wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:Bollocks.
It was because Mancini had been pissing about with 3 at the back pre season & wanted that clown Nastasic in the side, so he could switch it, & because he bought him on the recomendation of his mate. ( And JL had grassed him up for shouting at people to get back in position just before Aguero scored).
There are pretty much no cbs anywhere near as good as Vince. But he plays at his best when he trusts & understands his cb partner.
What a crock of shite.
It's all true.
In fact I seem to remember giving you the stats re defensive partnerships at the time.
I never give out stats and if I did I would probably have made them up....in fact Id definitely have made them up.
iwasthere2012 wrote:carl_feedthegoat wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:carl_feedthegoat wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:Bollocks.
It was because Mancini had been pissing about with 3 at the back pre season & wanted that clown Nastasic in the side, so he could switch it, & because he bought him on the recomendation of his mate. ( And JL had grassed him up for shouting at people to get back in position just before Aguero scored).
There are pretty much no cbs anywhere near as good as Vince. But he plays apnt his best when he trusts & understands his cb partner.
What a crock of shite.
It's all true.
In fact I seem to remember giving you the stats re defensive partnerships at the time.
I never give out stats and if I did I would probably have made them up....in fact Id definitely have made them up.
When put on the spot, 4 out of every 5 people do that.
Sister of fu wrote:Chelsea never change their back 4 and prob have the best DM in the league patrolling in front. They also have a excellent goalkeeper no where near his prime. Chopping and changing just doesn't work and I think our defence proves that. Gone backwards in this department.
nottsblue wrote:Sister of fu wrote:Chelsea never change their back 4 and prob have the best DM in the league patrolling in front. They also have a excellent goalkeeper no where near his prime. Chopping and changing just doesn't work and I think our defence proves that. Gone backwards in this department.
Bob on. A settled back 6 is what we need
Pretty Boy Lee wrote:I think an often overlooked part of the problem is pellers attacking approach.
How many times have top teams defenders been accuse of being shit on here in the last 10 years? Barca, madrid, the scum all had their defenders labeled shit while their teams were at their best. When teams bomb loads of players forwards and dominate posession they are prone to getting caught on the counter or 1v1/2v2 etc in transition and that's when reckless challenges occur. That and like keepers if they have fuck all to do for half a game it's easy to switch off.
It's a lot more noticeable when we do fuck all up the other end, which sadly has been a lot more often this season than last.
Sister of fu wrote:Chelsea never change their back 4 and prob have the best DM in the league patrolling in front. They also have a excellent goalkeeper no where near his prime. Chopping and changing just doesn't work and I think our defence proves that. Gone backwards in this department.
Ted Hughes wrote:Pretty Boy Lee wrote:I think an often overlooked part of the problem is pellers attacking approach.
How many times have top teams defenders been accuse of being shit on here in the last 10 years? Barca, madrid, the scum all had their defenders labeled shit while their teams were at their best. When teams bomb loads of players forwards and dominate posession they are prone to getting caught on the counter or 1v1/2v2 etc in transition and that's when reckless challenges occur. That and like keepers if they have fuck all to do for half a game it's easy to switch off.
It's a lot more noticeable when we do fuck all up the other end, which sadly has been a lot more often this season than last.
Very true, but that manifsets itself as goals like that herbert scored for Stoke & Lukaku getting 1v1s in our box though.
The goals Arsenal scored weren't down to our attacking approach, they were just purely down to shit defending. We actually coped with most of the situations when we were legitimately caught out.
Also while I fully agree that the attacking style puts extra pressure on the defenders, I tend to think that the teams you mention have actually genuinely had a lot of shit defenders (not all, but a lot) and their attacking flair has masked it. In the rags case, their reputation intimidating teams into missing easy chances, pretty much every game (happening every week now even when they have 10 in their own half). It will be interesting to see how this new, bright, confident Arsenal plays vs the rags. If they don't miss a load of open nets then roll over & die, it will be a first.
They won their cup final this year.
you think everyone who takes points of us treats it as a cup final and dont try against the other teams, which is stupid talk. Even though we are probably the best team over the last 3-4 years, other professional players still probably see taking points at old trafford or anfield as a bigger coup than at the etihad.
Cocacolajojo wrote:you think everyone who takes points of us treats it as a cup final and dont try against the other teams, which is stupid talk. Even though we are probably the best team over the last 3-4 years, other professional players still probably see taking points at old trafford or anfield as a bigger coup than at the etihad.
I watched Sky for the game yesterday, and EVERYONE said that this was a very unusal performance from Arsenal. They upped their game big time for us.
FA cup winners 2006 wrote:Cocacolajojo wrote:you think everyone who takes points of us treats it as a cup final and dont try against the other teams, which is stupid talk. Even though we are probably the best team over the last 3-4 years, other professional players still probably see taking points at old trafford or anfield as a bigger coup than at the etihad.
I watched Sky for the game yesterday, and EVERYONE said that this was a very unusal performance from Arsenal. They upped their game big time for us.
The reason the score was what it was yesterday was exactly what Pellegrini said, we didnt create anything with all the possession we had, we gave arsenal hope and they were able to cling on. We had plenty of opportunities and got into position but the final ball was never there, both clichy and navas had very poor games delivering that final ball and seemed happy just to win corners (which was pointless).
Arsenal sat very deep and let us come at them but there was no heroic defending. At the end of the game, we had aguero, dzeko, jovetic, lampard and silva on the pitch and still created nothing, it happens some games. I thought jovetic got on the ball alot but took up positions you would expect silva to be in. sergio got 90 mins which he needed but was largely a passenger for the game, which is expected but Navas and Clichy killed the game for me, this was a game perfectly suited for kolorov
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