I think your point reinforces what I said In my last paragraph, that I'd have considerably more sympathy in this situation for the Melbourne fans who didn't have a choice in who owned their football club. I reckon there is every chance that this has a bearing on why we are not interested in Villa during our current striker crisis.
But the NYC fans signed up knowing that their new club were part of CFG, and it really just shows their naivity about 'soccer' that like Ted says, they think this is all a one way street and that they were going to get all this handed to them on a plate for free without anything flowing back across the Atlantic in our direction.
I get their point, I just feel it's totally naive of them to think that NYCFC are a stand alone entity, and that when it all comes down to priorities, unless they accept that Mcfc will always be the first priority for the group, they are destined to be disappointed.
Alternatively they can look at the positive things having mcfc on their side can do for them, and begin to see that both sides can benefit from sharing resources, and that in all likelihood in the long run when it comes to loans and player swaps, mcfc need this particular one, but NYC will get a choice of several top young talents each year, for ever....something no other club in the MLS has
Im_Spartacus wrote:
But the NYC fans signed up knowing that their new club were part of CFG, and it really just shows their naivity about 'soccer' that like Ted says, they think this is all a one way street and that they were going to get all this handed to them on a plate for free without anything flowing back across the Atlantic in our direction.
I get their point, I just feel it's totally naive of them to think that NYCFC are a stand alone entity, and that when it all comes down to priorities, unless they accept that Mcfc will always be the first priority for the group, they are destined to be disappointed.
Alternatively they can look at the positive things having mcfc on their side can do for them, and begin to see that both sides can benefit from sharing resources, and that in all likelihood in the long run when it comes to loans and player swaps, mcfc need this particular one, but NYC will get a choice of several top young talents each year, for ever....something no other club in the MLS has
BmoreBlue wrote:There was an NYCFC Supporters twitter account openly rooting against MCFC yesterday - when I called him out for being childish and petulant, he blocked me.
As an American who supports both MCFC and NYCFC, I'm a little disappointed in how MCFC has handled this - convinced that if they had announced Lampard would provide cover for Yaya, and Lamps would go back prior to the start of the season, all parties would be fine. But the reaction of some of the NYCFC supporters is just ridiculous. Some are now calling for Reyna to cancel Lampard's contract and sign someone to replace him "who actually wants to be here."
Beefymcfc wrote:Interesting to hear that it was a season long loan rather than an extension. Does that mean that he was always earmarked to stay with us unless he was shit/we didn't need him?
If so, it looks like we had Maureen/Chelsea off and Frank prefers to be fighting for the PL/CL with us than hit the other side of the pond. Maybe this was a cunning way of not alienating the Chelsea fans and a backdoor option for Frank.
PrezIke wrote:Im_Spartacus wrote:
But the NYC fans signed up knowing that their new club were part of CFG, and it really just shows their naivity about 'soccer' that like Ted says, they think this is all a one way street and that they were going to get all this handed to them on a plate for free without anything flowing back across the Atlantic in our direction.
I get their point, I just feel it's totally naive of them to think that NYCFC are a stand alone entity, and that when it all comes down to priorities, unless they accept that Mcfc will always be the first priority for the group, they are destined to be disappointed.
Alternatively they can look at the positive things having mcfc on their side can do for them, and begin to see that both sides can benefit from sharing resources, and that in all likelihood in the long run when it comes to loans and player swaps, mcfc need this particular one, but NYC will get a choice of several top young talents each year, for ever....something no other club in the MLS has
well put. in fact, almost exactly what i was saying to a mate of mine yesterday.
the long term the relationship will be certainly be beneficial to nycfc and the fans should know that.
funny as i live in nyc, and i don't really know any serious fans. how can you, as we haven't even had a game yet! c'mon now.
i can understand those who paid for season tickets hoping to see lampard there, but it's also a bit naive to assume there is no way this could have happened for the reasons you alluded to. i was a bit shocked by the news (and that maybe he returns manchester the next season), but i think this is also very much about what lampard himself wants. so to place fault at CFG exclusively is acting like he has no say in the matter.
think he would prefer to play the entire inaugural season at a club in a lower league that is going to play in a baseball stadium, or for a team that is in real competition for top prizes that has the best facilities in the world?
carl_feedthegoat wrote:I think to defuse any animosity we should maybe send them some youngsters for free.....on our payroll.
If that doesn't appease them then fuck them......
Ted Hughes wrote:Lampard deserves this.
I can fully understand people who paid out money to see Frank Lampard, are disappointed. If they paid mainly to see Frank, & they want their money back, fair enough.
What I can't accept is any of these people being portrayed as downtrodden, loyal supporters, who have been shafted. Some seem to be portraying themselves as such. They are customers, not supporters. They can become supporters, when they start supporting the club (not Frank Lampard) & stick with it.
Some sections seem to be actual enemies of City who somehow believe that NYC is some entirely unrelated entity, created by Sheikh Mansour for them, rather than a new club owned by his flagship club. This idea needs nipping in the bud & City fans here should stop agreeing with them & giving their argument validity. NYC is it's own club, but it is still under City's umbrella & is supposed to compliment our operation, not oppose it.
Once it is really up & running & competing seriously, then if we pinch a player of theirs from them in the middle of it, I will be on their side if they kick up fuck about it.
The Count in his garbled way I think, is trying to spell out that as NYC is part of City & MCFC is the flagship, it is in their interests, for Frank Lampard to help us, as we are the people who will be backing them. A strong & successful MCFC is in the interests of NYC. The rag types who are glamming on need to know that.
Once it does kick off, then City need to put some weight behind it. Probably the 2nd & 3rd season will see more of that than the 1st. Same in Oz & Japan. Early days.
Chinners wrote:Feck NYCFC and their supporters, City are the only club I worry about so of course he should (and is) staying, the MLS sucks anyway
PrezIke wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:Lampard deserves this.
I can fully understand people who paid out money to see Frank Lampard, are disappointed. If they paid mainly to see Frank, & they want their money back, fair enough.
What I can't accept is any of these people being portrayed as downtrodden, loyal supporters, who have been shafted. Some seem to be portraying themselves as such. They are customers, not supporters. They can become supporters, when they start supporting the club (not Frank Lampard) & stick with it.
Some sections seem to be actual enemies of City who somehow believe that NYC is some entirely unrelated entity, created by Sheikh Mansour for them, rather than a new club owned by his flagship club. This idea needs nipping in the bud & City fans here should stop agreeing with them & giving their argument validity. NYC is it's own club, but it is still under City's umbrella & is supposed to compliment our operation, not oppose it.
Once it is really up & running & competing seriously, then if we pinch a player of theirs from them in the middle of it, I will be on their side if they kick up fuck about it.
The Count in his garbled way I think, is trying to spell out that as NYC is part of City & MCFC is the flagship, it is in their interests, for Frank Lampard to help us, as we are the people who will be backing them. A strong & successful MCFC is in the interests of NYC. The rag types who are glamming on need to know that.
Once it does kick off, then City need to put some weight behind it. Probably the 2nd & 3rd season will see more of that than the 1st. Same in Oz & Japan. Early days.
ted, i can also testify as a native new yorker that as you may know we have some sport fans in the area who are rag-like in their arrogance. ironically enough, the yankees and their support base are well known to be the representation of this (i used to be a supporter).
you laid it out properly. they are customers, not supporters just yet.
i do plan to be a supporter of nycfc, and am very happy that the relationship between the clubs exists. of course, i am highly biased, sure, but those complaining could certainly benefit from a little perspective.
phips wrote:Chinners wrote:Feck NYCFC and their supporters, City are the only club I worry about so of course he should (and is) staying, the MLS sucks anyway
this
Hutch's Shoulder wrote:The Third Rail sound suspiciously raggish to me (or radish as the spell check thinks).
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