Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:If it was to come about, would you want City to play in a 20 team Euro Superleague?
Genuine question open to anybody who cares to offer an opinion
john68 wrote:Peter,
Not one bit of any of this has anything to do with football. "The playing of football, is merely coincidental to the business of Manchester United" (direst quote from Roland Smith, the then head of the Rags pre Glazer parent company.
None of the new owners (including our own) bought clubs because of their love for football. They bought their clubs for their own reasons. We just happened to get very lucky in that our new owners had a different motive other than short term greed.
Please forget footballl, or what happens on the pitch. none of any of it applies. It is solely about money, global branding, greed and profiteering.
The only reason that the likes of the rags and Arsenal have spent big recently, is because their position at the trough has been challenged.
Original Dub wrote:When it's all done away with over the next season or so, will anyone be there to ensure those who knew it was a scam, invented to buy time and nothing else, be held accountable?
Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:Original Dub wrote:When it's all done away with over the next season or so, will anyone be there to ensure those who knew it was a scam, invented to buy time and nothing else, be held accountable?
No
Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:If it was to come about, would you want City to play in a 20 team Euro Superleague?
Genuine question open to anybody who cares to offer an opinion
I'd rather hang up my boots. It's become tedious playing Bayern Munich every year as it is, the idea of playing them into perpetuity makes me want to vomit.
iwasthere2012 wrote:I think a European top 20 only league with no premiership would be a step too far for me. I Struggle with a lot of what the modern game offers as it is. The hope that City bring this whole corrupt Cartel driven mess down, is something that keeps my interest.
I want us to win the Champions League from within their one sided set of rules and really f@ck them up.
What happens after that though is anyone's guess.
Will we become what we hate.
I'd love to see a new order with the likes of West Ham and Villa etc in with a chance of real investment.......
But us still winning of course, playing beautiful football.
Happy New Year.
Mikhail Chigorin wrote:iwasthere2012 wrote:I think a European top 20 only league with no premiership would be a step too far for me. I Struggle with a lot of what the modern game offers as it is. The hope that City bring this whole corrupt Cartel driven mess down, is something that keeps my interest.
I want us to win the Champions League from within their one sided set of rules and really f@ck them up.
What happens after that though is anyone's guess.
Will we become what we hate.
I'd love to see a new order with the likes of West Ham and Villa etc in with a chance of real investment.......
But us still winning of course, playing beautiful football.
Happy New Year.
That's too frightening to contemplate.
Ted Hughes wrote:
What happens on the pitch, determines how much income the clubs get long term & how their brand spreads around the world. If we keep getting all the best players & winning stuff & they don't, then eventually our brand will dwarf theirs.
If it didn't, there would be no need for ffp. The rags are big enough to ride it for longer than the others over here, but Arsenal are already in trouble from us, Liverpool are financially but not yet fully regarding fanbase. I would be interested to see what percentage of new fans support Liverpol in 20 years, if they don't win stuff.
There were a lot of kids running around playing football wearing Barca shirts in Norway last time I looked. Most of their parents will be rags & Liverpool fans.
john68 wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:
What happens on the pitch, determines how much income the clubs get long term & how their brand spreads around the world. If we keep getting all the best players & winning stuff & they don't, then eventually our brand will dwarf theirs.
If it didn't, there would be no need for ffp. The rags are big enough to ride it for longer than the others over here, but Arsenal are already in trouble from us, Liverpool are financially but not yet fully regarding fanbase. I would be interested to see what percentage of new fans support Liverpol in 20 years, if they don't win stuff.
There were a lot of kids running around playing football wearing Barca shirts in Norway last time I looked. Most of their parents will be rags & Liverpool fans.
Apologies for the delayed reply Ted.
Common sense should dictate that what you say is correct Mate and does at most levels of football outside those globally branded clubs. However,a deeper look at some of the new ownership models would suggest that results are only one factor amongst many.
You mentioned long term,but I did specify that many of these new models of ownership are looking only at maximising short term profit. Some are asset stripping and dare I say it but there is a suggestion in some quarters that some football clubs are actually being used as a money laundering front.
A look at the Glazers, who have used the ragsto blled them as dry as they can reasonably do so, whilst maintaining a much lower level of investment in the club until post Moyes, when their position was endangered..
It is no coincidence that post Dean at Arsenal, their player investment has dropped to buying talented you that a lower price = maintaining 4th position = remaining it the CL pot 1 = easy group stages and so the cycle continued.The bleating about paying for a stadium is abject nonsense, considering they have a silent major (Russian?) investor who they won't allow near the board.
The Fenway \Group stated that they only bought the Scousers because they had been told about the Premier League's FFP. Funny that at that time,it had never been mentioned or proposed.
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