lets all have a disco wrote:Joleon isnt fast and IMHO him and Vinny were one of our best partnerships,Vinny would cover Hummels lack of real pace.
If you're intelligent you can read the game.
lets all have a disco wrote:Joleon isnt fast and IMHO him and Vinny were one of our best partnerships,Vinny would cover Hummels lack of real pace.
If you're intelligent you can read the game.
Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:I've gone for Managala, as he doesn't look like he's running in treacle all the time.
Beefymcfc wrote:Also, how many of us have actually watched Mangala on a regular basis, who can really judge on his attributes apart from watching Youtube or reading Wiki?
I'll openly admit that I'd never really heard of him until he was linked with us last year.
Wooders wrote:Klopp has apparently called it a "bullshit story" in a presser - hummells isnt for sale
Beefymcfc wrote:Foreverinbluedreams wrote:I don't disagree with the point made about reading the game or that Hummels is an top class defender but just feel having watched both that Mangala would be a better fit for us.
Can I ask Beefy, have you seen much of Mangala?
No, not much at all mate, as mentioned above. I have no issues with Mangala and from his photo he looks like a thoroughly likeable chap but when it comes down to it many on here have always put experience and class over talent.
Mangala looks a decent talent and looks like he has a better chance than most to make it at the top level but if I had a choice of one of the best CBs in the world partnering Vinnie or one of the possible best CBs in the world then I know who I'd choose.
I also believe that Hummels would make an excellent foil for Vinnie who likes to get forward when needed, covering that area and backing up his CB partner no end.
As I said, it's hypothetical as I think the Rag link is tenuous at best, it's just the thought that Manny would be seen as a better option over a player of Hummels ability.
Mangala must have shown real class to those who regularly watch him, that's all I can say.
Beefymcfc wrote:Foreverinbluedreams wrote:I don't disagree with the point made about reading the game or that Hummels is an top class defender but just feel having watched both that Mangala would be a better fit for us.
Can I ask Beefy, have you seen much of Mangala?
No, not much at all mate, as mentioned above. I have no issues with Mangala and from his photo he looks like a thoroughly likeable chap but when it comes down to it many on here have always put experience and class over talent.
Mangala looks a decent talent and looks like he has a better chance than most to make it at the top level but if I had a choice of one of the best CBs in the world partnering Vinnie or one of the possible best CBs in the world then I know who I'd choose.
I also believe that Hummels would make an excellent foil for Vinnie who likes to get forward when needed, covering that area and backing up his CB partner no end.
As I said, it's hypothetical as I think the Rag link is tenuous at best, it's just the thought that Manny would be seen as a better option over a player of Hummels ability.
Mangala must have shown real class to those who regularly watch him, that's all I can say.
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:Beefymcfc wrote:Foreverinbluedreams wrote:I don't disagree with the point made about reading the game or that Hummels is an top class defender but just feel having watched both that Mangala would be a better fit for us.
Can I ask Beefy, have you seen much of Mangala?
No, not much at all mate, as mentioned above. I have no issues with Mangala and from his photo he looks like a thoroughly likeable chap but when it comes down to it many on here have always put experience and class over talent.
Mangala looks a decent talent and looks like he has a better chance than most to make it at the top level but if I had a choice of one of the best CBs in the world partnering Vinnie or one of the possible best CBs in the world then I know who I'd choose.
I also believe that Hummels would make an excellent foil for Vinnie who likes to get forward when needed, covering that area and backing up his CB partner no end.
As I said, it's hypothetical as I think the Rag link is tenuous at best, it's just the thought that Manny would be seen as a better option over a player of Hummels ability.
Mangala must have shown real class to those who regularly watch him, that's all I can say.
This is where the debate falls down for me Beefy, you're calling for objectivity, but how can you be objective if you haven't seen one of the two players who's merits for our squad/team are being debated?
Beefymcfc wrote:Foreverinbluedreams wrote:Beefymcfc wrote:Foreverinbluedreams wrote:I don't disagree with the point made about reading the game or that Hummels is an top class defender but just feel having watched both that Mangala would be a better fit for us.
Can I ask Beefy, have you seen much of Mangala?
No, not much at all mate, as mentioned above. I have no issues with Mangala and from his photo he looks like a thoroughly likeable chap but when it comes down to it many on here have always put experience and class over talent.
Mangala looks a decent talent and looks like he has a better chance than most to make it at the top level but if I had a choice of one of the best CBs in the world partnering Vinnie or one of the possible best CBs in the world then I know who I'd choose.
I also believe that Hummels would make an excellent foil for Vinnie who likes to get forward when needed, covering that area and backing up his CB partner no end.
As I said, it's hypothetical as I think the Rag link is tenuous at best, it's just the thought that Manny would be seen as a better option over a player of Hummels ability.
Mangala must have shown real class to those who regularly watch him, that's all I can say.
This is where the debate falls down for me Beefy, you're calling for objectivity, but how can you be objective if you haven't seen one of the two players who's merits for our squad/team are being debated?
Objective or subjective, the debate is being had. There have been many replies and I'm guessing that most have not seen Manny play on a regular basis but still have an opinion on the matter.
The whole debate seems to revolve around Hummels pace yet we've been playing, and winning (cups and leagues), with 2/3 players who don't have any real pace whatsoever.
Put it one way, I'd prefer Hummels not going to the Rags as I think he's the perfect CB for them and would marshall them back to the top 4 without a doubt.
Beefymcfc wrote:To be fair, Lescott had to be ditched. He'd turned shit over the course of the off season and that back-header put him in a position that could've changed every Blues lives.
You do make me laugh Ted, Hummels is just a shit Joleon Lescott. Pity really, I thought Lescott was class.
Slow, shit-cunt? I smiled.
Ted Hughes wrote:Beefymcfc wrote:To be fair, Lescott had to be ditched. He'd turned shit over the course of the off season and that back-header put him in a position that could've changed every Blues lives.
You do make me laugh Ted, Hummels is just a shit Joleon Lescott. Pity really, I thought Lescott was class.
Slow, shit-cunt? I smiled.
Yes another fucking over rated slow cb like Piquet Vertonghen & most of the other wankers who keep being touted as good signings for City. If we sign any of these cunts, it's because we can't get anyone who is any good, not because they are what we need.
Reading the comments on here, I don't know what game some of you are watching. Even the fucking WORLD CUP FINAL dispayed the problems Hummels has.
Did none of you fucking watch it ??? The biggest danger to Germany was people just kicking the ball past
Hummels and legging it. Why some of you lot didn't fucking see that is beyond me, but some did, & they are the ones who are talking sense when they talk about Hummels & City. Sign him= change the whole plan of play for the forseeable future.
And once again Lescott, one of the best defenders ever to play for City, gets disrespected. Very few people legged it past Lescott & when they did, it would only be very quick players & only happen once in game. If he had EVER had a game for City like Hummels did for Germany, he would have got fucking dogs abuse on here.
blues2win wrote:This whole thread was based on a false premise that Hummels was available and at 16 million. Therefore Txiki is a complete idiot at not snapping him up. Absolute bollocks from the Press. If the scum want him they'll have to pay a huge sum out so the argument that Mangala is poor value is utter rubbish. Txiki and co know far more about Mangala than anyone on this forum why can't people have a bit of faith in them?
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