Bluedj wrote:I think with the new additions to the squad and the track record with Sergio, I can see us playing 4 1 4 1 with Yaya playing as a deep second striker, Fernando as holding defensive midfielder. This should allow us to wrap up Sergio if his fitness/injury levels are similar to last season
Talking of injuries both Jack Rodwell & Stevan Jovetic have played two half games and are not injured.......
Slim wrote:Sure we do.
Hart
Zabs-Kompany-Mangala-Kolarov
Yaya-Fernando-Fred
Aguero-Dzeko-Jovetic
But you tell Nasri and Silva you're sitting them down for a new formation.
I think the 4-4-1-1 will be default again with Nasri and Silva playing inside and overlapping fullbacks marauding the wings.
Mikhail Chigorin wrote:Slim wrote:Sure we do.
Hart
Zabs-Kompany-Mangala-Kolarov
Yaya-Fernando-Fred
Aguero-Dzeko-Jovetic
But you tell Nasri and Silva you're sitting them down for a new formation.
I think the 4-4-1-1 will be default again with Nasri and Silva playing inside and overlapping fullbacks marauding the wings.
Mmmm.......
Whilst there are still ongoing concerns about the sustained fitness of Aguero and the potential injury brittleness of Jovetic (coupled, latterly, with the worrying and lengthy loss of form of Negredo) we only have one consistently available striker we can rely upon.
Moreover, with regard to the midfield three, I don't think Yaya fits easily into that location and role, given the suspect nature of the defensive side to his game and it might be that, of the players we can currently call upon, Garcia ought to be a 'better', albeit unthinkeable, option for that more disciplined requirement and set of tasks in that area of the field.
Ultimately and after all is said and done, how can we ever contemplate omitting Silva and Nasri who, both collectively and individually, provide a subtle and creative aspect to the team :- leaving those two out would be like cutting off both of your arms to spite your fingers.
Given these considerations, IMHO I don't think we have the squad balance and the type of players required to play, as I said previously, a 'genuine' 4-3-3 formation; hence my thoughts that it would be 4-2-3-1 instead. However, my concern with this is that, although we should be tighter defensively, who else would there be to step up to the plate to score a fair number of goals to supplement those provided by Yaya and Dzeko ??
I still think we need another striker.
Slim wrote:I think we can realistically only sustain one sick note striker, although Nasri and Yaya have both acted as second striker to good effect. If Jovetic can stay fit I think we have enough, anyone want to take that bet though?
Wonderwall wrote:I really liked Argentina's flexibility to switch from a 4-4-2 to a 3-5-2, dropping Mascherano into the CB position allowing Zaba and Rojo to bomb on. They didnt use the wing backs as effectively as they could have but it was very fluid and certainly caused teams problems.
We could also adopt that Strategy utilising either Garcia or Fernando allowing Zaba/Sagna and Clichy/Kolarov to bomb on Whilst Vinny and MDM/Mangala sit in the back 3. out problem might be that we would operate a 4-2-3-1 which could mean we change shape to a 3-3-3-1..... I am off for a lie down, my head hurts!
DoomMerchant wrote:Wonderwall wrote:I really liked Argentina's flexibility to switch from a 4-4-2 to a 3-5-2, dropping Mascherano into the CB position allowing Zaba and Rojo to bomb on. They didnt use the wing backs as effectively as they could have but it was very fluid and certainly caused teams problems.
We could also adopt that Strategy utilising either Garcia or Fernando allowing Zaba/Sagna and Clichy/Kolarov to bomb on Whilst Vinny and MDM/Mangala sit in the back 3. out problem might be that we would operate a 4-2-3-1 which could mean we change shape to a 3-3-3-1..... I am off for a lie down, my head hurts!
Am I the only one who thinks that our shape is actually so much more dynamic than a set of numbers can imply?
Cheers
clippo22 wrote:I definitely think we could play the traditional 433 formation. And I actually think it would suit yaya more. Would give him more freedom to get forward and then when he's slowly ambling back we have the cover of 2 other CMs. Fernando/Garcia would be the ones that very rarely get forward. I could see them dropping in alongside the CBs whilst were in possession to allow the fullbacks to really bomb on. The front 3 could be any of aguero, dzeko, beast, jovetic, silva, nasri or navas. All of who I would expect to move around and swap positions, making it really hard for defenders to pick them up. As already said though I expect pellegrini to keep playing 4222.
Goaters 103 wrote:Toure can be pushed up top next season, as he cant be arsed chasing back anyway and his effort level may dip too after this summers bollocks.
Formation will change depending on opponent and whether we are home/away.
Id wager Fernandinho and Fernando play CL Away games alongside each other whilst Clichy will Left Back more away from home, Kolarov at home when we dominate possession.
Still think 4-2-3-1 best suits our personnel and if we were playing a pick our best XI and formation for a CL game Id go with ...
Hart
Zab
Komp
Mangala
Kolarov
Ferna
Fernando
Nasri
Ya Ya
Silva
Aguero
Then the following Saturday for a Prem game against Swansea for example we can flip flop the team and go with
Hart/Cabellero
Sagna
Komp
Demich
Clichy
Milner
Ferna/Fernando
Navas
Ya Ya
Jovetic
Dzeko
Ted Hughes wrote:DoomMerchant wrote:Wonderwall wrote:I really liked Argentina's flexibility to switch from a 4-4-2 to a 3-5-2, dropping Mascherano into the CB position allowing Zaba and Rojo to bomb on. They didnt use the wing backs as effectively as they could have but it was very fluid and certainly caused teams problems.
We could also adopt that Strategy utilising either Garcia or Fernando allowing Zaba/Sagna and Clichy/Kolarov to bomb on Whilst Vinny and MDM/Mangala sit in the back 3. out problem might be that we would operate a 4-2-3-1 which could mean we change shape to a 3-3-3-1..... I am off for a lie down, my head hurts!
Am I the only one who thinks that our shape is actually so much more dynamic than a set of numbers can imply?
Cheers
No, that's kind of what I was referring to re Zucculini moving around but he doesn't seem to he on the list.
The shape when we lose the ball is more important imo & that still needs plenty of work.
Dameerto wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:DoomMerchant wrote:Wonderwall wrote:I really liked Argentina's flexibility to switch from a 4-4-2 to a 3-5-2, dropping Mascherano into the CB position allowing Zaba and Rojo to bomb on. They didnt use the wing backs as effectively as they could have but it was very fluid and certainly caused teams problems.
We could also adopt that Strategy utilising either Garcia or Fernando allowing Zaba/Sagna and Clichy/Kolarov to bomb on Whilst Vinny and MDM/Mangala sit in the back 3. out problem might be that we would operate a 4-2-3-1 which could mean we change shape to a 3-3-3-1..... I am off for a lie down, my head hurts!
Am I the only one who thinks that our shape is actually so much more dynamic than a set of numbers can imply?
Cheers
No, that's kind of what I was referring to re Zucculini moving around but he doesn't seem to he on the list.
The shape when we lose the ball is more important imo & that still needs plenty of work.
It's the way the game's been going for a while now Mr Doomster. We saw it under Mancini as well as Pellegrini where our shape/formation depends on what phase of play we're in. Under Pellegrini there is way more importance put on central midfield (with Mancini it was put more on the fullbacks) - it's the hinge that opens and closes all the doors for us.
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