Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

[michaelcityfan]

Is that the end of it or will Wenger or some smartarse like him try to appeal against us demanding a tougher sanction or whining that we took their place in the CL?

[Beefymcfc]

Is that the end of it or will Wenger or some smartarse like him try to appeal against us demanding a tougher sanction or whining that we took their place in the CL?

This is where we'll see the real test. If we have a challenge then it will be down to a change in regulations. If some body, say Arsenal, push it through then it will become quite clear that it is the old G14 carrying on the cartel.

At this point UEFA are free and it's direct challenge that would have to be challenged (without exception) in acourt of law. It would most certainly be deemed a breach of any law and therefore bring the house of cards down.

We want to be seen to be complying. They want the same.

[Ted Hughes]

Is that the end of it or will Wenger or some smartarse like him try to appeal against us demanding a tougher sanction or whining that we took their place in the CL?

This is where we'll see the real test. If we have a challenge then it will be down to a change in regulations. If some body, say Arsenal, push it through then it will become quite clear that it is the old G14 carrying on the cartel.

At this point UEFA are free and it's direct challenge that would have to be challenged (without exception) in acourt of law. It would most certainly be deemed a breach of any law and therefore bring the house of cards down.

We want to be seen to be complying. They want the same.

So we can't challenge UEFA in court, but Arsenal can challenge us, & win ?

I'll tell you what; if they win that one, they fucking deserve to fine us more. And from being mates of UEFA, they suddenly bring the whole shoddy business of ffp into the public eye, whilst City settle to avoid causing trouble.

I hope they go for it. Then we can see the cartel in action & the whole shebang will come under scrutiny, & it will be their fault, not ours.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

I'm heartbroken over this. If Dupont's challenge fails then today the door has been closed on the dreams of all football fans everywhere (apart from about 20 clubs throughout Europe).

[blues2win]

The truth is we can all understand why the Club has done what it did and see the sense of it. To be honest though most of us are a little disappointed that Soriano didn't go after Platini with all legal guns blazing. That's not the Sheikh's style though and we owe him so much we can hardly complain. The club imply that the 21 ceiling for the CL squad is no biggie because we made do with 21 this season.so I presume there's no added priplblem on the home grown front compared to this campaign.

Soriano is actually saying that the only real penalty is the 20 million. They dispute the fairness of that but will settle for it comfortably enough while our master plan to keep the Cups flowing rolls forward. Happy days!

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

I'm heartbroken over this. If Dupont's challenge fails then today the door has been closed on the dreams of all football fans everywhere (apart from about 20 clubs throughout Europe).

Yep.
I'm pleased we have not been battered by them, can understand why we want to stay onside, but FFP stinks the joint out and I would love somebody to blow it out of the water. It would have been nice if it had been us.
Our confidence in moving to sustainability does make a mockery of all the hand wring from Uefa though, and shows it can be done. What was the problem?
Well we all know the real answer to that.

[Beefymcfc]

This annoys me beyond conception. makes my brain shake, but we've become a real player within the realms of European football.

I know e need it but for my money, they could fuck right off. Short sighted, I know.

[Ted Hughes]

If we'd needed to fight it, we would have done it.

But let's not forget that, other than us, Villa, Fulham ? Every cunt in our country voted to have it brought in here too.

So fuck the lot of 'em. We're sorted (as we were always going to be) they are doomed to mediocrity for the rest of their existence unless Dupont wins.

[john@staustell]

The thing is, this may stop us signing a big player for now, but it will put us in a really strong financial position. As long as the commercial deals keep coming and we keep winning. In that respect they may all come to regret it in the long run!

I suspect the suspended bit was what we negotiated. The transfer limited what we negotiated with!

[john@staustell]

CL squad:

1. Hart
2. Backup gk
3. Zaba
4. Vk
5. Demich
6. Clichy
7. Kolarov
8. Nasti
9. Center half
10. Right back
11. Garcia
12. Fernandinho
13. Yaya
14. Navas
15. Milner
16. Nasri
17. Silva
18. Aguero
19. Dzeko
20. Negredo
21. Jovetic

That means only 2 "free spots" (and that's not including Micah and Rodwell) which are probably both defenders. But i don't know about the young player rule thing.

List B (will become 1st Jan 92 I expect):

18.16 Each club is entitled to register an unlimited number of players on List B
during the season. The list must be submitted by no later than 24.00 CET on
the day before the match in question.
18.17 A player may be registered on List B if he is born on or after 1 January 1991
and has been eligible to play for the club concerned for any uninterrupted
period of two years since his 15th birthday by the time he is registered with
UEFA. Players aged 16 may be registered on List B if they have been
registered with the participating club for the previous two years without
interruption.

[Dameerto]

This is also interesting:

- The wage bill of the whole club (playing and non-playing staff) for 2014-15 will need to remain at the same level as that of 2013-14 season. It is important to note that additional bonuses for performances can be paid outside this number. Importantly, in reality, the existing MCFC business plan sees a natural decline in that wage bill.

I read somewhere that when we extended Yaya's contract we reduced his basic wage but offered performance bonuses, so it is probably the way we were going anyway.

We can thank the Spaniards - when they took over we started shifting to incentivised contracts instead of front loaded ones.

[Blue Since 76]

I'm heartbroken over this. If Dupont's challenge fails then today the door has been closed on the dreams of all football fans everywhere (apart from about 20 clubs throughout Europe).

Unfortunately, most of football, fans included, have been too jealous to see it. They've all had a dig and said we'd be fined or kicked out etc, but few have realised what it meant for their club.

To ensure the financial security of clubs, maybe we should put forward that only clubs who are debt free can take part in the FA Cup or win the Premier League. After all, all anyone wants is to avoid another Leeds, so let's ban debt.

[Blue Since 76]

Anybody see the reports on Blatter basically saying that they got it wrong regarding Qatar hosting the WC? Apart from him stating the bleeding the obvious I wonder if Qatar are now pushing back against the governing bodies regarding their sponsorship of PSG?

Heard Lord Treesman (however you spell it) on the radio last night. He thinks Blatter is getting ready to move it to another country. Everyone talks about moving it to winter, but apart from the impact on European football, it would clash with the winter Olympics and the Super Bowl which would cause problems with TV companies and sponsors.

Additionally, someone from the American bid is now part of FIFAs anti corruption department and is digging like mad over it and there are rumours of a federal case in America. Treesman believes the outcome will be moving the world cup to America.

Where that leaves Qatar who are busy building stadiums is anyone's guess, but I suspect this could all get messy. Good.

[michaelcityfan]

Unfortunately, most of football, fans included, have been too jealous to see it. They've all had a dig and said we'd be fined or kicked out etc, but few have realised what it meant for their club.

To ensure the financial security of clubs, maybe we should put forward that only clubs who are debt free can take part in the FA Cup or win the Premier League. After all, all anyone wants is to avoid another Leeds, so let's ban debt.

no debt? No rags no arse no scouse. City versus chelski in every final hilarious.

[Ted Hughes]

All the 'smaller' clubs across all the leagues in Europe should have got together when this was announced & forced UEFA to omit the rule about investment.

I'm struggling to understand why they didn't & indeed why the clubs in the Prem actually voted to bring it in. It seems difficult to believe they are all fucking stupid, so I can only imagine that all the owners are just looking to consolidate their own positions, owning mid table financially sound clubs, rather than trying to improve their clubs & push toward the top level.

Seems the fans have been totally shafted & they ARE too jealous & stupid to realise it.

I wonder what happens when the mid table clubs' fans do all realise how this works though ? No dream of ever improving; do you still buy a season ticket every year ?

[Goaters 103]

You have it spot on Ted.

The likes of Everton, Villa, Newcastle, Stoke etc voting for FFP was akin to them signing their own death warrant.

FFP ensures that though Lerner wants to sell up there is little or no incentive for a new buyer to come in, given Uefa and the PL are dictating what they can and cant spend.

We are lucky that we got into the cartel before the ladder was pulled away, but these other teams are condemned to mediocrity for oblivion now.

[Plain Speaking]

It would be good if our owners could provide some backing for Dupont in his FFP challenge.

[Beefymcfc]

It's quite simple Ted, the lesser clubs don't really have a say as the top echelon of the ECA would just put it across that it's their league and it's them who bring the money in.

My thinking of all this is two-fold:

1. To prevent others from hijacking a league that they feel they've grown, meaning that they can continue to pull in the lions share of the money.

2. With increasing debt at the majority of top clubs, it was time to rein in the expenses paid out to agents and curtail the lucrative fees and wages that players are getting.

Our own FFP rules take it one step further for all of the old Sky 4 by insisting that only a small percentage of the new TV deal can go towards player expenditure, meaning that the money stays in their pocket and not the people who actually bring us the entertainment. A point to note is that each of Sky 4 hold a lot of debt, in one way or another, and it's them who need to clear it to ensure future profitability.

I think our statement says everything us Blues need to know and really paints a picture of how the G14 operate. We've liased and cooperated all the way through this process and been open and upfront with where we are at. The fact that we believed we'd complied yet then went onto fail shows that they are willing to change the way they regulate just to ensure they keep control of their competition.

It stinks to high heaven. We know it, they know, and now the rest of the world knows it. The biggest part though is that our owners know it, and that's where it counts going forward. You don't just piss-off somebody of his stature without expecting repercussions, repercussions that we may not see directly, but will definately be there in the margins.

[Ted Hughes]

But the 'big' clubs can't function without having an opposition, so all of the 'smaller' clubs have the power to reign them in.

They didn't vote for it in the Prem because they HAD to, they CHOSE to!

[Beefymcfc]

But the 'big' clubs can't function without having an opposition, so all of the 'smaller' clubs have the power to reign them in.

They didn't vote for it in the Prem because they HAD to, they CHOSE to!

You honestly believe that the smaller clubs have the power?