Platini: No Ban For Failing FFP This Time Around

[Blue Since 76]

It's strange that quite a few usual 'hostiles' seem to have suddenly started coming out on our side.

It's as if the penny has suddenly dropped & they've realised what ffp is actually about rather than what they were told it's about.

It's also interesting to read some of the comments from fans. Arsenal, Utd etc fans mostly cheering it on & spewing venom, but quite a few lower league fans hoping City take it to court, as it effectively stops them from ever competing with the likes of Utd.

That actually leaves an even worse taste as it suggests the rags & Tarquins actually know full well that it's wrong but will cheer it on anyway, because it benefits them. The same mentality as their owners.

It's as if all the journalists have woken up at the same time, just years too late. There's little in the rules that stop someone backed by a hedge funding from bleeding a club dry, but investment is punished, meaning that clubs not on the gravy train now have zero chance of climbing aboard.

Fans have said that a European super league wouldn't work as there would be no promotion or relegation - welcome to the Champions League. And even if you do sneak in, expect a tough qualifier and impossible group to make sure you don't come back.

If we are given the same punishment as PSG then the only lesson is that we should have spent £300m on Messi and Tranny last summer and at least we'd have the income to pay the fine.

[Ted Hughes]

It's strange that quite a few usual 'hostiles' seem to have suddenly started coming out on our side.

It's as if the penny has suddenly dropped & they've realised what ffp is actually about rather than what they were told it's about.

It's also interesting to read some of the comments from fans. Arsenal, Utd etc fans mostly cheering it on & spewing venom, but quite a few lower league fans hoping City take it to court, as it effectively stops them from ever competing with the likes of Utd.

That actually leaves an even worse taste as it suggests the rags & Tarquins actually know full well that it's wrong but will cheer it on anyway, because it benefits them. The same mentality as their owners.

It's as if all the journalists have woken up at the same time, just years too late. There's little in the rules that stop someone backed by a hedge funding from bleeding a club dry, but investment is punished, meaning that clubs not on the gravy train now have zero chance of climbing aboard.

Fans have said that a European super league wouldn't work as there would be no promotion or relegation - welcome to the Champions League. And even if you do sneak in, expect a tough qualifier and impossible group to make sure you don't come back.

If we are given the same punishment as PSG then the only lesson is that we should have spent £300m on Messi and Tranny last summer and at least we'd have the income to pay the fine.

I remember reading an article about Sheikh Mansour & his party being disrespected by a night spot where he had a regular table. Within a year or so, he had built & owned the best & most popular place in town, with the top DJs etc & the other place was out of business.

If they play dirty with our owner, I doubt it will end well for them in the long run. And make no mistake, applying this kind of punishment to what City are doing would be playing very dirty indeed, malicious actually.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

An excellent piece by Paul Hayward in the Telegraph today. Have a look. I really could not put it any better. The majority of sensible UK journalists seem to be with us on this.

No need for people to have a look as was already reproduced on the previous page of this thread! Is indeed a worthy article...

In the car this morning, I was listening to Talkspite (I know, I know, shame upon me !) and Alan Brazil read out, word for word, almost the entire article. In his stuttering and stammering Scottish way, he was completely in favour of what the article was enunciating.

Had to stop the car and listen, as I was completely flabbergasted by this development.

Mind you, David Ginola who was in the studio as well, was defending both EUFA and his compatriot Platini and, unfortunately Alan Brazil wasn't either bright enough, or motivated enough to cut him to pieces over this.

Nevertheless, the perceived unfairness of FFP is now starting to gain momentum in some parts of the media and, if nothing else, it might eventually bring the English domestic equivalent of it into disrepute, in its own right.

[Ted Hughes]

What is worth mentioning from the financialfairplay.co.uk article is the worrying indication that the fine may be taken as a reduction in CL revenue rather than be a straight "fine." This would mean that it could, after all, impact future UEFA ffp assessment but also impact on domestic ffp too :(

The general consensus by those on Bluemoon who have looked into this, is that journos have asked UEFA specifically this question & they have confirmed that it is a seperate fine, paid by the owner & not a reduction in CL revenue. No information has been forthcoming as to where this money goes afterwards.

As they quite rightly point out, it is in fact, a bribe.

[Socrates]

What is worth mentioning from the financialfairplay.co.uk article is the worrying indication that the fine may be taken as a reduction in CL revenue rather than be a straight "fine." This would mean that it could, after all, impact future UEFA ffp assessment but also impact on domestic ffp too :(

The general consensus by those on Bluemoon who have looked into this, is that journos have asked UEFA specifically this question & they have confirmed that it is a seperate fine, paid by the owner & not a reduction in CL revenue. No information has been forthcoming as to where this money goes afterwards.

As they quite rightly point out, it is in fact, a bribe.

Yeah that was last week though, UEFA may have changed it since then...

[lets all have a disco]

It does seem a few journos have cottoned on to what cunts UEFA are,we can only hope they go after them with a lot of vigour.

[Ted Hughes]

What is worth mentioning from the financialfairplay.co.uk article is the worrying indication that the fine may be taken as a reduction in CL revenue rather than be a straight "fine." This would mean that it could, after all, impact future UEFA ffp assessment but also impact on domestic ffp too :(

The general consensus by those on Bluemoon who have looked into this, is that journos have asked UEFA specifically this question & they have confirmed that it is a seperate fine, paid by the owner & not a reduction in CL revenue. No information has been forthcoming as to where this money goes afterwards.

As they quite rightly point out, it is in fact, a bribe.

Yeah that was last week though, UEFA may have changed it since then...

Just looked a bit further & one suggestion is that it can either be paid by the owner, or paid through the books. If it is paid by the club through the books, it then becomes accountable for ffp.

So if it's in a brown envelope, behind the hot water pipes, it's alright.

If this is true, it's so fucking dodgy it's beyond even Sepp Blatter level. Owners contacting UEFA in person to pay 'fines' not going through the clubs' books ? I'm finding it hard to believe this now, but it is claimed this is a direct answer from UEFA.

[lets all have a disco]

What is worth mentioning from the financialfairplay.co.uk article is the worrying indication that the fine may be taken as a reduction in CL revenue rather than be a straight "fine." This would mean that it could, after all, impact future UEFA ffp assessment but also impact on domestic ffp too :(

The general consensus by those on Bluemoon who have looked into this, is that journos have asked UEFA specifically this question & they have confirmed that it is a seperate fine, paid by the owner & not a reduction in CL revenue. No information has been forthcoming as to where this money goes afterwards.

As they quite rightly point out, it is in fact, a bribe.

Yeah that was last week though, UEFA may have changed it since then...

Just looked a bit further & one suggestion is that it can either be paid by the owner, or paid through the books. If it is paid by the club through the books, it then becomes accountable for ffp.

So if it's in a brown envelope, behind the hot water pipes, it's alright.

If this is true, it's so fucking dodgy it's beyond even Sepp Blatter level. Owners contacting UEFA in person to pay 'fines' not going through the clubs' books ? I'm finding it hard to believe this now, but it is claimed this is a direct answer from UEFA.

Only in football.

Only in football.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

I think our owners have seriously underestimated just how degenerate football has become. From Suarez getting player of the year to gifting £50 million bungs to UEFA to play in their competitions, it really isn't a business for someone with a moral compass.

[Ted Hughes]

I think our owners have seriously underestimated just how degenerate football has become. From Suarez getting player of the year to gifting £50 million bungs to UEFA to play in their competitions, it really isn't a business for someone with a moral compass.

If some of the stuff reported about this is true, I'm going to be more excited by the prospect of fucking over the people involved, than winning their corrupt shithouse of a competition.

I'm wondering about the possibility of making little flags with words on, a few groups of people take in one each, then when they do the cheese thing with people holding up cards etc, a bunch hold up flags which spell out UEFA ARE CORRUPT.

Tbh, I don't think I'll even bother going to the CL games next season.

[Chinners]

I think it would be great if we challenge this and then get booted out next season. It would mean we could then go for Messi and whoever else we want as we will not be liable for FFP whilst out of the competition!! (its probably just dawned on Prattini which is why he back-tracked last week about banning clubs from his competition)

[mr_nool]

I think it would be great if we challenge this and then get booted out next season. It would mean we could then go for Messi and whoever else we want as we will not be liable for FFP whilst out of the competition!! (its probably just dawned on Prattini which is why he back-tracked last week about banning clubs from his competition)

You still have the domestic version to worry about.

[jimtolmie_tache]

Will people stop telling me to chill now? I think everyone's sticking their heads in the sand saying we can appeal our way out of this, challenge it in the courts, whatever. This is exactly what UEFA want us to do... keep the uncertainty going right through the summer, so that any good players thinking of joining us will steer clear, through fear about not being able to play in the CL, and even our existing stars, particularly Sergio, will start asking their agents what other options are on the horizon.

One person here said '21 players in the Champions League? No bother'. But 8 of those have to be 'locally trained', and 4 of the 'locally trained' have to be club trained. So basically, a squad of thirteen players who are any good, and with our injury record this season, that would be absolutely useless.

I'm trying to find the article now, but one piece I saw listed the players we would have to leave out of our CL squad - Kolarov, Garcia, Jovetic. For all the people criticising Garcia, I'd rather have him in there defending a lead that Rodwell. And Jovetic is the nearest thing we've got to Aguero. Aguero will almost certainly be injured for half the season, so our striking options would be limited to Dzeko and Negredo. Jovetic would be pretty pissed off and possibly leave... I'd be really sad about that, as I don't have high hopes for Aguero's long term future here (both in terms of injuries and these constant links with Spanish sides) and I think Jovetic will turn out to be a special player.

Honestly, I think we are fucked. Once they jemmy us out of that Champions League, it's gonna be virtualy impossible to get back in, and we won't see players the like of Silva and Yaya want to come to us in the next generation. We'll be a selling club again, like Everton, like Spurs, like Southampton.

Like the other guy said, the Big Red Teams have always got their 20-team no relegation breakway to fall back on as the nuclear option. 21st Century football at the top level is about Arsenal, Man United and Liverpool, and if you don't support one of those fuckers, the powers that be don't give a toss about you. They just want the expensive TV subscriptions of their plastic fans to watch their endless 'titanic struggles' with Bayern Munich and Real Madrid. This is modern football. Bollocks to it. Let's just win this league and shove it up their arses one more time. Beyond that though, I'm very pessimistic.

[jimtolmie_tache]

I think it would be great if we challenge this and then get booted out next season. It would mean we could then go for Messi and whoever else we want as we will not be liable for FFP whilst out of the competition!! (its probably just dawned on Prattini which is why he back-tracked last week about banning clubs from his competition)

Why would Messi want to play for a team not in the Champions League? That is what players talk about, think about. Whether we like it or not, we need to be in it, or we'll only be seen as a stepping stone to the clubs that are.

[john@staustell]

Will people stop telling me to chill now? I think everyone's sticking their heads in the sand saying we can appeal our way out of this, challenge it in the courts, whatever. This is exactly what UEFA want us to do... keep the uncertainty going right through the summer, so that any good players thinking of joining us will steer clear, through fear about not being able to play in the CL, and even our existing stars, particularly Sergio, will start asking their agents what other options are on the horizon.

One person here said '21 players in the Champions League? No bother'. But 8 of those have to be 'locally trained', and 4 of the 'locally trained' have to be club trained. So basically, a squad of thirteen players who are any good, and with our injury record this season, that would be absolutely useless.

I'm trying to find the article now, but one piece I saw listed the players we would have to leave out of our CL squad - Kolarov, Garcia, Jovetic. For all the people criticising Garcia, I'd rather have him in there defending a lead that Rodwell. And Jovetic is the nearest thing we've got to Aguero. Aguero will almost certainly be injured for half the season, so our striking options would be limited to Dzeko and Negredo. Jovetic would be pretty pissed off and possibly leave... I'd be really sad about that, as I don't have high hopes for Aguero's long term future here (both in terms of injuries and these constant links with Spanish sides) and I think Jovetic will turn out to be a special player.

Honestly, I think we are fucked. Once they jemmy us out of that Champions League, it's gonna be virtualy impossible to get back in, and we won't see players the like of Silva and Yaya want to come to us in the next generation. We'll be a selling club again, like Everton, like Spurs, like Southampton.

Like the other guy said, the Big Red Teams have always got their 20-team no relegation breakway to fall back on as the nuclear option. 21st Century football at the top level is about Arsenal, Man United and Liverpool, and if you don't support one of those fuckers, the powers that be don't give a toss about you. They just want the expensive TV subscriptions of their plastic fans to watch their endless 'titanic struggles' with Bayern Munich and Real Madrid. This is modern football. Bollocks to it. Let's just win this league and shove it up their arses one more time. Beyond that though, I'm very pessimistic.

But you really DO need to chill!

In 8 weeks it will be all forgotten about. We've never used more than 21 players in CL and you can have 300 in your B list if you want.

As for the fine, if it stands, we know it is wrong but the Sheik can just write a cheque and have done with it. Or we take it to legal and by the time it's all resolved our revenues will be so high it'll be a joke.

It is however geared to suppress players' earnings and I'm surprised the PFA dont take more of an interest.

[Hazy2]

Will people stop telling me to chill now? I think everyone's sticking their heads in the sand saying we can appeal our way out of this, challenge it in the courts, whatever. This is exactly what UEFA want us to do... keep the uncertainty going right through the summer, so that any good players thinking of joining us will steer clear, through fear about not being able to play in the CL, and even our existing stars, particularly Sergio, will start asking their agents what other options are on the horizon.

One person here said '21 players in the Champions League? No bother'. But 8 of those have to be 'locally trained', and 4 of the 'locally trained' have to be club trained. So basically, a squad of thirteen players who are any good, and with our injury record this season, that would be absolutely useless.

I'm trying to find the article now, but one piece I saw listed the players we would have to leave out of our CL squad - Kolarov, Garcia, Jovetic. For all the people criticising Garcia, I'd rather have him in there defending a lead that Rodwell. And Jovetic is the nearest thing we've got to Aguero. Aguero will almost certainly be injured for half the season, so our striking options would be limited to Dzeko and Negredo. Jovetic would be pretty pissed off and possibly leave... I'd be really sad about that, as I don't have high hopes for Aguero's long term future here (both in terms of injuries and these constant links with Spanish sides) and I think Jovetic will turn out to be a special player.

Honestly, I think we are fucked. Once they jemmy us out of that Champions League, it's gonna be virtualy impossible to get back in, and we won't see players the like of Silva and Yaya want to come to us in the next generation. We'll be a selling club again, like Everton, like Spurs, like Southampton.

Like the other guy said, the Big Red Teams have always got their 20-team no relegation breakway to fall back on as the nuclear option. 21st Century football at the top level is about Arsenal, Man United and Liverpool, and if you don't support one of those fuckers, the powers that be don't give a toss about you. They just want the expensive TV subscriptions of their plastic fans to watch their endless 'titanic struggles' with Bayern Munich and Real Madrid. This is modern football. Bollocks to it. Let's just win this league and shove it up their arses one more time. Beyond that though, I'm very pessimistic.

But you really DO need to chill!

In 8 weeks it will be all forgotten about. We've never used more than 21 players in CL and you can have 300 in your B list if you want.

As for the fine, if it stands, we know it is wrong but the Sheik can just write a cheque and have done with it. Or we take it to legal and by the time it's all resolved our revenues will be so high it'll be a joke.

It is however geared to suppress players' earnings and I'm surprised the PFA dont take more of an interest.

Barca have recently been banned from buying players for 18 months, within 2 weeks it was gone. A lot of rumours and leaks City will wreck Platini's plans when the time is right. I hope next week when we have the Double completed...

[Ted Hughes]

Will people stop telling me to chill now? I think everyone's sticking their heads in the sand saying we can appeal our way out of this, challenge it in the courts, whatever. This is exactly what UEFA want us to do... keep the uncertainty going right through the summer, so that any good players thinking of joining us will steer clear, through fear about not being able to play in the CL, and even our existing stars, particularly Sergio, will start asking their agents what other options are on the horizon.

One person here said '21 players in the Champions League? No bother'. But 8 of those have to be 'locally trained', and 4 of the 'locally trained' have to be club trained. So basically, a squad of thirteen players who are any good, and with our injury record this season, that would be absolutely useless.

I'm trying to find the article now, but one piece I saw listed the players we would have to leave out of our CL squad - Kolarov, Garcia, Jovetic. For all the people criticising Garcia, I'd rather have him in there defending a lead that Rodwell. And Jovetic is the nearest thing we've got to Aguero. Aguero will almost certainly be injured for half the season, so our striking options would be limited to Dzeko and Negredo. Jovetic would be pretty pissed off and possibly leave... I'd be really sad about that, as I don't have high hopes for Aguero's long term future here (both in terms of injuries and these constant links with Spanish sides) and I think Jovetic will turn out to be a special player.

Honestly, I think we are fucked. Once they jemmy us out of that Champions League, it's gonna be virtualy impossible to get back in, and we won't see players the like of Silva and Yaya want to come to us in the next generation. We'll be a selling club again, like Everton, like Spurs, like Southampton.

Like the other guy said, the Big Red Teams have always got their 20-team no relegation breakway to fall back on as the nuclear option. 21st Century football at the top level is about Arsenal, Man United and Liverpool, and if you don't support one of those fuckers, the powers that be don't give a toss about you. They just want the expensive TV subscriptions of their plastic fans to watch their endless 'titanic struggles' with Bayern Munich and Real Madrid. This is modern football. Bollocks to it. Let's just win this league and shove it up their arses one more time. Beyond that though, I'm very pessimistic.

Jesus Christ.



Point 1: It hasn't been confirmed that City have been fined ANYTHING yet, only rumours that PSG have been fined & that people expect, for some reason, that we will get a similar set of sanctions. Nothing has been confirmed or denied.

Point 2: The fine if it does exist, is payable over 3 years, & possibly can be paid from outside the club's books, ie costs us NOTHING.

Point 3: We have failed ffp on a THREE YEAR accounting system, where we lost something like 160 million quid. Our next set of accounts, according to Soriano, show us turning over in excess of FOUR HUNDRED MILLION POUNDS. That is MORE than Arsenal & Chelsea & 4 mil away from Bayern Munich, the next ffp accounting period we are one of the richest teams in Europe.

Point 4: We are just embarking on other ventures in places like USA which are absolutely certain to take that revenue up significantly in the coming years.

Point 5: We have not even built the Etihad Campus yet & realised the possibilities there, nor started to bring through any of the scores of potential young players we have at the club going down to U12 level. Some will play in our first team.

Point 6: There is a great big collar site around the Stadium which is yet to even begin development which will again be a huge money earner for the club.

Point 7: If we are restricted in our squad for a season, what fucking difference does it make ? We have only got out of the group once since we started in the CL & finished bottom under Mancini last year. A season of not getting out of the group will ruin us if it was to happen ? Nonsense.

Point 8: Our Champions League group may be easier next season as we are in a different pot, which may compensate for point 7.

Point 9: We are on the verge of potential title win, with a side which has rarely had its best 11 on the pitch all season. Not winning the Champions League has had not even the slightest effect on that. Nor would it ever.

Point 10: We will be at the top of this tree in a few years, not scrabbling to climb up the branches & we will be the team in the Premier League that the tv people & sponsors want to see. They are trying to slow us down so that they can stay with us; they know they have got no chance of stopping us. Even if they banned us for a season it would make no difference, just a brief postponement.

We are here to stay, whatever they try to do.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

Jesus Christ.

Point 1: It hasn't been confirmed that City have been fined ANYTHING yet, only rumours that PSG have been fined & that people expect, for some reason, that we will get a similar set of sanctions. Nothing has been confirmed or denied.

Point 2: The fine if it does exist, is payable over 3 years, & possibly can be paid from outside the club's books, ie costs us NOTHING.

Point 3: We have failed ffp on a THREE YEAR accounting system, where we lost something like 160 million quid. Our next set of accounts, according to Soriano, show us turning over in excess of FOUR HUNDRED MILLION POUNDS. That is MORE than Arsenal & Chelsea & 4 mil away from Bayern Munich, the next ffp accounting period we are one of the richest teams in Europe.

Point 4: We are just embarking on other ventures in places like USA which are absolutely certain to take that revenue up significantly in the coming years.

Point 5: We have not even built the Etihad Campus yet & realised the possibilities there, nor started to bring through any of the scores of potential young players we have at the club going down to U12 level. Some will play in our first team.

Point 6: There is a great big collar site around the Stadium which is yet to even begin development which will again be a huge money earner for the club.

Point 7: If we are restricted in our squad for a season, what fucking difference does it make ? We have only got out of the group once since we started in the CL & finished bottom under Mancini last year. A season of not getting out of the group will ruin us if it was to happen ? Nonsense.

Point 8: Our Champions League group may be easier next season as we are in a different pot, which may compensate for point 7.

Point 9: We are on the verge of potential title win, with a side which has rarely had its best 11 on the pitch all season. Not winning the Champions League has had not even the slightest effect on that. Nor would it ever.

Point 10: We will be at the top of this tree in a few years, not scrabbling to climb up the branches & we will be the team in the Premier League that the tv people & sponsors want to see. They are trying to slow us down so that they can stay with us; they know they have got no chance of stopping us. Even if they banned us for a season it would make no difference, just a brief postponement.

We are here to stay, whatever they try to do.

Huzzah!!

[Original Dub]

Any one who honestly thinks that a organisation run the UEFA is can be any match for businessmen like our owners must be off their fucking rockers.

You can all clearly see where we are going. The world can. And if these muppets think any proper court of law can't see it as well, they're also fucking lunatics.

Chill the fucking bones.

[DoomMerchant]

Any one who honestly thinks that a organisation run the UEFA is can be any match for businessmen like our owners must be off their fucking rockers.

You can all clearly see where we are going. The world can. And if these muppets think any proper court of law can't see it as well, they're also fucking lunatics.

Chill the fucking bones.

Word.